Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[Aunt Carol]

Years ago, I loved the comedian Eddie Izzard, in his "executive transvestite" days. I thought he was hot, with a Tim Curry vibe.

His eyeliner was always too heavy in his standup youth, IMO. Someone still needs to make a supercut of him admitting it's a fetish vs. whatever he's saying now.

(He was good in the 2002 film version of The Revenger's Tragedy, too.)

 

[Danger Hair Don't Care]

His eyeliner was always too heavy in his standup youth, IMO. Someone still needs to make a supercut of him admitting it's a fetish vs. whatever he's saying now.

(He was good in the 2002 film version of The Revenger's Tragedy, too.)

His eyeliner is still the same, except now he's plonked fake lashes on, too. All it does is highlight his eye bags. Sometimes I think he got swept up in the trans nonsense, and other times I think he gleefully embraces it. The audience members around me made sure to loudly to refer to him as "she", and I ran into some scary fuckers in the theater's tiny, basement, "all-gender" restroom.

 

[FedPostalService]

His eyeliner is still the same, except now he's plonked fake lashes on, too. All it does is highlight his eye bags. Sometimes I think he got swept up in the trans nonsense, and other times I think he gleefully embraces it. The audience members around me made sure to loudly to refer to him as "she", and I ran into some scary fuckers in the theater's tiny, basement, "all-gender" restroom.

He‘s been given a chance to live his fetish and walk around with at least a semi 24 hours a day. He’s won the pervert‘s jackpot. Of course he’s embracing the gender nonsense.

 

[deermeat]

When will people realize that they need to peak in order to be truly against the injustices trans nonsense causes?
People who support Blaire White miss the point. If trans exists, then they exist. Why isn't HRT bad for minors if being trans is a medical condition? Why can't men play against women in sports if they were really born in the wrong body? What's wrong with being able to change your birth certificate if you were born wrong? What's wrong with IDing as a homosexual/heterosexual if you were born wrong? What's wrong with the surgeries if they were born wrong?

Personally, I think you can do whatever you want with your body or identity but demanding people to go along with it is the problem. Thats why trans is nonsense, it is inherently based on the idea that you could be born "wrong". If HRT is acceptable for some, then that implies sex is changeable because otherwise that person is merely injecting themselves with useless chemicals.

They're so close to this revelation but they just aren't quite there yet. There is NO credible science supporting the notion that gender exists. None. Absolutely none. Everything that indicates its existence is based solely on social values and outward appearance which is reinforced by stereotypes or straight up mental illness/kinks.
There is no "real" trans person. All the problems we are dealing with today is a direct result of entertaining the idea that being trans exists. Just because some aren't as morally corrupt doesn't mean its a real thing.

 

[Abella]

I peaked by watching men that called themselves lesbians act like insufferable faggots while limp wrist numales stood at the sidelines and cheered them on.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

When will people realize that they need to peak in order to be truly against the injustices trans nonsense causes?
People who support Blaire White miss the point. If trans exists, then they exist. Why isn't HRT bad for minors if being trans is a medical condition? Why can't men play against women in sports if they were really born in the wrong body? What's wrong with being able to change your birth certificate if you were born wrong? What's wrong with IDing as a homosexual/heterosexual if you were born wrong? What's wrong with the surgeries if they were born wrong?

Personally, I think you can do whatever you want with your body or identity but demanding people to go along with it is the problem. Thats why trans is nonsense, it is inherently based on the idea that you could be born "wrong". If HRT is acceptable for some, then that implies sex is changeable because otherwise that person is merely injecting themselves with useless chemicals.

They're so close to this revelation but they just aren't quite there yet. There is NO credible science supporting the notion that gender exists. None. Absolutely none. Everything that indicates its existence is based solely on social values and outward appearance which is reinforced by stereotypes or straight up mental illness/kinks.
There is no "real" trans person. All the problems we are dealing with today is a direct result of entertaining the idea that being trans exists. Just because some aren't as morally corrupt doesn't mean its a real thing.

Even TERFs have this tendency, to be supportive of troons who just so happen to be less batshit crazy or degenerate than most other troons.

To the point where Women Are Human had to call this out.

There can be no compromise with troons, period.

 

[Not A Bunny]

Personally, I think you can do whatever you want with your body or identity but demanding people to go along with it is the problem.

I wouldn't even mind people being trans if they could be bothered to acknowledge the reality: that no matter how many surgeries or drugs they take, they still have the body they were born with, one that they're going to be fighting against until they're dead. You can't tell your body at the cellular level that it isn't what it's programmed to be.

Fine if you want to look different, but looking different and being able to change your body into something it never was or can be are two entirely mindsets, with the second being entirely fucking delusional.

 

[Peaches the Wonder Cat]

I wouldn't even mind people being trans if they could be bothered to acknowledge the reality: that no matter how many surgeries or drugs they take, they still have the body they were born with, one that they're going to be fighting against until they're dead. You can't tell your body at the cellular level that it isn't what it's programmed to be.

Fine if you want to look different, but looking different and being able to change your body into something it never was or can be are two entirely mindsets, with the second being entirely fucking delusional.

I used to feel this way. Not any more. The nice troons are a gateway drug to the crazy ones.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

I wouldn't even mind people being trans if they could be bothered to acknowledge the reality: that no matter how many surgeries or drugs they take, they still have the body they were born with, one that they're going to be fighting against until they're dead. You can't tell your body at the cellular level that it isn't what it's programmed to be.

Fine if you want to look different, but looking different and being able to change your body into something it never was or can be are two entirely mindsets, with the second being entirely fucking delusional.

There's a french guy going by alien project who is into extreme body modification and has been turning himself into a weird alien creature. Even that guy is not as dellusional as the average tranny. In interviews he says he knows he is not an actual alien or anything like that and he understand people being shocked and not liking it, he acknowledge its just a personal desire and form of self expression of his wanting to look like that and doesn't promote it precisely because its so personal and so extreme.

I probably wouldn't want a loved one to turn into the Alien Project,( that guy literally had his own fingers amputated for the look), but on principle is a much more respectable position than trans ideology simply because it doesn't involve the rest of the world, its just his own excentric behaviour.

 

[GenderCop]

When will people realize that they need to peak in order to be truly against the injustices trans nonsense causes?
People who support Blaire White miss the point. If trans exists, then they exist. Why isn't HRT bad for minors if being trans is a medical condition? Why can't men play against women in sports if they were really born in the wrong body? What's wrong with being able to change your birth certificate if you were born wrong? What's wrong with IDing as a homosexual/heterosexual if you were born wrong? What's wrong with the surgeries if they were born wrong?

Personally, I think you can do whatever you want with your body or identity but demanding people to go along with it is the problem. Thats why trans is nonsense, it is inherently based on the idea that you could be born "wrong". If HRT is acceptable for some, then that implies sex is changeable because otherwise that person is merely injecting themselves with useless chemicals.

They're so close to this revelation but they just aren't quite there yet. There is NO credible science supporting the notion that gender exists. None. Absolutely none. Everything that indicates its existence is based solely on social values and outward appearance which is reinforced by stereotypes or straight up mental illness/kinks.
There is no "real" trans person. All the problems we are dealing with today is a direct result of entertaining the idea that being trans exists. Just because some aren't as morally corrupt doesn't mean its a real thing.

Various terfs keep saying that we should compare it to religions. There are all kinds of flaky religions like Scientology, so this actually makes sense.

There is legal precedent for that in USA:

You can have your beliefs, but no, you can't have nativity scenes on public property & I do not have to genuflect to your god. There are retail workers who refused to say "Merry Christmas" to customers on the job & threatened to take it to court. Etc.

In the same way, I refuse to call people s/he when they clearly are not, that is obv a religious belief since it is a fantasy concept not based in material reality.

If they pass (they don't, but let's pretend for sake of argument), then how would I know and who cares? If they are women, basic women's rights should be sufficient to cover them. Unless they really aren't women. (I see "trans rights" demands as an admission most CAN'T pass, since existing rights cover everyone already)

Like religion, let's take it to SCOTUS: must we genuflect to these ppl's belief that their soul is somehow a girl? Can someone claim "I do not believe in gender and should not have to pretend I have a belief I don't have?" like refusing to say Merry Christmas on the job?

Argue the case & let's see the legal decision.

Didn't UK do a similar thing and pronounced terfs "allowed to have their beliefs" (Maya Forstatler?) or something like that?
Don't fully understand UK laws, but USA & Canada need to rule similarly.

 

[Thursday]

Personally, I think you can do whatever you want with your body or identity but demanding people to go along with it is the problem.

This is almost entirely my issue with trans people. I didn't care when I wasn't forced to adhere to literally denying reality. Beyond them being mostly pornsick perverts, I just hate pretending biology doesn't mean anything anymore.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

In the same way, I refuse to call people s/he when they clearly are not, that is obv a religious belief since it is a fantasy concept not based in material reality.

It goes back to this comment I made:

The funny thing is, the last thing troons want to do is to equate their "struggles" to that of religious groups.

They want to base it upon "science" or secular, materialistic basis. They will fight tooth and nail to do so, even if there is no scientific basis for it, they'll just pull stuff out of their stinkditch if they have to.

If it's a religious issue, then they'd be honest about the fact that "gender identity," if it truly deserves any respect or consideration at all, is a metaphysical or religious issue. However, if it's a religious issue, then it would also follow that other people have the freedom from said religion.

Meaning that if one's right to play stupid and be willfully confused about their gender is to be upheld on religious grounds, then the right to criticize gender ideology, to not play along with autogynephilic games of pretend, to tell these retards YWNBARW to their faces, would also be upheld just as much.

That is absolutely something they cannot abide by. A christian might get testy if you criticize his religion, he may even call you a bigot depending on context. But he certainly won't kill himself over it, or suicide bait others to stop people from criticizing his religion. Even fundamentalists have more mental fortitude than that.

However, a tranny will suicide bait to get his way.

There is no middle ground. Either we force these people to stop being fucktards on pain of incarceration in a padded cell, or they force us to play along with their fetishes.

While it is religious by nature, they cannot abide by gender ideology being reclassified as a religion, because it imposes restrictions upon them like not being able to suicide bait other people into playing along.

Even a religion, even a fundie-tier religion you can take or leave. But troons cannot take or leave transgenderism because it's either a mental illness or an addictive behavior (or both) that prevents them from being able to function, a mental illness that makes them dangerous towards themselves and others.

 

[grimacefetishist]

It's all the doomerism around transness and how horrible and murdered and endangered they are. Ignoring the fact that that's only in countries that already have high rates of femicide. Maybe there is a bigger issue? No, it's the cis who are wrong.

 

[Your_deadname_here]

I thought I was there. But the death of the girl in OK has sublimated my disdain into something beyond. Just witnessing the way they use this child's warm corpse to bolster their way of living, the complete narcissistic demand to bend the narrative to fit their needs. They way they badgered her grandparents to fucking change the child's name on their grave. The fact that THEY NEED the child to be "murdered" and nothing less. The fact that they feel if reality is inconvenient to them at a given time, then reality needs to change or they aren't comfortable. Watching their reporters phrase facts to mislead and obsfuscate. Their inability to see another perspective, and the unwillingness to try. And the demands, the incessant demands. If we gave them everything they wanted, it still would not be enough.

 

[Not A Bunny]

I thought I was there. But the death of the girl in OK has sublimated my disdain into something beyond. Just witnessing the way they use this child's warm corpse to bolster their way of living, the complete narcissistic demand to bend the narrative to fit their needs. They way they badgered her grandparents to fucking change the child's name on their grave. The fact that THEY NEED the child to be "murdered" and nothing less. The fact that they feel if reality is inconvenient to them at a given time, then reality needs to change or they aren't comfortable. Watching their reporters phrase facts to mislead and obsfuscate. Their inability to see another perspective, and the unwillingness to try. And the demands, the incessant demands. If we gave them everything they wanted, it still would not be enough.

And if the results aren't what they want, it's a conspiracy theory by those MAGA-tards to keep our poor widdle twans twink oppressed even in death.

I hope this incident makes more people intolerant of the trans way of thinking.

 

[Your_deadname_here]

Things like this:

 

[Your_deadname_here]

For some reason I wasn't able to edit my last comment, but the screenshot is a perfect example of confirmation bias. The breast milk study was conducted on a single person. The sample was not collected, rather it was provided from a house where the woman was also breastfeeding. The volume collected daily is far below the amount needed to sustain nutritional health. You'll see some woman in the cap say the man's puss was "better". That's misleading. The study said some of the numbers by comparison were higher in the male's puss. Yes, it was higher in fat at 6-7%. In fact, that amount of fat can be to the baby's detriment causing GI distress. The normal fat content is 3-4%.

 

[deermeat]

For some reason I wasn't able to edit my last comment, but the screenshot is a perfect example of confirmation bias. The breast milk study was conducted on a single person. The sample was not collected, rather it was provided from a house where the woman was also breastfeeding. The volume collected daily is far below the amount needed to sustain nutritional health. You'll see some woman in the cap say the man's puss was "better". That's misleading. The study said some of the numbers by comparison were higher in the male's puss. Yes, it was higher in fat at 6-7%. In fact, that amount of fat can be to the baby's detriment causing GI distress. The normal fat content is 3-4%.

A misleading trans study??? Pushed as fact because of confirmation bias??? Noooo, that never happens!
Literally every trans study is bullshit regardless due to the theory itself being nonsensical and holding no ground. If something can be debunked by objective reality and simple thought experiments, no amount of studies proving its "existence" is valid.
It's just like fat acceptance and their studies. You can't magically proclaim an idea as real if its built on nothing to sustain it. But of course, since all of this is a ploy pushed by corporations in order to profit, people eat it up with no critical thought.

 

[Albicilla]

When you look at countries that have the equivalent of many western societies' trans people classed as essentially "third gender", their GNC/trans people are a lot more well-adjusted/integrated into society as a result. I think the pathologisation, this idea of wrongness is what makes for example, aglosphere trans people so antisocial and mentally ill. My friend explained about these societies that, because the expectation for them to transition sexes is removed, they're a lot less dysphoric and they aren't expected to look a certain way: transition is on their own terms. True revulsion of one's sex ala Dany Racine (who from a young age couldn't even touch her own dick to wash it) has always been clinically rare, but you see this type of dysphoria being induced on trans people as they transition. You look at the SRS thread or SRS posts and the reason so many TiMs who had no bottom dysphoria acquire it, is because they're performing for other people/trying to pass. They talk about the pain of tucking, the paranoia over a random erection, the TSA questioning them and having to reveal that they're trans. Doctors will also sell this treatment hardcore, like they did to Ritchie Herron who refused surgery several times. Trans people will prop this up as the gold standard of transition as well, and drive other trans people to do it. This expectation to "pass" and perform, not for themselves, but for others, and lies being spread to them by other idealogues and doctors is what's driving the SRS train.

Trans people will try to twist the definition of "men" and "women", because unknowingly, they're operating under that same bad framework that disallows gender non-conformity. They hate femboys and butches, because despite many of them also being dysphoric and engaging in body modification, they accept their sex and don't want to argue to fit into a category that was simply meant to describe adult human female/male. They modify their bodies for themselves, their own expression and comfort. This uprising of femboys/sissies/shemales and butches serves as existential terror and they accuse said GNC people of "transphobia" and repression because they 1) don't find themselves acceptable 2) want to indoctrinate as many people into their ideology as possible 3) want those people to be miserable like them instead of taking up the perspective of sex just being a physical reality and expression both aesthetic and behavioural being on their own terms.

Spoiler: when I peaked

I started to peak after dating a TiM who had some strange ideas of what it meant to be normal, and a lot of internalised homophobia. With me, they'd call themselves by male terms, but if they were thinking of men, they'd wish they were a woman. They were definitely more of a feminine person, but couldn't figure out what they actually wanted to do with that, only knew they wanted to be "normal". Either a typical man or a full woman. They were kicked out by their parents when they came out and have been struggling since, but their hyper conservative and physically abusive upbringing and complete social isolation growing up has warped them a lot. They said that their shyness and naturally efette looking body (can't gain weight no matter how much they eat, so no muscle either; also narow shoulders) was abnormal and proof that they "shouldn't be a guy". I also met a lot TiFs in our group that said that butch women were less women than TiMs who bimbofy themselves, saying they should just all be trans men, making what a man or woman is into a performace.

Also, another friend of mine whose a TiM whom I love very much and consider them my best friend, said that since bottom dysphoria is rare, they wonder if it was their constant bullying, stigma, and the mutilation they underwent as an infant to remove their intersex traits that made them hate their genitals. They didn't know why there was neuropathy and scarring down there until they got their medical records at emancipation, because doctors kept it a secret. Their mother also abused them over their medical condition, despite not telling them about it. They confided this in me and my friend I mentioned at the beginning after the other friend mentioning how surgery on your junk leads to neuropathy (the original surgery he mentioned that he expanded into all genital surgeries was for phimosis). I left for a bit and the both of them started talking about how intersex TiM was on the waiting list for SRS, and maybe they wouldn't need it, but they feel repulsed with themself. Other friend said since the waiting list is so long, they'd have more time to think about it, and would possibly change their mind. Intersex TiM was calm and relieved to talk about all of this. I felt relieved that they were having second thoughts/considering working through and trying out new perspectives, because I really don't want said friend to destroy their health or their several year long relationship due to this "surgery".

All of this just makes me wish for a more balanced perspective and acceptance of varied expression. I don't have an issue with body mods outside of the genital ones; I have an issue with the ideas around these things. All of us in our GC have varying degrees of dysphoria, but only one has transitioned in any way while us other two are kinda like "it's not worth it to modify those one or two things we feel bad about".

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

When you look at countries

Those aren't our countries or cultures. We can reject them out of hand, and do.

that have the equivalent of many western societies' trans people classed as essentially "third gender", their GNC/trans people are a lot more well-adjusted/integrated into society as a result.

Third gender exists so men can fuck men without being gay, and a man can dress as a woman and be a prostitute without being killed for being a fag. It's more common in societies with rigid gender roles, because they can't accept two men having sex without one of them crossdressing. It's not dignified nor enlightened.

I think the pathologisation, this idea of wrongness is what makes for example, aglosphere trans people so antisocial and mentally ill.

If you're mentally ill you're mentally ill. It's not an "idea of wrongness". It's a proven theory. People can live how they want but they need the tenacity to live knowing people disagree with them. They shouldn't make demands of normal, sane people.

My friend explained about these societies that, because the expectation for them to transition sexes is removed, they're a lot less dysphoric and they aren't expected to look a certain way: transition is on their own terms.

Hijra all dress like women. They dress to attract men to give them money for sex. They're some of the poorest, most desperate people on earth, which is why they're streetshitter tranny hookers.

All of this just makes me wish for a more balanced perspective and acceptance of varied expression.

Not every issue can meet in the middle. This is one.