What positive vision for the future does the right / alt-right have? - educate me on political theory

[Sargon's wife's son]

The alt-right nothing they were entirely a Russian to destabilization operation from the very beginning and they have absolutely no grandiose vision for the future besides we're not neoconservatives
As for the actual right wing which is made up of absolute monarchists
You like the 1600s it's going to be a lot like the 1600s
So a stable Society that's not constantly imploding upon itself that's about it
Also no atheist
No Jews
No Muslims
And legalize slavery
Probably the economics of heavy protectionism mixed with a form of Christian socialism
Women have no rights
You can beat gays in the streets again
These are your only two options
Freedom of speech will probably still exist as well as the right to bear arms
If not in white still live in the US they will be second class citizens
Still better than living in Africa or the s******* countries they came from
Public vegans will have the face beaten to a bloody pulp by the police
Drug dealers and Drug traffickers will be publicly executed along with pedophiles
You also get really cool uniforms have I mentioned cool uniforms that's 95% of the reason people drawing the far right

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

That's pretty much my main issue with America First, it's easy to argue against things you don't like but in the end if you don't have an agreed upon method and goals then your ideology will devolve and become dominated by grifters and extremists.

Same way commies say overall acceptable "I'm against being abused by the wealthy" and end up either being grifters talking on the age of consent and/or dictators massacring entire parts of the population.

It doesn't help that the goal the alt right has for society is basically suburban sitcoms.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Positive vision of the future?
Positive visions of the future is what got us into this mess.

Daily reminder that pessimists never win.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places but the modern right seems very negative. It's against globalism, transgenderism, uncontrolled immigration, censorship, mandatory vaccination, technocracy and rule by NGOs, the list goes on. But what is it for? What should a right-wing government do to improve things? Or does the right believe that its ultimate goal is just to put an end to the bad stuff?

90% of the right does not have any positive vision nor do they have any policies other than "we dislike thing so thing should not be".
Also many of their ideas are obviously not feasible outside niche scenarios. For example seething against technology will make you an outsider that cannot build a military, no military, no power. Seething against censorship is also dishonest, as we should definitely censor positions like genderfluidity and prevent them from infecting actual medicine and science. Isolationism is not viable for smaller countries with large, expansionist neighbors either.
There is a reason the elites continue to remain in power. They're devious, they have actual plans and policies, as evil as some might be, and they are able to implement them.
The right also is obsessed with stronk man daddies which is a path to failure, as it eventually leads to having to defend the indefensible things they do.
What is needed is a list of actual policies and a plan spelling out how to implement them. Most rightoids are too afraid to try putting that on paper.

 

[The Punished Mitch]

OP is an ignorant nigger. Humans naturally crave, desire and need stability. A group of humans be it a family, tribe, village or nation of hundreds of millions can be seen as a body - absent (((interference))) it will naturally seek homeostasis. All that is needed for the Western body to heal itself is to remove the many, many (((external))) factors purposefully designed, created and implemented to prevent it from ever again reaching homeostasis. If I go to the doctor with 15.2 million parasites wreaking havoc on every cell in my body the doctor is going to focus first on eliminating as many of them as possible. It is the constant state of flux, the eternal demand for "change" and "progress" for the sake of it that weakens the host.

In order to heal society the parasites must be excised completely and at any cost.

- Education must be wholly reformed to focus first and foremost on core skills such as reading, writing, mathematics, economics, basic science ( biology, chemistry ), history, politics and rigorous physical education. To be further enriched by philosophy and exposure to art and soul nourishing appreciation of aesthetics. Absolutely no nigger worship, DEI, faggot normalization, fat acceptance, gender lunacy or auto-flagellation over the past. A strong focus on stimulating excellence, rather than moving heaven and earth to teach retards how to count to potato.
- Justice must be returned to the land, tolerance for violence, corruption and degeneracy must be eliminated completely. Except for the very young a crime is either significant enough to be considered a finable offense or you get the firing squad. Any and all corruption by and attempts to corrupt public servants = firing squad. Term limits on all public offices. Normalization and celebration of sexual degeneracy must be banned.
- Membership to all international organizations and obligations to any international treaties that place harmful and onerous obligations upon the state or its citizens should be terminated immediately.
- All illegals are subject to a 60 day grace period during which the government will aid in whatever way necessary for them to leave the country, after 60 days anyone caught will be stripped of any and all assets before deportation. Any future invasion of the country, yes, firing squad. Any and all jews are to be deported to Israel, anyone guilty of historical collaboration with the jew is to be banned permanently from any and all functions relating to education, finance, law or governance. Limited migration and only if strictly necessary to vital industry - exceptions to be made for those of extraordinary talent or skill.
- Democracy via binding referendum, only literate white men who are not dependent on the state can vote.
- An end to obscure and arcane jewish magic surrounding law, governance, business and equities markets.
- A return of insane asylums and homes for the mentally deficient - regular citizenry should not find their lives burdened by those with an unfortunate mental state.
- Drastic reduction in size and scope of government, commensurate reduction in government sanctioned theft aka taxation.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

"Doctor, what positive vision do you have for my future health?"
"Well, first we need to stop the bleeding in your leg so we don't have to amputate it."
"Oh, come on! I get that you're AGAINST amputation, but what are you FOR?"

 

[OrangeJuliusEvola]

Daily reminder that pessimists never win.

Nope, we just hang around forever like irradiated roaches after each new generation of optimists blow themselves up over and over again with their hubris.

More seriously, though, don't conflate pessimism with apathetic doomerism. Keeping the fire going is hard work. Those tempted to rush headlong into utopia ought to consider the etymology of the word. That said, neither you nor I have any real say in how it goes. Flotsam on the tide of history and all that.

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

Daily reminder that pessimists never win.

The parasites that took over your government are the ultimate pessimists who see everyone but themselves as cattle and they've won for over 80 years.

 

[Kiwisee]

There really isn’t going to be any positive changes until the so called “right” can actually agree on a palatable platform, for one. You either get RINOs or you get people trying to turn parties into their mini Hitler Youth gatherings; there’s no inbetween.

Stick around with like minded in real life, and keep your online activity limited. Start getting into writing in a journal instead of trauma dumping about how you want to kill yourself because “the white race is dying”. You’ll be surprised by how easy it is to find people in real life when you’re not a fucking sperg who says “nigger” every few sentences.

Now, where can you find people like that?

Well, usually at non office job for starters. The harder the manual labor is, the more likely you will at minimum find conservative-minded people. Sure, they may not necessarily sprout /Pol/ talking points but it’s a starting point.

Just don’t be a fucking sperg and you’ll be fine.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

90% of the right does not have any positive vision nor do they have any policies other than "we dislike thing so thing should not be".
Also many of their ideas are obviously not feasible outside niche scenarios. For example seething against technology will make you an outsider that cannot build a military, no military, no power. Seething against censorship is also dishonest, as we should definitely censor positions like genderfluidity and prevent them from infecting actual medicine and science. Isolationism is not viable for smaller countries with large, expansionist neighbors either.

It's very possible to end technology's evils, it just relies on a global agency to do surveillance on forbidden technology, black ops to inspect/destroy forbidden technology as it pops up, massive fines and sanctions on corporations who secretly fund that research, and sanctions and state-sponsored terrorism against countries engaged in that research (like what Israel does to Iran's nuclear program).

If everyone who funded gain-of-function virus research like Anthony Fauci and Peter Daszak suddenly "committed suicide", EcoHealth Alliance and UC Chapel Hill got whacked with giant fines, and the Wuhan Institute of Virology and those Metabiota (Hunter Biden-funded) biolabs in the Ukraine suffered catastrophic fires, there wouldn't have been a scamdemic in 2020 and probably the next scamdemic won't happen either.

 

[AgendaPoster]

It's very possible to end technology's evils, it just relies on a global agency to do surveillance on forbidden technology, black ops to inspect/destroy forbidden technology as it pops up, massive fines and sanctions on corporations who secretly fund that research, and sanctions and state-sponsored terrorism against countries engaged in that research (like what Israel does to Iran's nuclear program).

If everyone who funded gain-of-function virus research like Anthony Fauci and Peter Daszak suddenly "committed suicide", EcoHealth Alliance and UC Chapel Hill got whacked with giant fines, and the Wuhan Institute of Virology and those Metabiota (Hunter Biden-funded) biolabs in the Ukraine suffered catastrophic fires, there wouldn't have been a scamdemic in 2020 and probably the next scamdemic won't happen either.

So you're OK with globalism to destroy nasty tech (it would fail, or it would require surveillance tech above what we have now, so it will rely on evil tech), but you're not OK with globalism to pacify unruly states
You dudes are weird sometimes
My personal belief is that you cannot stop tech progress even if it will lead us to annihilation
BTW there are hundreds of virology institutes and all have all sorts of dangerous samples.

 

[Hüftpriester]

- Annex Mexico and Canada, creating an Imperial Order in North America.
- Deport Mexicans from America back to Mexico, where they will live under our benevolent reign free from drug cartels.
- Deport all Indians from Canada (this is arguably the most important).
- Create forced labor camps for those not willing to adapt to the new way.
- Each family gets one vote. The man does the voting. Unmarried couples = no votes. Married couples without children = no votes.
- Ban Judaism

 

[SpergioLeonne]

But what is it for? What should a right-wing government do to improve things?

Most of the time, it isn’t actually government that improves things.

I mean, if it was working well and we had a more effective and impartial system to prevent and expose corruption, things like the FDA would be nice. They’re supposed to make sure people are playing by the rules.

You’d probably be surprised to know how little the federal government, aside from the military, has contributed to anything in the past hundred years. And even military funding is generally more useful when provided to industry contractors like aerospace companies.

Basically, the government’s job should just be to guarantee rights and enforce duly enacted laws. It sucks because it mostly spends its time trying to poke holes in the constitution by limiting your rights and searching for legal maneuvers to further enrich and entrench itself.

So conservatism isn’t ABOUT figuring out what the government can proactively provide for you, it’s about constraining it and trying to encourage it to perform what tasks have been delegated to it fairly and efficiently.

This whole question misses that point.

 

[ITK]

Most of the time, it isn’t actually government that improves things.

I mean, if it was working well and we had a more effective and impartial system to prevent and expose corruption, things like the FDA would be nice. They’re supposed to make sure people are playing by the rules.

You’d probably be surprised to know how little the federal government, aside from the military, has contributed to anything in the past hundred years. And even military funding is generally more useful when provided to industry contractors like aerospace companies.

Basically, the government’s job should just be to guarantee rights and enforce duly enacted laws. It sucks because it mostly spends its time trying to poke holes in the constitution by limiting your rights and searching for legal maneuvers to further enrich and entrench itself.

So conservatism isn’t ABOUT figuring out what the government can proactively provide for you, it’s about constraining it and trying to encourage it to perform what tasks have been delegated to it fairly and efficiently.

This whole question misses that point.

A positive vision for the future does not necessarily need to include government. It can be the vision of a family huddled around the hearth of their homestead on a winter Sunday as the father reads aloud the magical prose of the King James Bible. No matter what that vision is, the essence is that politics must not be apophatic. A movement which tries to define what it is in negation of what it opposes lacks the vitalism, that seminal germ of production, which is necessary to actually impose itself upon the social organism. Negation is of course necessary--any positive vision is obviously always simultaneously a negation of what it is not--but it is this palpable vision which must be the driving force of your rallying against social ills, being principled and targeted instead of aimless and reactive. The dissident right have some vague ideas of what this positive vision should look like (in 2016 at least it was Aryan women in wheat field, Arno Breker statues, old recordings of National Socialist manifestations, etc) but it clearly has a problem in defining that properly, hence the OP.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

A movement which tries to define what it is in negation of what it opposes lacks the vitalism, that seminal germ of production, which is necessary to actually impose itself upon the social organism.

Ok. In the 50’s, that was “we’re against communism and Satan. America is cool because of that.”

Those are negations, they just chose to embrace patriotism for the marketing element. That was America as an emerging superpower, and it happened to coincide with our peak.

Even JFK was primarily anti-communist for the history books, with his speach about how we were going to oppose it everywhere it popped up. That’s the mother of all negations.

The death of America began with moral relativism, which was tolerated and born in corruption. Who cares if we’re no better than anyone else.

Oddly enough, that’s what dollar store Stacey Keaches from American History X are all about.

 

[ITK]

Ok. In the 50’s, that was “we’re against communism and Satan. America is cool because of that.”

It was for Capitalism and for God and church, as well. This is critical. The America of the 1950's had a very well grounded and fleshed out understanding of itself on positive terms, it was not just a reactive entity based on anti-bolshevism.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

So you're OK with globalism to destroy nasty tech (it would fail, or it would require surveillance tech above what we have now, so it will rely on evil tech), but you're not OK with globalism to pacify unruly states
You dudes are weird sometimes
My personal belief is that you cannot stop tech progress even if it will lead us to annihilation
BTW there are hundreds of virology institutes and all have all sorts of dangerous samples.

That's not much more globalism than exists now, and technology poses an existential risk to all life on this planet, let alone humanity and our quality of life. I would say surveillance tech is the lessser of two evils.

Consider that we're headed for a world where not having a brain implant will be like not having ears or eyes. It's called "internet of bodies". Imagine all the terrible things governments could do with that (like use terahertz radiation from cellphone towers to keep you calm), let alone terrorists or enemy governments. You could have an honest to god zombie apocalypse because someone fucked around with a computer virus that infected the bionano. Except worse, since the zombies can implant you with the zombie tech and cause you to hallucinate a twisted hell dimension as your body slowly expires. Ebola doesn't sound so bad now, does it? Just go look up what Charles Lieber (CCP spy who worked in Wuhan) was researching, its links to Moderna and mRNA, etc.

Transgenderism is another fine example of technology's evil, and is literally the tip of the iceberg of transhumanist evil. Arguably the internet itself is an evil ediface that must be destroyed, but the CCP seems to be doing well with a heavily censored internet so we can keep the internet in an ideal society.

What positive vision would stopping technology's progress offer? For the first time in centuries, people would know their children would grow up in a world that was like their own. They wouldn't have to worry about some new shit rotting their children's brains or the world in 30-40 years being alien to the one they know. On a macro level, this would be wonderful for the economy because it severely reduces disruptive innovation which historically produces winners and losers on the level of entire nations. For instance, the British Empire fell in part because its industry was outdated compared to the US and Germany, so Britain basically destroyed themselves to constrain the latter. I need say nothing about how people with better technology (i.e. Europeans) destroyed those with inferior technology (i.e. everyone else).

So it's pretty clear that stopping the progress of technology carries civilizational benefits, especially since the group most likely to destroy us will be sentient AI or some retard unleashing a zombie plague on the Internet of Bodies world to come. To me that sounds like the ultimate sort of conservativism--a society that does not change from generation to generation.

 

[starborn427614]

I'm not as staunchly against conservatism as other liberals (after all, too much of anything is bad for you), but I've wondered for a long time about what the right has to offer society that the left doesn't already. Obviously there's less of this, less of that, but for example you don't need to be conservative to be part of a nuclear/traditional family which has often popped up as a selling point for the right.

Until that question is answered, I can't really see the current culture changing all that much.

 

[Tablet County]

I think the only way you're going to see big, sweeping, revolutionary changes is if some newfangled ideology that is somehow not founded in the preexisting left-right dichotomy that dominates US politics is thought up. Otherwise it's just gonna be cycles of the exact same shit, over and over and over again in different forms, which is the more realistic and likely future than that of a brand new never-thought-of-before ideology suddenly barging in and slamming its dick on the table.

But really? People just need to learn moderation. Temperance isn't just for Christians anymore, and for the reddit-minded there're good, science-friendly reasons to pursue an existence that isn't all sex, weed and cuckery.

 

[Nacho Man Randy Salsa]

Is a vision where we don't kill people? Killing isn't positive.