Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[Nick Obre]

Why do you think it helps your case to mention that you were a CSA victim in response to being accused of being a groomer, as if victims don't have the tendency to victimize others?

You know what they say

Hurt people hurt people

 

[doodoocaca]

I was literally tortured as a child, but I go out of my way to stop it, not perpetuate it. Sure, I'm kinkier than a set of Christmas lights in January, but I'm not chopping anything off of myself or anyone else, involving children in any fucking way whatsoever, or forcing people to play along with any bullshit delusions.

On the other hand I look for actual intimacy, not just "I fucked but now what? Huh???" that so many people do like the oversexed idiots they are. I also found it, but having to unlearn "be doormat, pay for love with sex" and learn "love someone, have boundaries, also sex" kinda sucked.

I hate the "but for the grace of god go I" factor with it all. I knew what normal was, I knew it wasn't okay, I wasn't hoodwinked into thinking it would be better if I got butchered and took pills - it wasn't a thing. Being gay was, I guess, but I had no desire for that in the first place.

I wonder if it's an alienation thing? Disenfranchisement, no support from their families?

 

[Sissyagamben]

We're a broken society that can't or won't care for those who were hurt the most and they're acting out in a maladaptive way. It's just a bit less cringy than CWC, but still comes from being hurt and isolated.

I agree 100%, and the same suffering and crisis is often the exact thing that drives atheists into seeking comfort from religion. We live in a society…(lol) that prioritize licentious and sinful things as the correct way to live and cope. If you are lonely, don’t bother with building a family in your religious community. Here, go snort coke off a guys dick, he’ll even pay you 100 bucks. And it propagates even more hurt, dissolution of families, etc.

The difference is that religion and self control actually work. But being a homosexual prostitute makes your life 100000x worse than it was before. I have sympathy for them, but only to a certain extent. At the end of the day there’s a degree of personal weakness and pride involved that one cant admit she is wrong and give up the life that is killing her physically and spiritually. It’s infinitely easier, initially, to keep doing drugs and sleeping with men for money than to get sober, get a job, and attend church weekly. After that hurdle it becomes infinitely easier to stay on the good path.

Spoiler: Pl

Once they are an adults they are not blameless, and they are accountable for not only their own sufferings but the hurt they cause on others. I know many ppl who came from truly mindblowingly harrowing backgrounds, and I experienced some truly evil things myself growing up to a lesser extent. I understand that compared to people who don’t have that experience we get it way harder. But there are only two ways out: you either grind and bear it and see the light, be it religious or not, or you indulge and sink. I got out of it alive and well, and it made me even less sympathetic of those who sunk.

Being molested as a kid may make someone neurotic and homo nympho, but the hurt that comes from homo nympho is solely the consequence of their own choice, not from their childhood abuser. You can never be unmolested, but you can choose not to be a homo nympho. It’s hard, but not that hard if you are willing to see what that way of life is really doing to you. That’s why Christianity is not about never sinning, but repentance after you sin. It’s an acknowledgement that your own decrepit way of life was no way to live indeed.

At to your last point, I think it’s that feeling that one is kicked out of normal human experiences. And if you haven’t been treated with tenderness, compassion, and respect from your family it’s very difficult to conceptualize true love, even harder to imagine it happening to yourself. You see it for other people, but there’s just this wall between seeing it and really actually understanding and getting it.

 

[doodoocaca]

At to your last point, I think it’s that feeling that one is kicked out of normal human experiences. And if you haven’t been treated with tenderness, compassion, and respect from your family it’s very difficult to conceptualize true love, even harder to imagine it happening to yourself. You see it for other people, but there’s just this wall between seeing it and really actually understanding and getting it.

Troons try to drive wedges if people don't completely enable them. Makes you wonder why.

 

[glass_houses]

Troons try to drive wedges if people don't completely enable them. Makes you wonder why.

Troons are usually some form of cluster b. Cluster Bs control and destroy everything around them, sometimes for fun, sometimes because they genuinely can't figure out why they're incapable of maintaining relationships or just being happy. And they're fundamentally incapable of learning from their mistakes, or at least narcs and bpds are. Psychopaths can learn and that's what makes them so dangerous.

 

[Sissyagamben]

Troons are usually some form of cluster b. Cluster Bs control and destroy everything around them, sometimes for fun, sometimes because they genuinely can't figure out why they're incapable of maintaining relationships or just being happy. And they're fundamentally incapable of learning from their mistakes, or at least narcs and bpds are. Psychopaths can learn and that's what makes them so dangerous.

Have you had that one acquaintance who can never be happy for other ppl and give snarky remarks when they see a couple happy? That’s basically it. They hate to see us normies winning

 

[doodoocaca]

Troons are usually some form of cluster b. Cluster Bs control and destroy everything around them, sometimes for fun, sometimes because they genuinely can't figure out why they're incapable of maintaining relationships or just being happy. And they're fundamentally incapable of learning from their mistakes, or at least narcs and bpds are. Psychopaths can learn and that's what makes them so dangerous.

How much of this, you think, comes from the big lie blowing up in their faces?

I used to live near troons who were like two discount chris-chans who were 'boy mode' (ughhhhhhhhh) most of the time and sometimes hung out with gender queer weirdos every now and then. Fat dumpy bald twats with skullets and no personalities gonna suck to suck.

Let's say the troon is a Natalie Mars type. Wow, you get buttfucked by people who want queer-cred or people who want something exotic or some closet cases, hit the wall, and you're nothing.

Let's say you got the chop. You're FUCKED.

In every single possible fucking outcome you're lied to, led down in irreversible path, and you can't even say you were fucked or you lose what little you do get out of the 'deal'.

Holy fuck already.

 

[Sissyagamben]

How much of this, you think, comes from the big lie blowing up in their faces?

I used to live near troons who were like two discount chris-chans who were 'boy mode' (ughhhhhhhhh) most of the time and sometimes hung out with gender queer weirdos every now and then. Fat dumpy bald twats with skullets and no personalities gonna suck to suck.

Let's say the troon is a Natalie Mars type. Wow, you get buttfucked by people who want queer-cred or people who want something exotic or some closet cases, hit the wall, and you're nothing.

Let's say you got the chop. You're FUCKED.

In every single possible fucking outcome you're lied to, led down in irreversible path, and you can't even say you were fucked or you lose what little you do get out of the 'deal'.

Holy fuck already.

Ik at this point I’m a broken record, but that’s why I think it’s eugenics. You gotta be 1 severely cluster B; 2 Uber autist to go as far as HRT/chop off your tits/get full hysto/
any form of SRS. Other than looping of booba the other “trans medical care” are literally all methods of castration. Lupron is what they use to castrate violent sex offender, a “normal” repeat offender won’t even get that jab. Now they are giving it out like candy to them demographics. Even with “just” booba chop, the ovaries are probably blasted to bits by HRT already and not being able to breast feed is going to at least mentally stop many from trying. Not to mention their desirability to men drops so low. It’s even more incomprehensible than inflicted abuse because they fought viciously to have the procedures done on them. They didn’t just passively accept a lie, they went after ppls livelihood just so they can get castrated. Now even thinking about myself in that situation I want to kms. For them mega challenged folx it’s not gonna be hard to cave in to the voice

You can’t have a more glaring case of “but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him”.

 

[doodoocaca]

My point was more that a kid or foolish, over-trusting adult could get suckered into this and find themselves stuck. There is no way out after you went too far down this route, even if it was "just pills."

AFTER they were damned in this life, is when they double down, and they have to. Look at how detrans are treated.

Shit, let's look this in the face and accept it: lonely, broken men troon out since they correctly realize that at least as far as broken hurt people go, women have it better, in a sense. They don't realize what the sense is or what the cost is - they don't realize it means being a rent girl, and only getting superficial support, but that beats nothing at all.

Indeed, many of them are thinking "ok, change teams, trade body for attention", and would willingly do so, except they aren't women now, they're fucked up men. But they do get attention they didn't have before.

What a fucking shit show.

(And before I forget, pooners)

Hurt women, vulnerable women, with the common post SA/CSA cope of hating their femininity and sex organs which were why they were so hurt, and how they were hurt, trying to "bro out" to be "treated like men" (have the power their abusers wielded) but find out it's a lie.

On the other hand, depooners aren't treated bad, at least if you're as pretty as Chloe Cole is. KC Miller? Manlet, even though she's a woman.

The aristocrats.

 

[deermeat]

How much of this, you think, comes from the big lie blowing up in their faces?

I used to live near troons who were like two discount chris-chans who were 'boy mode' (ughhhhhhhhh) most of the time and sometimes hung out with gender queer weirdos every now and then. Fat dumpy bald twats with skullets and no personalities gonna suck to suck.

Let's say the troon is a Natalie Mars type. Wow, you get buttfucked by people who want queer-cred or people who want something exotic or some closet cases, hit the wall, and you're nothing.

Let's say you got the chop. You're FUCKED.

In every single possible fucking outcome you're lied to, led down in irreversible path, and you can't even say you were fucked or you lose what little you do get out of the 'deal'.

Holy fuck already.

This is why I feel horrible thinking about the people I was close to trooning out. It's like a trainwreck, there's nothing you can do to stop it from happening. There's nothing I can do to bring them to reality. There's nothing I can do period. I can only pray to God, and quite frankly not even God can stop people from the darkness that consumes them. If someone doesn't want to be saved, they can't be saved. But Goddamn, what a horrifying reality.

So many people think "transphobes" are nothing but hateful miserable people. Some are, I mean even I have my hateful phases considering I've gone down radfem rabbit holes. Yet most just find the concept utterly morbid, if anything we hate the people in power for bringing upon another plague onto the western world. Just like they did with the drug and obesity epidemic.
Considering two of the people close to me have literal psychosis, it feels like they died after transitioning. I have no idea the likelihood they will break out of it, but considering they are apart of a hugbox now it feels impossible. Like, what do you even say in regards to that situation? What kind of generation do we live in where stuff like this is happening? I do have hope this will all go away eventually. It always does. There's always that "reset" period in history.

 

[doodoocaca]

I don't hate a troon for trooning. Sure, I seriously don't like Elliot, for being being a rapist. I don't like Keffals for being a grooming embezzling grifting idiot who was used to break the internet, no.

I don't care what they did to their bodies.

I DO care that they're pushing this on young people, lying about the reality of it, fucking up more and more people like themselves, instead of giving people real help.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

You know what they say

Hurt people hurt people

Once saw some balding 50 year old tranny proudly claim "I give eggs the push I wish I had gotten". Basically just grooming at that point. "I hurt so others must too"; same goes for most cults.

 

[FedPostalService]

I can see practically everyone around me peaking. My 90s liberal family will openly and scornfully talk about “trannies.”

A good friend is openly complaining about a coworker who went from an attractive hard working woman to an emotionally unstable they/them layabout.

My bourgsie liberal friend will complain about troons in hushed tones to me.

Everyone is peaking.

But the real issue is it isn’t a voting issue for them. They’ll still vote Labour at the next election. They’ll send their kids to church schools to try and avoid the alphabet nonsense but vote tranny enablers into the councils that will push it at regular state schools.

They’re all being the guy who jumps off a building and says to himself, “so far so good.”

 

[Emo Supremo]

i can't pinpoint any one moment in particular. it was a snowballing effect that started when my ex-girlfriend befriended a xie/xem on livejournal, tapered off as tumblr really got into the gendies frenzy, then picked back up once i started reading accounts of how fucking stupid the tqia+ subsect is between their constant goalpost moving and neurotic whining.

i've been holding trannies at an arms length for a while since, but the farms fully embittered me after i looked into cows like yaniv and saw how they behaved without facing any real, widespread societal consequences. attempts from supporters to disprove otherwise only made things worse; i have a personal cow who has said (among other exceptional things) that autogynephilia doesn't actually exist, guys aren't abusing the trans label to creep on women's bathrooms or hijack women's sports, artificial/transplanted uteruses are medically sound concepts that are totally going to happen in the near future, and that one freak who clearly has a fetish for mommy milkers is a true and honest breastfeeding female that's setting milestones for transwomen.

it's just the constant enabling, infantilizing, and shielding. no one wants to admit that anyone who feels (or claims to feel) that disconnected from and disgusted by their own body obviously has something serious going on that needs proper evaluation to treat the root cause. for example, my personal cow had an incredibly shit childhood, but instead of taking a deeper look to work through that darkness for good, she's beating around the bush by rejecting her biology because why acknowledge the why's and how's when you can cut your hair short and spend taxpayer money on a name change.

 

[doodoocaca]

...an incredibly shit childhood, but instead of taking a deeper look to work through that darkness for good, she's beating around the bush by rejecting her biology because why...

I recently befriended a wonderful person who, indeed, got pressured into pooning for being feminine and short, who also talked about being seen through on Grindr by shitty men who wanted easy lays. She also remarked how awful it is that one can't even mention desisting or de-transitioning, nor the realities of the various irreversible changes one makes along this path. Thankfully for her there were no yeets, skinned arms, or pills in her past.

Upon being offered acceptance and respect it all disappeared, and has not come up since.

 

[Emo Supremo]

I recently befriended a wonderful person who, indeed, got pressured into pooning for being feminine and short, who also talked about being seen through on Grindr by shitty men who wanted easy lays. She also remarked how awful it is that one can't even mention desisting or de-transitioning, nor the realities of the various irreversible changes one makes along this path. Thankfully for her there were no yeets, skinned arms, or pills in her past.

Upon being offered acceptance and respect it all disappeared, and has not come up since.

reminds me of how a longstanding friend of mine has come to terms with the fact she claimed the nonbinary label as a cope. it's hard to be honest with yourself, especially if you fall for a trend like this, but i'll always respect someone infinitely more if they admit it was a band-aid fix instead of going full "it's not a phase mom".

 

[doodoocaca]

It's an old cope to have a proxy that feels feelings for you - IFS therapy (Internal Family Systems) isn't about there being literal inside-out people in your head or DID bullshit, it's just a heuristic. And, indeed, it works, because if you're repressed by trauma, society's bullshit, toxic family, or whatever, those proxies, those characters or "part of you" is quite useful.

The problem is when the spergs escaped containment and started leaking their bullshit into real life and started thinking they totally were these escapist characters or fantasies, and they're not. An escape for fun or to explore something you're too humiliated or stunted or repressed to explore as you are is what it is, potentially useful, but not a reality.

For shame that the troonerpooners want to prey on the weak but here we are.

 

[A Concerned Citizen]

I've been lurking this thread and similar ones for a while, all of this is beyond tiresome to stay silent about.

Trannies swarming traditionally nerdy internet communities is pretty much common knowledge now, with the whole "HRT devastated nerd communities" meme. Before this affected me personally I was fooling myself, thinking I'd never have the displeasure of interacting with the worst types anyway, so whatever. But one day a troon showed up in a community I'm in, and immidiately the quality of the place hit rock bottom. Before the troon trooned, he was the usual "why won't women love me" cluster B type, you don't have to be Columbo to know he did it as some desperate move to get pity pussy. The thing is, ever since he popped up, a majority of people hate him being around, constantly bullying him whenever he speaks, so I guess we're not entirely lost. Regardless of his reputation, we are completely powerless about him, because anyone who'd go deeper than nicely telling him to fuck off would be chastized and immidiately exiled for transphobia and bigotry. I feel like I've been roped into playing pretend with a shut-in sexual deviant, having to entertain his retarded wishes of "respecting the pronouns" just so I could stay and interact with the community. If I even suggested re-thinking his choices during his failure rants (lol), I'd immidiately be crucified by the hive mind hugbox of similar stand-offish social outcast trannies that magically popped up only after he started talking.

That's not even my only horror story, I'm also in a group chat where one tranny suddenly changed his nickname to imply him and the group creator are married, which made me fucking repulsed at how they treat actual people like they are their favorite game character ships and not actual humans.

I hate having to choose between speaking the truth and being called a transphobe bigot and getting thrown out, or having to conform to this sad freak's autogynephilic wishes just so I don't lose contact with everyone else. I hate how they purposefully invade spaces, ruin them and try to seek out "eggs", which itself is something repulsive, and I cannot believe they're so open about this that they have a dedicated meme-y subreddit for it. Apparently grooming vulnerable kids into their axe wound cult is just a laugh and nothing to worry about.

 

[FedPostalService]

These vile creatures on Twitch make my skin crawl. They turn up in a couple of female friends chat and just do the creepy skin walker thing. Reporting them does nothing as the official Twitch jannies will more than likely be troons. Fortunately they’ve followed my advice of just completely ignoring them and they go away. You can’t react to them being perverts or you risk a ban.

Had to cut off some creators I knew as they have a she/they in their community who is a sex pest and I don’t want them following me to other communities.

People need to realise that you tolerate one of these mentally deviants they start inviting more in.

 

[Mark Goldbridge]

Every game community I was apart of became hyper sexualised without any blowback about 4 years ago. This wasn't "oh well boys talk about girls behind their back" stuff, this was porn addicted over the top coomer stuff (btw that word is used by them as an excuse because its "lmao im just a coomer ig")

They intrude and destroy which is bad enough but from my experience they are all just porn addicts plain and simple. It used to be that most porn addicts would get over it and with age could become more mature. Now they're enabled by these freaks and while caught up in that porn addiction phase they do irreversible damage to their mental health and physical health. I feel sympathy because they're usually young white men from the west that are effectively groomed directly or indirectly to do this.