What do you think of conservative atheism?

[RybenZ999]

What the Hell does any of this even mean?? You do realize most scientists are atheists, right? If atheists didn’t care about the long-term, why would they make up significant portions of the medical and scientific communities? The comforts of modern life would be completely out of reach if it wasn’t for these people.

Actually, scratch that. This is too fucking stupid to even partake in seriously.

It's interesting how certain religious people become the most cartoonish caricatures of absurd radical skepticism about everything besides their own religious beliefs.

Some people here seem to think that science is inherently bad, not realizing that there is a difference between science and "science" and that without the former, the device you're using to browse this place wouldn't exist.

 

[Cheetahman]

atheism is logically a selfish, vile religion because when no god exists, everything goes

Are you the kind of person who claims that everyone would immediately stop wearing seatbelts if there were no laws about it?

 

[Male Idiot]

Empirical science is fine. What we got nowdays is Soyence, where similar to some soviet times, political ideology dictates the results. So no matter what the DNA tests show, Chris chan is a female because the dogma says so.

Also, since when you need religion to think 5 years ahead? The all men are equal is why I think Christianity is bad for white people. I guess you can call me a Whiteness Worshipper? It is true that for right wing atheism to work, you must accept social darwinism.

 

[This ruined Sonic]

It's better than being a reddit atheist I suppose, but... It's still bad. For atheist themselves. These people are basically "culturally Christian" but that's just soulless version of Christianity. One with no hope, no redemption, no future... just an interesting story, no more important than a fairy tale.... A lot of conservative ideology is routed in existence of God. For example, under conservative view human rights are fundamental and God-given, not just something created by the government for convenience. And freedom also means freedom from sins and vices, so a truly free society promotes what is true and good instead of just letting everyone be drug addicted sex maniacs because "just let everyone do whatever they want man!"
P.S: Being a conservative atheist is like having cognitive dissonance. That worldview can't hold, it'll collapse. Something has to give.

 

[Whatevermancer]

when no god exists, everything goes.

Indeed, so nothing's stopping an atheist from adopting a humanist worldview.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

What the hell are you talking about? I don't think the vast majority of Christian tenets are "a problem" - I think most of them are very good, in fact.

But the fact that religious morality is generally a good way to structure one's life doesn't mean God exists.

But A LOT of people do think they are a problem now. It's less that Atheism itself is a problem than it is evangelical Atheists, the types who want to tear Christianity down socially and politically. Atheists largely used to shut up about their lack of belief and often even actually enjoyed participating in Christian culture--which was inextricably intertwined with American culture--until the militant Atheists started chipping away at it.

I remember liberal Atheists mocking conservatives back in the 2000's for sounding the alarm on the "gay agenda", the "war on Christmas", and "diminishing patriotism", typical "that's not happening" shtick; now they're at the "and that's a good thing!" part of the plan. Fags took over, Merry Christmas is hate speech, and the American spirit is dying.

Whether God exists or not, from a practical civilizational standpoint, is almost secondary to the fact that what we had was good and worked, and this cultural vacuum they've created is being filled with an inferior replacement.

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

Whether God exists or not, from a practical civilizational standpoint, is almost secondary to the fact that what we had was good and worked

Sure, but you can't base your beliefs about the nature of reality on what best produces a functional civilization.

The truth is the truth, whether for good or ill - almost nobody likes the fact that we're all born to inevitably die and that everything we care about will decay and be lost to time, but we still believe in entropy because it's self-evidently, undeniably true. To say "we're not going to believe what is intuitively obvious because it's discouraging and not conducive to civilization" is insanity.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Sure, but you can't base your beliefs about the nature of reality on what best produces a functional civilization.

The truth is the truth, whether for good or ill - almost nobody likes the fact that we're all born to inevitably die and that everything we care about will decay and be lost to time, but we still believe in entropy because it's self-evidently, undeniably true. To say "we're not going to believe what is intuitively obvious because it's discouraging and not conducive to civilization" is insanity.

I agree, we can't base our beliefs on anything but the nature of reality. But to plenty of people religion does adequately explain the nature of reality, so it's a happy coincidence for someone like me that something which yields the best societal results also happens to be what I believe in.

Besides, I think what's actually insane is not to do what's optimal, especially as an Atheist. Think about it, if what gives someone the best life is a foundation built on values stemming from a source they disbelieve, then they'd be cutting off their nose to spite their face by uprooting that, all for what? A wry chuckle, arrogant smirk, and a tip of their fedora? That's a bad trade. It makes sense for, say, a Muslim to shit up a Christian country to comport with their beliefs and make it another Islamic hellhole, but an Atheist? What would compel them?

Lowering the standard of living essentially just to say "heh, checkmate Christians" seems retarded to me. If Hinduism resulted in the best societies then I'd be culturally Hindu, same of secularism, you can't argue with results. Cultural Christians figured that out.

 

[Male Idiot]

For example, under conservative view human rights are fundamental and God-given

How is that a good or right wing thing?

Human rights has always been a American Liberal thing.

which was inextricably intertwined with American culture

Mutt culture's peak was Star Wars and hamberders and fried potatoes.

Goering was right about it, it is not a good thing either. I guess it does outdo India, but compared to Japan it is pathetic in terms of culture, and Japan ain't made out of jewish fairy tales.

 

[mr_negativity]

Atheist conservatives are disproportionally Jewish, gay or a combination of both.

Douglas Murray can mourn the death of religion, write about the value of religion, but his desire to shove his dick down another mans anus blinds him to actually embracing religion. He will weep while society crumbles around him, but getting shit on his dick is more important to him than actually saving the civilization he supposedly values.

 

[Male Idiot]

Atheist conservatives are disproportionally Jewish, gay or a combination of both.

Douglas Murray can mourn the death of religion, write about the value of religion, but his desire to shove his dick down another mans anus blinds him to actually embracing religion. He will weep while society crumbles around him, but getting shit on his dick is more important to him than actually saving the civilization he supposedly values.

Why couldn't he just become a rabbi or priest?

 

[Meriasek]

Worshipping science as a god is a pretty lame view on what is a god. Science is by nature and definition something to be understood, something that man has made himself, and is nothing but a framework to understand what he sees and predict what will happen.
A god, particularly the monotheist all-encompassing God, is something divine, something transcendent that cannot be fully grasped by the human mind. It is intrinsically out of reach. Seeing "science worship" as equivalent to the worship of the divine just kinda drags down the faith in the divine. Especially if you see "science worship" as more of a cargo cult of the "I fucking love science" midwits, then it reduces the faith in the divine to nothing but stupid superstition.
Which is a pretty neckbearded thing, imo.

 

[Lach]

I would say it's incorrect to see conservative atheism as a movement and more like a demographic, which some people in this thread seem to see it as the former than the latter. Some people are naturally irreligious for various reasons and there's people of low and high IQ that have belief in religions and those that don't. You're always going to have different sets of people meet in intersections of similar beliefs and proceed to go the opposite on other subjects, the utter complexity of differing outlooks from individual to individual often becomes frustrating that easier to stereotype and categorize others that aren't in your in-group than to concede that thing is complex or different and that's okay.