What comes after wokism? - Optimist thread

These subgroups are ALWAYS going to be fighting, and there's never going to be this big paradigm shift where they will suddenly all eat at the same table as brothers or whatever. I'm not saying it can't happen in a microcosm, in fact, it totally does, but as a matter of national policy?
I'll settle for doing what we can to replicate those microcosms and avoiding policy that makes things worse.

The last important bit, is that wokies have a pathological need to assert/impose themselves and their world-views onto other people and their lives. I think this is some kind of heritable trait, but it is the viral part of the Communist Mind Virus.
I agree 100% with this statement and most of your post. I think the first goal of an alternative to Wokism should be naming and restraining this aspect of human nature. Aim for minimum necessary moralism. "Good enough is good enough" should also be a tenet of post-Wokism. Utopianism is a big part of how we wound up in this mess.

Protestants in the 1600's and 1700's weren't too big on freedom of religion when they weren't the oppressed minority.
Tale as old as time.
 
Jailing "superpredators," crack dealers, and other violent criminals brought down crime across the board in black communities and surrounding areas. This is a fact. Soros DAs and judges have sadly reversed this trend.
It's a fact that proves my point. Blacks have never been held to the same standard as white people. They require special crime bills and initiatives to deal with their insane levels of criminality. They require lower standards in education. Schools faced lawsuits for putting too many blacks into special ed classes where they belong. The state of California banned IQ testing in this context because blacks failed so hard. This didn't start with Soros DA's a few weeks ago ago. This started immediately after the Civil Rights Act.

Just hold them to the same legal code as everyone else, and resist their attempts to erode others' civil liberties.
No. Communists go directly to jail.
 
What is the alternative? A Christian religious revival? Unlikely. Another all-encompassing ideology, like some twist on fascism or communism? Revamped 90s lowercase-L liberalism, with an acknowledgement of heritable racial differences and their impact on policy?

I prefer the latter. We tried going woke and it didn't work. Let's rewind to the last known-good version of America. Putting criminals in prison worked. Holding blacks and whites to equal standards worked. Tolerance for nonviolent communists, cults, and Nazis alike worked for nigh on 60 years. Per surveys collected by the New York Times and others, race relations as perceived by black Americans steadily improved to high point around the late 90s or early 2000s, and then started to decline.

This doesn't work though because blacks won't go along with it. Literally incapable as proven through the way that history has played out. There is no society where whites and blacks have peacefully integrated and remained in that state in a stable manner. It has never existed and there's no reason to think it ever will. Saying "we just didn't do it right last time, we'll get it right if we just try again!" is exactly the same as the "real communism has never been tried" meme.

As for what comes after wokism. That is a great question and I do not know because no one can know the future. Maybe it will be something that none of us can even imagine right now. Unfortunately the reality will probably be a lot more disappointing. Some possibilities:

--Total globohomo victory. Possibly the most depressing outcome, but unlikely I think. The cracks in the facade are already running pretty deep and it feels like the party really hasn't even started yet.
--A return to heckin' based traditional Christian conservative values. Wishful thinking.
--Balkanization. The best outcome that is at all realistic to pursue IMO. There are still decent communities that can exist in their own little bubbles if only they can find a way to detach themselves from the giant, all-consuming parasite that they are currently stuck to.
--A general decline into third world conditions, low trust, everything kind of sucks, politics is a perpetual cycle of tribal conflict and revenge. The most likely scenario imo, and only avoidable through balkanization (and even then, only for specific areas, a place like California is probably already doomed to this fate no matter what).
 
Blacks have never been held to the same standard as white people. They require special crime bills and initiatives to deal with their insane levels of criminality.
When a group commits disproportionate levels of crime it takes a disproportionate response to hold them accountable. The legal standard to which they are held accountable is, or ought to be, ultimately the same as for everyone else.
They require lower standards in education. Schools faced lawsuits for putting too many blacks into special ed classes where they belong. The state of California banned IQ testing in this context because blacks failed so hard.
These are all examples of bad policy based on worse principles that post-Wokism, whatever it is, should strive to avoid.
This doesn't work though because blacks won't go along with it. Literally incapable as proven through the way that history has played out. There is no society where whites and blacks have peacefully integrated and remained in that state in a stable manner. It has never existed and there's no reason to think it ever will.
Maybe, maybe not. The American demographic calculus is shifting as Asian and Hispanic voting blocs gain power. I don't think they'll bend over for blacks as whites have. So long as the process isn't ratfucked too badly, the majority in this country will ultimately impose its will (conditioned by whatever they're spoonfed by elites ofc). I'm less concerned by what blacks will accept, and more concerned by the moral framework which dictates what whites and others feel they must accept from blacks.
 
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I would like to think sanity comes next. Maybe it will come, but not immediately and not for long. Even with the recession (pretty sure we're in one regardless of how much they change the definition) people are still too comfortable and complacent to do much of anything and there's still too much of that "I have too much to lose" mentality among the people who should be opposing it. I shudder to think of what comes immediately next, given porn in elementary school libraries and cutting up children should have caused a mass revolt that makes the BLM riots look like a tea party.
I think there has to be something cataclysmic, like an actual world war and/or depression (I'm actually optimistic that both of these may happen soon). After that, it's probably going to be some kind of religious revival, which ultimately like the liberalism leading to wokism that preceded it, becomes oppressive and hypocritical over a few generations, leading to wokism appearing in another form.
If you haven't read or at least skimmed Generations (it's as long as Atlas Shrugged, so I don't believe anyone who says they've read it cover to cover) you'll understand. These things come and go every century, unfortunately we never seem to reach a point of sanity and say "let's just stay here".
 
Maybe, maybe not. The American demographic calculus is shifting as Asian and Hispanic voting blocs gain power. I don't think they'll bend over for blacks as whites have. So long as the process isn't ratfucked too badly, the majority in this country will ultimately impose its will (conditioned by whatever they're spoonfed by elites ofc). I'm less concerned by what blacks will accept, and more concerned by the moral framework which dictates what whites and others feel they must accept from blacks.

The inevitable conclusion of this is that people must have the freedom to disassociate from blacks and people must make peace with that and not cry tears about racism to try and impose forced integration again. This is why I put balkanization as the best realistic outcome.
 
I wish kiwifarms would stop idolizing the 1990s-2000s so much, it's full of retarded middle class ideas that led to the creation of the most entitled criminal class in human history. Wokism seems specifically designed to exploit those ideas and take them to their logical conclusions. If you watch enough older media, you can see people saw this coming even back in the 1960s.

--Total globohomo victory. Possibly the most depressing outcome, but unlikely I think. The cracks in the facade are already running pretty deep and it feels like the party really hasn't even started yet.
--A return to heckin' based traditional Christian conservative values. Wishful thinking.
--Balkanization. The best outcome that is at all realistic to pursue IMO. There are still decent communities that can exist in their own little bubbles if only they can find a way to detach themselves from the giant, all-consuming parasite that they are currently stuck to.
--A general decline into third world conditions, low trust, everything kind of sucks, politics is a perpetual cycle of tribal conflict and revenge. The most likely scenario imo, and only avoidable through balkanization (and even then, only for specific areas, a place like California is probably already doomed to this fate no matter what).
I also think 4 is the most likely outcome, but I don't see how 4 is any different from 1.
 
It's the inevitable result of a multi-cultural, multi-racial country. It simply doesn't work and all attempts to try to force it to work have been disastrous no different than communism.
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This guy is lionized by tech bros for a reason. Unfortunately for the purpose of this thread, his way of ensuring inter-ethnic harmony is totally incompatible with the American concept of civil rights.

Ancestral commonality is no guarantee of harmony. There are many examples of genetically homogenous states which nontheless fracture along religious or ideological lines, such as Ireland, Bosnia, or China during Cultural Revolution. Bloody feuds and civil wars have been fought between similar houses, villages, cities and tribes for millennia.

Ultimately I agree that without concerted effort from the top to defuse it, a multi-ethnic society with wildly disparate economic outcomes by race is a ticking time bomb. Multi-cultural societies are just a dumb idea all around, as even Angela Merkel famously conceded.
 
I also think 4 is the most likely outcome, but I don't see how 4 is any different from 1.

Because third world nations don't have to deal with soypozzed shit. Sure, you wouldn't want to live there, but if you had to, at least you wouldn't be forced to worship blacks and check people's gender pronouns. Under 1, you might get third world conditions *and* still have wokeshit being shoved down your throat anyways. Plus being subjected to CCP-style social credit thought control bullshit.
 
I wish kiwifarms would stop idolizing the 1990s-2000s so much, it's full of retarded middle class ideas that led to the creation of the most entitled criminal class in human history. Wokism seems specifically designed to exploit those ideas and take them to their logical conclusions.
I don't think it's a bad thing so long as you distinguish between the fashionable ideas of the 90s, which as you say led us into Wokism, and the comfortable status quo of race and political relations from that decade. The latter is worth fond remembrance. Getting back to that such that we don't backslide into Wokism again is the hard part.
The inevitable conclusion of this is that people must have the freedom to disassociate from blacks and people must make peace with that and not cry tears about racism to try and impose forced integration again. This is why I put balkanization as the best realistic outcome.
This already happens in practice, it's called real estate markets. People (white, Asian, Hispanic, based black men™️) pay more to live where the wildin' blacks don't. Everyone knows that it happens and sometimes they joke about it or feign guilt, but the one thing they NEVER do is move to the South Side of Chicago where houses are cheap for a reason.
 
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This guy is lionized by tech bros for a reason. Unfortunately for the purpose of this thread, his way of ensuring inter-ethnic harmony is totally incompatible with the American concept of civil rights.
It's also incompatible with American demographics. Singapore is a Chinese country with a small south and southeast Asian minority. America is like 50% white (most of which hate themselves) with a shit ton of blacks and Latinos with guns. LKY would've had to go TND if Singapore's demographics were that fucked.

Ancestral commonality is no guarantee of harmony. There are many examples of genetically homogenous states which nontheless fracture along religious or ideological lines, such as Ireland, Bosnia, or China during Cultural Revolution. Bloody feuds and civil wars have been fought between similar houses, villages, cities and tribes for millennia.
Ancestral commonality is not a guarantee of harmony but racial diversity definitely seems to be a guarantee of conflict.

Ultimately I agree that without concerted effort from the top to defuse it, a multi-ethnic society with wildly disparate economic outcomes by race is a ticking time bomb. Multi-cultural societies are just a dumb idea all around, as even Angela Merkel famously conceded.
Why go through the effort? How many countries need to be destroyed trying to make them look like a corporate stock photo? The experiment has failed and whatever comes next is doomed to fail if it doesn't acknowledge that.
 
Why go through the effort? How many countries need to be destroyed trying to make them look like a corporate stock photo?
I propose that it's less effort to lean how to live with my neighbors than it is to kill or expel them and everyone who looks and talks like them.
 
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I propose that it's less effort to lean how to live with my neighbors than it is to kill or expel them and everyone who looks and talks like them.
And I propose that it's less effort to learn how to make communism work. Give me a fucking break, nigger. It's time to snap out of your utopian delusion and realize that your neighbors want to sacrifice your kids to their globohomo tranny god and compromise isn't an option.
 
And I propose that it's less effort to learn how to make communism work. Give me a fucking break, nigger. It's time to snap out of your utopian delusion and realize that your neighbors want to sacrifice your kids to their globohomo tranny god and compromise isn't an option.
And if I snap out of it, what do I do then?
 
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This already happens in practice, it's called real estate markets. People (white, Asian, Hispanic, based black men™️) pay more to live where the wildin' blacks don't. Everyone knows that it happens and sometimes they joke about it or feign guilt, but the one thing they NEVER do is move to the South Side of Chicago where houses are cheap for a reason.

No it doesn't lol. I mean yes to a certain degree there is physical separation, although not nearly as much as there likely would be if people were truly allowed to pursue their preferences. But there is not disassociation so long as whites are expected to worship blacks and publicly flogged if they refuse to do so. A world of actual disassociation would be one in which white people can say nigger freely and laugh about it.

I propose that it's less effort to lean how to live with my neighbors than it is to kill or expel them and everyone who looks and talks like them.

You already pointed out that your literal neighbors probably aren't black though. True disassociation is physical yes but also political, social and cultural.
 
I propose that it's less effort to lean how to live with my neighbors than it is to kill or expel them and everyone who looks and talks like them.
It takes less effort to put kikes, niggers and other non whites in a mass grave, they want whites dead and won't stop no matter what
 
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And if I snap out of it, what do I do then?
Kill niggers. Behead niggers. Roundhouse kick a nigger into the concrete. Slam dunk a nigger baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy blacks. Defecate in a niggers food. Launch niggers into the sun. Stir fry niggers in a wok. Toss niggers into active volcanoes. Urinate into a niggers gas tank. Judo throw niggers into a wood chipper. Twist niggers heads off. Report niggers to the IRS. Karate chop niggers in half. Curb stomp pregnant black niggers. Trap niggers in quicksand. Crush niggers in the trash compactor. Liquefy niggers in a vat of acid. Eat niggers. Dissect niggers. Exterminate niggers in the gas chamber. Stomp nigger skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate niggers in the oven. Lobotomize niggers. Mandatory abortions for niggers. Grind nigger fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown niggers in fried chicken grease. Vaporize niggers with a ray gun. Kick old niggers down the stairs. Feed niggers to alligators. Slice niggers with a katana.
 
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