What positive vision for the future does the right / alt-right have? - educate me on political theory

[Maverick Vile]

They are all basically ban this / stop that / end the other. I want to know what the right will build in the place of all the stuff it wants to tear down.

What a broke-brain view on political objectives. The only thing that kind of thinking leads to is growing the size of the government at the expense of everyone who is not a government official. Getting rid of an onerous institution does not require putting a new one up in its place. There are aspects of life that don't require a fucking license or a consultation from an 'expert.'

 

[Saddam Hussain Obama]

Is paleo-libertarian alt-right? The term alt-right is so watered down I don't even know what the fuck it means.

yes its alt right or sometimes considered it they have a strong overlap because hans herman hoppe used to be friends with richard spencer but he has since cut ties because of richard being a liberal

 

[rrtyui]

yes its alt right or sometimes considered it they have a strong overlap because hans herman hoppe used to be friends with richard spencer but he has since cut ties because of richard being a liberal

Ok then, my positive future vision for the world is turning the USA into an actual country again. With borders, and freedom for it's citizens.

I feel like OP doesn't understand how bad the world is politically. Even just rolling back time a little while is a massive win.

 

[Saddam Hussain Obama]

Ok then, my positive future vision for the world is turning the USA into an actual country again. With borders, and freedom for it's citizens.

I feel like OP doesn't understand how bad the world is politically. Even just rolling back time a little while is a massive win.

same also the overlap between paleo libertarians is the support of private property rights so white people can make an ethnostate also opposing the civil rights movement do to it using goverment force and supporting the south and the confederacy for the same reasons you can also throw in opposing war as another overlap between the alt right and libertarians but usually the remaining people who call themselves alt right do not get along with libertarians

 

[Chicken of the woods]

Ok then, my positive future vision for the world is turning the USA into an actual country again. With borders, and freedom for it's citizens.

I feel like OP doesn't understand how bad the world is politically. Even just rolling back time a little while is a massive win.

Yeah I don't live in the US so not much sense of how good or bad things are there.

So the aim is just to undo some of the bad developments that have happened and to restore lost freedom? If so how are those two things connected? What makes you confident that increasing freedom will lead people to become less degenerate rather than more?

And how do you respond to new challenges that weren't around 30 or 100 years ago? How do you reconcile small / non-interventionist government and an isolationist foreign policy with the need to limit the power of global corporations? What approach should be taken to the abuses of big tech, developments in AI, the rise of China as a hostile superpower, etc?

 

[Executive Petrel]

After the great reset or nucular world war, there will be some Mad Max period with marauding streets Gangs and tribal culture after which society can be rebuilt.

 

[Linako 2.0]

the right is about returning to tradition or reversing progress not making progress

I've gotten over the idea of progres: It's overrated. And when criticized, the progressives will wish upon you a more cartoonishly dark fate than any "regressive" Civilization could come up with.

 

[Omori Boy]

Nothing. It reached it's height in Charlottesville and began it's decline on the same date of the event. The alt-right was a reaction to 35 years of suit & tie suburbanite republicans and now look at every single major player in the alt-right, look what they're hawking, that's right, the same thing the alt-right was a reaction to. There is nothing to look forward to, are you the average working American man? You're probably going work yourself to death and die unfulfilled and sad. Are you some upper-middle-class manager or business owner? Well you can live the American dream of crackerbox houses, Escalade or Navigator, and gated communities.

 

[Mellisuga Helenae]

For starters, NEVER use the language your enemies have chosen for you, i.e. Alt-right etc.

It's like a conquered nation using a flag that their conquerors chose for them. See the modern flags of occupied Germany (White Removed), Italy (Culture Removed), and Japan (Rays of the Sun Removed) to see what I mean.

Someone finally says it.

It's so exhausting seeing """right wingers""" constantly cede territory by legitimizing leftist language and thus always engaging them on their own terms.

 

[rrtyui]

So the aim is just to undo some of the bad developments that have happened and to restore lost freedom? If so how are those two things connected? What makes you confident that increasing freedom will lead people to become less degenerate rather than more?

And how do you respond to new challenges that weren't around 30 or 100 years ago? How do you reconcile small / non-interventionist government and an isolationist foreign policy with the need to limit the power of global corporations? What approach should be taken to the abuses of big tech, developments in AI, the rise of China as a hostile superpower, etc?

Degeneracy needs to have action taken against it societally, you're not going to be able to censor fags, especially in the modern day, nor should you. That's their whole grift, that they're misunderstood, let them talk long enough and people realize that they're just mentally ill sex pests, nothing more, nothing less. That being said, undoing all the things the government does that nudges people in a certain direction certainly would help, like the politicization of public school or institutionalization of LGBT shit.

As for everything else, I apologize but I don't feel like writing an essay at the moment, nor do I feel like having it held to scrutiny and getting in a long winding debate, not to shit on you, I acknowledge that I'm being gay by not answering.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

A stable society without freaks isn't good enough?

 

[Kumquat]

Yeah I don't live in the US so not much sense of how good or bad things are there.

So the aim is just to undo some of the bad developments that have happened and to restore lost freedom? If so how are those two things connected? What makes you confident that increasing freedom will lead people to become less degenerate rather than more?

And how do you respond to new challenges that weren't around 30 or 100 years ago? How do you reconcile small / non-interventionist government and an isolationist foreign policy with the need to limit the power of global corporations? What approach should be taken to the abuses of big tech, developments in AI, the rise of China as a hostile superpower, etc?

A lot of the "bad developments" are directly a result of government and corporate interests pushing them on the public. This genderqueer degeneracy and hyper-individualism didn't just sprout out of the ground one day. The perversion and erosion and traditional mores is not some organic, grassroots movement. At the risk of sounding like a schizo, so much of what we're seeing has been socially engineered. They're introducing these concepts to people as early as kindergarten. Even fucking daycares are teaching toddlers about being "gender fluid." Planned Parenthood was caught giving "sex ed" lessons to pre-teens teaching them how to slurp cum from your boyfriend's asshole (I fucking wish I was making that up.) Elementary schools are teaching kids that racism is inherent and that white people are automatically bad and that non-whites are born victims.

The point is, a lot of what we think is organic is really just astro-turfed bullshit. It's being deliberately taught and disseminated via schools, businesses, social media, etc. There's a reason they want drag queens reading to children at the library. So yes, a lot of this stuff could really be fixed by just... not doing that shit. Kick this shit out of the classroom. Ban DEI and ESG shit in businesses. Castrate the demon of perversion and stop it from reproducing. The rest should correct itself in time.

 

[Otoya Yamaguchi]

Alt night? I don't know what that is

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

What should a right-wing government do to improve things?

Get the fuck out of people's lives.
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[DDR Yoga]

Does anybody refer to themselves as 'alt-right' these days? I think 'dissident right' is the best term to go with because it's a harsh reminder for lefties and shitlibs who is in lockstep with capitalist power and who is silenced, deplatformed and suppressed by capitalist power.

As for "Get the government out of our lives", the government is out of your life. Your country is run by bankers, oligarchs, media moguls and trillionaire paedophiles. The return of actual governments are what we need. There was an Austrian painter who once wrestled power back from the bankers using, you guessed it, government.

Failing that, just give me a Kaczynskian anti-civilisation revolution. The strongest apes will survive.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

There are very few right-wingers with any actual vision for the future. That's why there's everything from loonie ancaps to absolute monarchists/theocracies to "Trump'll fix it!" MAGA boomers. And even the ones with a vision for the future have no idea how to get from here to there. Yes, restoring 1950s America with its moral values, high social trust, and nigh-unprecedented opportunity and prosperity would be great, but none of the Republicans (especially the RINOs who pretend to be hardcore Christians) have any clue how to make the 50s happen again.

And the thing is, you can't restore the past because we don't live in the past anymore. All you can do is make the future resemble the past, and very few right-wingers have any answer for that. That's why they don't realize the urgency of demographics, why they let the left score easy wins on the environment instead of promoting actually sustainable tech (i.e. nuclear energy and cellulosic ethanol), and ignore how dramatic tech is changing our world. When everyone has a smartphone with AI on it, you aren't going to have the 1950s again. Corporations have unprecedented amounts of power, let alone the people funding the corporations like Blackrock. Small government isn't going to do you any good when all it means is the government outsourcing the jackboots to a megacorp.

I think it's very possible to go back to the 1950s (which should be an ideal goal for everyone, and it's a shame the last boomers who remember the 50s are dying out), but you have to accept that it's going to look like more like Chairman Xi's China than it is Andy Griffith's Mayberry, and that's because Chairman Xi's China has a vast surveillance and social engineering apparatus which in the US could help undo decades of far-left cultural Marxist indoctrination. And considering that our future is going to look at best like China currently does (in practice more like some godawful hybrid of China and modern South Africa), that doesn't sound so bad. It sucks, but I don't see any way out of it given the interplay between technology and corporate power.

Nada, it's literally a reactive ideology. Nobody these days actually believes in anything, it's all about countering others that they don't like.

The left does, especially once you step outside the establishment. They want a society of freedom from responsibility, where the government pays you UBI to sit at home and pop tranny pills whilst consooming Mahvel. And key to that society is suppressing anything that reminds people of responsibility and that means abolishing the police and hate speech laws.

For starters, NEVER use the language your enemies have chosen for you, i.e. Alt-right etc.

It's like a conquered nation using a flag that their conquerors chose for them. See the modern flags of occupied Germany (White Removed), Italy (Culture Removed), and Japan (Rays of the Sun Removed) to see what I mean.

Not wanting fags raping your kids is seen as "reversing progress" to some.

The current German and Italian flags date to the 1840s and the only reason they weren't used is because for Germany, the Prussians didn't like that flag (too liberal for them) and for Italy it's because the King demanded to slap his coat of arms on it. The rising sun without rays is even more ancient and the version with rays was only the flag used by the Japanese military (it still is BTW).

 

[Otoya Yamaguchi]

I feel like OP doesn't understand how bad the world is politically. Even just rolling back time a little while is a massive win.

seriously. the 90s were no cake walk but at least grooming kids and pedophilia was mainstream accepted and encourged

 

[Blamo2000]

But what is it for? What should a right-wing government do to improve things?

Simply listen to the people more, and have more local control for the population. Mass immigration, gay stuff, pedoshit and troonery are NOT popular. That is the reason these questions are never put on referendum and if they happen to be put on the referendum, they lose.

I would say ultimately it is for "normalcy" and "life". I know vague terms. Even Communist regimes in the last turned to a more "right wing" approach after the revolutionary fever died off.

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

Don't you think it's a little fucking exhausting that all of these political ideologies want some kind of utopia? Isn't it enough just to want to stop the bullshit and get to an efficient and happy state of being?

That's all I truly want. I don't need to change the world into my perfect vision, I just want a good future. Creating a world that makes sense and is tolerable is a start, and getting that start would be step 1. Every day we stray further from that start.

How about we don't think so far ahead and just change course?

 

[Kankichi Ryotsu]

Strengthening the state as a counter balance to the power of businesses. Using the tools of the state to make sure treasonous oligarchs tow the line and also to ensure the preservation of the state. As long as there is a state, there is a nation, which is the only valid form of societal organization. A group of foreigners is not going to have any solidarity with you, but they have it between themselves. That's why cracking down on parallel state structures like what happens in some neighborhoods in Paris is important. If ultimately the survival of the nation means to be against anything that threatens it, then yes, I am against a lot of stuff, but that doesn't mean there aren't core believes that I have.
That said, this political language is too nebulous and inaccurate. Would I say I am right wing? Yes. However, the side defined as "the right" is hardly a monolith and it has a lot of different people in it. I dislike lolberts and boomer cuckservatives more than stalinists, for example, so I don't think you can reduce politics to just "the left" or "the right".