What should be done to stop mass shootings?

[Makhno]

Again, because the woman has bodily autonomy. You can refuse to donate a kidney to a man who would die without it. If abortion is murder, how is that not murder? Yet you're totally fine with that. Oh, right, because you want to punish harlots who have sex.

Except you can have sex, take every precaution and still end up pregnant. You want to force women who have sex to give birth if they get pregnant because you're an incel religious zealot who hates women. Again, if abortion is murder, how is refusing to donate an organ to a dying person who needs it not murder?

AR-15s would be pretty useless to prevent a rape that is occurring. Rapes are typically short-range crimes. If a guy is trying to take her down and take her clothes off, an AR-15 is too big to be useful. Those guns are heavy, you know.

And again, you act like home invasions happen all the time. I know your boomer ass watches Fox News and that's what they tell you, but it really doesn't happen often. And again, a pistol or another gun would work just fine. Rapes very, very, very rarely happen with someone breaking into your home, Eris. Again, you watch too much Fox News. And again, a non-semiautomatic gun would work fine for defense in that situation.

Lol you don't even know what "woke" means, Eris. You still can't define it. I've given you ample opportunity to define "woke" and tell me why you hate it so much. Women like guys who don't act like 85 year old religious zealots in the year 1955. Stop acting like that and maybe you can meet a nice woman. Having a girlfriend is pretty awesome. Sorry it makes your incel ass seethe that I have one and your elderly ass doesn't.

women don't even have autonomy over their own emotional state let alone what they choose to like. all it took to convince them killing their own kids was cool was some jews using pop culture to tell them it was the trendy thing to do. it's pretty simple if you don't want to have kids don't be a whore but especially don't be a fucking retard. Women avoided pregnancy for all human history by understanding their own bodies and what times they were fertile. you have to be under 25 with how retarded you are. also you know fuckall about guns. neither women or men conduct their lives with dignity today and this is just another example of it.

 

[The Internet Dick]

As the title says what policies, laws, or social reforms do you think should be put in place to stop mass shootings in America?

I've recently read a book, The Rape of the Mind: The Psychology of Thought Control, Menticide, and Brainwashing by psychiatrist Joost Abraham Maurits Meerloo. Meerloo, a member of the Dutch Resistance in WWII, was himself arrested, tortured, and interrogated by the Nazis until rescued in a resistance raid like something out of the movies. After the war, he moved to the States and--because of his background--was asked to assist in the defense of an Army major accused of collaborating with the enemy while a prisoner of war in North Korea. Meerloo interviewed dozens of former prisoners and conducted in-depth research of the techniques employed. With the assistance of colleagues in various other disciplines, he pieced together Chicom brainwashing techniques.

Most important takeaway: Those old school Chicom brainwashing techniques worked. Those evil, rat bastard commies could take even the bravest of men and break them, make their psyches as malleable as clay, and then reshape and repurpose them into whatever they needed, get them to say whatever they wanted and--most significantly--make those men want to do and say what their captors asked of them. Viewed objectively, the techniques themselves are straightforward enough, as old as Pavlov and his dogs. Another takeaway: The Army major was ultimately acquitted on the basis of Meerloo's expert testimony since, per Meerloo, very few people are capable of withstanding the conditioning process since the pressures brought to bear are enormous, overwhelming. The term Meerloo coined for this process is menticide.

I assert similar but far more sophisticated manipulation techniques are being applied here, now, today in numerous countries across the globe and those most susceptible to this gargantuan mind fuck--the mentally ill and emotionally unstable--are cracking under the strain, just as those prisoners did in Korea all those decades ago.

To the overarching point, maniacs shooting up schools, churches, shopping malls and the like are an effect, not a cause.

Stop the bastards orchestrating and bankrolling this Great Mind Fuck, and you stop mass shootings.

 

[Zyklon Ben's Poison Pen]

but cartels aren't going to just get guns out of no where. Eventually the supply would dry up.

Well no, here you are wrong, 3D printed guns have become viable and the other day I saw a oldskool paintball marker that clearly had been made on a workbench and still worked as well the day it was ground out.
The gun cat is already out of the bag, simple and repeatable designs are already here and the only difficulty is ammo....which I saw some dude cranking out of his garage on youtube. As long as you can get decent quality metal, guns are here to stay.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

It takes 20 back and forths to corner you into acknowledging a basic fact. And why do you want me to define a word you know, if you think I don't know it then you can try to educate me.


Neither do you, if they're too young.


I do support abortion though, just not unrestricted. If the mother will die then it's permissible. You want viable babies to be killed because you equate responsibility to punishment.


A viable "fetus" is the same as an "infant", they're both babies, a word you hate since you prefer sterile euphemistic medical terms to hide behind.


The woman consented to engaging in procreative acts, I don't consent to surgery, but go ahead and dodge this point and whine about me not defining "woke" for you


If they're going to be teaching them anyway then they should have defensive weapons if schools are as dangerous as you say. I'd prefer non-Wokeist teachers but oh well.


So you want them overworked, underpaid, AND shot by shooters? I know you love fags and niggers because you're a libtard, but even you can figure out how self-defense is a good thing, not a bad thing.

Lol see, you can't even define "woke" yet you still throw a tantrum about it because Fox News told you what it is. So, yet again, define "woke" and tell me why you hate it so much.

I think we need to add "autonomy" to the long list of words you use without understanding what they mean, Eris. You should stop hating education and start learning more.

A viable "fetus" is not the same as an infant. It's literally in the definition of the word "infant". A fetus is still reliant on the mother's uterus, which makes forcing the mother to carry it violating her bodily autonomy.

Again, you're still responsible for that person's death and maybe the mother isn't consenting to giving birth. So you're still a murderer then by your own definition. We know that the reason you want to ban abortion is because you're an angry, bible thumping incel though. When it comes to removing a woman's bodily autonomy, you're all for getting rid of it, but when it's yours, then suddenly you are against it.

Lol see, you don't even trust teachers to teach kids and want to ban subjects, but you want to force them to learn how to handle a gun and go full on rambo even though they're all underpaid and overworked. I want them to be safe, not forced to learn how to shoot a gun like a military member despite being underpaid and overworked. You don't care if they die because you hate teachers (because Fox News tells you they're "woke") like a good boomer.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Lol see, you can't even define "woke" yet you still throw a tantrum about it because Fox News told you what it is. So, yet again, define "woke" and tell me why you hate it so much.

woke=social liberalism
It's a euphemism used by cowardly rightoids that are afraid to tell shitlibs that they would like to put in place an authoritarian government to limit degeneracy.
I have no such issues though wink-wink.
We don't hate it.
It's the enemy, and enemies must be crushed, vanquished, humiliated and destroyed.

 

[Hüftpriester]

Lol I answered your questions just fine

You didn't answer my question from some pages back - do you think universal healthcare works well in Scandinavia?

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

So, yet again, define "woke" and tell me why you hate it so much.

How do you not know what a word you've used yourself means, HHH? That's bizarre.

I think we need to add "autonomy" to the long list of words you use without understanding what they mean, Eris.

Keep dodging, Neo.

A viable "fetus" is not the same as an infant.

So if you immediately remove viable offspring from its mother then what distinguishes it from when it was a fetus a moment ago and now that it's called an infant? You just keep citing broad dictionary definitions like a retard.

Pro tio: there is no difference between the, aside from location, it's arbitrarily a fetus inside the mother and an infant outside the mother. But feel free to tell me exactly how that's incorrect, if you can.

A fetus is still reliant on the mother's uterus, which makes forcing the mother to carry it violating her bodily autonomy.

1. A viable fetus is not reliant, that's what makes it viable you autist, if you take out a fetus that's not viable it dies.

2. She consented to procreative acts knowing the possible outcomes and accepted that she may become pregnant, that's consent so her bodily autonomy was freely used to conceive.

Again, you're still responsible for that person's death and maybe the mother isn't consenting to giving birth.

What responsibility do I have to that person? A non-raped mother consented to a baby in her body, she has responsibility to that baby.

Really, tell me what responsibility I have to a stranger, you're telling me I'm responsible for him, so don't be a pussy and explain yourself.

Lol see, you don't even trust teachers to teach kids and want to ban subjects, but you want to force them to learn how to handle a gun and go full on rambo even though they're all underpaid and overworked. I want them to be safe, not forced to learn how to shoot a gun like a military member despite being underpaid and overworked.

There's no correlation between teachers being woke, and them being armed to defend themselves (and students by proxy) if a lunatic shooter breaks into the classroom, you're trying to make one but aren't doing a good job of it.

If you wanted teachers safe you'd give them self-defense weapons, how is it safer for the, not to have guns?

You don't need to be Rambo to shoot a gun. Provide one reason why someone needs to be at a "military" level of proficiency to stop one crazy incel like you who finally snaps.

I know you're seething with rage at how untouchable the Second Amendment is, "shall not be infringed" is rock solid like the cocks you suck. Cope.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

How do you not know what a word you've used yourself means, HHH? That's bizarre.


Keep dodging, Neo.


So if you immediately remove viable offspring from its mother then what distinguishes it from when it was a fetus a moment ago and now that it's called an infant? You just keep citing broad dictionary definitions like a retard.

Pro tio: there is no difference between the, aside from location, it's arbitrarily a fetus inside the mother and an infant outside the mother. But feel free to tell me exactly how that's incorrect, if you can.


1. A viable fetus is not reliant, that's what makes it viable you autist, if you take out a fetus that's not viable it dies.

2. She consented to procreative acts knowing the possible outcomes and accepted that she may become pregnant, that's consent so her bodily autonomy was freely used to conceive.


What responsibility do I have to that person? A non-raped mother consented to a baby in her body, she has responsibility to that baby.

Really, tell me what responsibility I have to a stranger, you're telling me I'm responsible for him, so don't be a pussy and explain yourself.


There's no correlation between teachers being woke, and them being armed to defend themselves (and students by proxy) if a lunatic shooter breaks into the classroom, you're trying to make one but aren't doing a good job of it.

If you wanted teachers safe you'd give them self-defense weapons, how is it safer for the, not to have guns?

You don't need to be Rambo to shoot a gun. Provide one reason why someone needs to be at a "military" level of proficiency to stop one crazy incel like you who finally snaps.

I know you're seething with rage at how untouchable the Second Amendment is, "shall not be infringed" is rock solid like the cocks you suck. Cope.

Every time I ask you to define "woke", you dodge it like it's an education. It is obvious you don't even know what it means, Eris.

Aww, now you're projecting again. You obviously don't know what "viable" means because you are using it incorrectly.

A viable fetus is still inside the mother. It's still reliant on her uterus. You are against removing bodily autonomy when it comes to your organs, but when it's a woman's uterus, you want to remove it. Typical woman hating incel, although you happen to be a religious zealot as well.

You are still refusing to use your organs to save their life, just like a woman would be for a fetus inside of her. Like I said, you want bodily autonomy for yourself, but not women. Just admit you hate women and want to control their bodies, at least that'd be more honest.

Again, you hate teachers and don't trust them to teach children, but you also think overworked and underpaid teachers should have to get a gun, learn how to use it, and go rambo mode if a school shooting happens. It's obvious you have no real solution to stopping mass shootings, Eris, but instead just parrot what you hear on Fox News because your boomer brain can't admit that Fox News was lying to you (just like how they admitted, in court, that they were lying about the voting fraud that your gullible ass believes). And again, the Second Amendment specifically mentions a well-trained militia. Not that you care about rights, anyway, or you wouldn't be trying to remove women's rights to control their own body because you're an angry bible thumping incel

 

[Hüftpriester]

Every time I ask you to define "woke", you dodge it like it's an education. It is obvious you don't even know what it means, Eris.

This is what bugman websites like mother jones and salon are trying to put out there right now - ackshually woke is an abstract concept that doesn't exist in a practical way for most people. Fuck outa here with that shit, you mindless drone. You know what it means.

 

[No. 7 cat]

Dismantle the CIA/FBI

ATF surely and any agency with their scold outlook.

 

[AgendaPoster]

This is what bugman websites like mother jones and salon are trying to put out there right now - ackshually woke is an abstract concept that doesn't exist in a practical way for most people. Fuck outa here with that shit, you mindless drone. You know what it means.

Woke doesn't exist but it is good that we have it

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Every time I ask you to define "woke", you dodge it like it's an education. It is obvious you don't even know what it means, Eris.

Then please educate me if you believe that.

Aww, now you're projecting again. You obviously don't know what "viable" means because you are using it incorrectly.

Let's consult Google then:

Fetal viability is the ability of a human fetus to survive outside the uterus. Medical viability is generally considered to be between 23 and 24 weeks gestational age. Viability depends upon factors such as birth weight, gestational age, and the availability of advanced medical care.

If you have any objections let them be known.

A viable fetus is still inside the mother.

Okay...so is a dead fetus killed through abortion, so what, it's gotta come out dead or alive lmao

You are still refusing to use your organs to save their life, just like a woman would be for a fetus inside of her.

1. They're not my responsibility like a mother's offspring is hers, if she consented.

2. Donating an organ is different than using it.

3. A women's uterus is literally designed for another person's use unlike any of my organs.

4. Surgically removing my organs is unnatural and I don't consent to the process.

Ignore all of these points instead of refuting them because you're a baby killing faggot and a coward pretending to be a troll.

Just admit you hate women and want to control their bodies, at least that'd be more honest.

Just admit you hate women and want to infringe upon their gun rights, at least that'd be more honest.

Again, you hate teachers and don't trust them to teach children, but you also think overworked and underpaid teachers should have to get a gun, learn how to use it, and go rambo mode if a school shooting happens.

AgAiN, what correlation is there between them being bad teachers, and me thinking they should have a gun for self-defense?

It's obvious you have no real solution to stopping mass shootings

You just don't want any solution but to infringe on our rights. The mass shootings you're pretending to worry about account for few overall gun deaths, worry more about your pet niggers and illegals who are making up the vast majority of it.

And again, the Second Amendment specifically mentions a well-trained militia.

Want to try making a point about that...? Or do you just want to say it for no reason like a retarded 50 year old WWF larping virgin, brother?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Then please educate me if you believe that.


Let's consult Google then:



If you have any objections let them be known.


Okay...so is a dead fetus killed through abortion, so what, it's gotta come out dead or alive lmao


1. They're not my responsibility like a mother's offspring is hers, if she consented.

2. Donating an organ is different than using it.

3. A women's uterus is literally designed for another person's use unlike any of my organs.

4. Surgically removing my organs is unnatural and I don't consent to the process.

Ignore all of these points instead of refuting them because you're a baby killing faggot and a coward pretending to be a troll.


Just admit you hate women and want to infringe upon their gun rights, at least that'd be more honest.


AgAiN, what correlation is there between them being bad teachers, and me thinking they should have a gun for self-defense?


You just don't want any solution but to infringe on our rights. The mass shootings you're pretending to worry about account for few overall gun deaths, worry more about your pet niggers and illegals who are making up the vast majority of it.


Want to try making a point about that...? Or do you just want to say it for no reason like a retarded 50 year old WWF larping virgin, brother?

Lol see, you keep dodging defining "woke" like it's a formal education. You can't even define the word but you only tardrage about it because Fox News told your boomer ass that it's bad.

The definition we were debating was "autonomy", not "viability". You said that the fetus was losing it's autonomy because the woman would get an abortion, but legally a fetus doesn't have autonomy. You think a woman should be forced to give up her bodily autonomy to a fetus because you're a woman hating incel.

Donating an organ is no different than forcing a woman to donate hers to a fetus. A woman being forced to give birth is violating her consent if she doesn't want to give birth. You're fine with that, though, because you hate women since they won't have sex with your senile 85 year old ass. I can't say I blame them, either.

You don't trust teachers to teach children, but you trust them with guns around children. That's funny. You're just parroting what Fox News told your boomer ass, because as I said, teachers are already underpaid and overworked, but you want them to be forced to now undergo SWAT-level gun training and go all Rambo mode if there's a mass shooter. If you're gonna be against banning assault rifles, at least say there should be armed guards in a school instead.

You are fine with mass shootings because Fox News told you that guns are good and your autistic brain cannot fathom things that aren't all or nothing.

Lol it's so funny you are projecting your virginity onto me, Eris. Like I said, stop acting like a senile 85 year old man from the year 1955 and maybe a woman would want to associate with you.

 

[AskeDead]

getting rid of the blacks would be a good start

 

[namvata]

guns were far easier to get 60 years ago than they are now yet mass shootings were virtually unheard of back then. Nowadays guns are far more regulated than they were at any point in american history and yet we've had more of these events than any time previously. Perhaps this problem goes deeper than guns and it's a symptom of a society in decay. It's not like mass killings, namely ones in schools, are a uniquely american phenomenon either (no matter what euroniggers would have you believe), in China they have similar crises of school stabbings where people will run into a kindergarten and start stabbing children to death.

I could make the cliche point about "criminals don't follow laws" but I would like to go beyond that and say that gun control is just a broader symptom of anarcho-tyranny. We can't control the streets of Chicago or our own border, but we're gonna send the ATF to murder your wife and kid for having a gun we didn't like. Riot all you want and we will even build statues in honor of a hardened criminal and drug addict, but don't you DARE defend your property from an angry mob that is trespassing on your land, threatening your family, and refusing to leave.

On a side note: I love how HHH is so obsessed with killing babies, giving children HRT, and indoctrinating white kids to hate themselves for the successes of their ancestors that he's somewhat derailed a thread about mass shootings into those topics.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Lol see, you keep dodging defining "woke" like it's a formal education. You can't even define the word but you only tardrage about it because Fox News told your boomer ass that it's bad.

Lol see, you keep dodging defining woke like it's a personal responsibility. You can't even define the word you want me to define, but you only tardrage about it because CNN told your actual boomer ass that it's good.

The definition we were debating was "autonomy", not "viability".

Late-term abortion was the specific point of argument, which means viability must be considered, and you said you support the right to kill fully formed offspring up to the moment of birth because it's "rare". You value autonomy of the mother but not her fully formed offspring.

You said that the fetus was losing it's autonomy because the woman would get an abortion, but legally a fetus doesn't have autonomy.

Slaves didn't "legally" have autonomy either faggot, but you love niggers and hate whites because of it, so maybe realize that an appeal to law fallacy is a stupid defense.

Donating an organ is no different than forcing a woman to donate hers to a fetus.

Impotently insisting that there's no difference doesn't make it so, I've pointed out a number of them you've ignored, which is a tacit admission of defeat.

You don't trust teachers to teach children, but you trust them with guns around children. That's funny.

You can't explain why shitty woke teachers shouldn't have guns for self-defense in these super scary dangerous schools.

You are fine with mass shootings because Fox News told you that guns are good and your autistic brain cannot fathom things that aren't all or nothing.

You are fine with non-whites accounting for the vast majority of gun deaths because CNN told you niggers and illegals are good.

Lol it's so funny you are projecting your virginity onto me, Eris. Like I said, stop acting like a senile 85 year old man from the year 1955 and maybe a woman would want to associate with you.

You call everyone you disagree with an incel, it sounds like you're sexually frustrated. Just buy a hooker.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Lol see, you keep dodging defining woke like it's a personal responsibility. You can't even define the word you want me to define, but you only tardrage about it because CNN told your actual boomer ass that it's good.


Late-term abortion was the specific point of argument, which means viability must be considered, and you said you support the right to kill fully formed offspring up to the moment of birth because it's "rare". You value autonomy of the mother but not her fully formed offspring.


Slaves didn't "legally" have autonomy either faggot, but you love niggers and hate whites because of it, so maybe realize that an appeal to law fallacy is a stupid defense.


Impotently insisting that there's no difference doesn't make it so, I've pointed out a number of them you've ignored, which is a tacit admission of defeat.


You can't explain why shitty woke teachers shouldn't have guns for self-defense in these super scary dangerous schools.


You are fine with non-whites accounting for the vast majority of gun deaths because CNN told you niggers and illegals are good.


You call everyone you disagree with an incel, it sounds like you're sexually frustrated. Just buy a hooker.

Lol aww, the uneducated simpleton still can't define "woke". He just spazes out about it because Fox News told his boomer ass that it was bad.

Late-term abortion should be legal because, again, a woman should have bodily autonomy. You can't be forced to give a kidney to someone with ESRD to save their life, nor should a woman be forced to give her uterus to save a fetus at any point in her pregnancy.

I know you want women to be slaves, Eris, but comparing slaves to women just shows how much of an incel you are.

There's no difference. You want women to be forced to donate their organs to fetuses, but when it comes to your organs, you're against it. Hypocritical evangelicals gonna hypocrite.

Teachers shouldn't need guns for self defense in schools. It's fucked up that they do. Again, you don't trust teachers to teach children and want the state to dictate what they teach them (so much for small government that you republican boomers claim to want), but you want them to be forced to go all Rambo mode if a school shooter happens. I think you just don't want to have to face the fact that some guns should be banned. Your diseased brain is incapable of ever criticizing Republicans, even when they do stuff you claim to be against. You still haven't admitted that Republicans trying to ban birth control was retarded, instead you just bent over backwards to try and weasel out of it. I know you have the worldview of an 85 year old religious zealot, but it's okay to admit when your party does something you're against.

You are an incel, though, Eris. You admitted it. You also want to punish women who have sex because you're upset that none will have sex with you. Nor can I blame them. Like I said, Eris, stop acting like an 85 year old man in the year 1955 and maybe you meet a nice woman. Women aren't into men who remind them of their grandfather

 

[LeroyJenkem]

Woke is just a short-handed way of saying "cultural Marxist"

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Lol aww, the uneducated simpleton still can't define "woke".

If you think so. educate me.

Late-term abortion should be legal because, again, a woman should have bodily autonomy.

Her autonomy is not paramount, and she needs to take personal responsibility for her choices, something you libs hate.

You can't be forced to give a kidney to someone with ESRD to save their life, nor should a woman be forced to give her uterus to save a fetus at any point in her pregnancy.

I have no responsibility to do so for a stranger like the mother does for her offspring, and I have given consent at no point but she has, so nice try baby killer.

I know you want women to be slaves, Eris, but comparing slaves to women just shows how much of an incel you are.

Sounds like more projection to me, maybe that's why you want to infringe on women's gun rights so badly...

There's no difference.

Then you can dismantle the ones I presented, but choose not to right

Teachers shouldn't need guns for self defense in schools. It's fucked up that they do.

I agree, we live in a fallen world, but that's reality, they can shoot back or die.

you don't trust teachers to teach children and want the state to dictate what they teach them (so much for small government that you republican boomers claim to want)

Who should decide what they're taught then, parents? What's even your argument here? You want the government to infringe on gun rights but not stop gay porn from being offered to students, amazing.

You are an incel, though, Eris. You admitted it. You also want to punish women who have sex because you're upset that none will have sex with you.

You are a homosexual pedophile, though, HHH. You admitted it. You want to punish women who have sex by infringing on their gun rights because you're upset that none will have sex with you.

 

[Scipio Neomericanus]

Somebody needs to mass shoot this thread. Any interesting discussion always gets overrun with spergs who can't help but shit it up.

I think there is absolutely something to be said about the frequency of mass shootings, especially school shootings, pre-Columbine and post-Columbine. Mass shootings were pretty damn rare even 30 years ago. I think the way the media handles these shootings is just as much the problem, if not more, than the guns themselves. If you're a loser who wants to become infamous and go out like a martyr, and you have a guaranteed way to make the national news and be talked about in the news cycle ad nauseum, you commit a mass shooting and kill yourself. Many of the shootings that have happened in the last 2 decades that made national (and sometimes international) news have had some sort of manifesto attached to them. I don't think its too far of a leap to assume that the main reason they committed these shootings was for the attention.

A lot of gun control laws being proposed as solutions to the mass shooting problem solve nothing and others are abusable by authority. I think the slippery slope argument definitely applies here too, by the way. Even if you ban autoloading rifles and handguns, someone can still perpetrate a school shooting with something like a brace of lever-action revolvers or something. The only surefire way to stop all mass shootings is to ensure that people have absolutely no access to firearms, which is absolutely ridiculous imo.

In absolute terms, mass shootings are a drop in the ocean when you compare them to total gun deaths. Total annual gun deaths including homicides, suicides and accidents are about the same as annual deaths from car accidents.

Mass shootings are a superinflated issue. If we want to reduce them then the media needs to be pressured to completely change how it approaches reporting. Gun laws shouldn't be out of the question, but they need to be *actually* thought out, not written by some Democratic legislator who has never held a firearm in their life who thinks that banning bump stocks will solve the MS problem.