Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[CorporateMemphis]

It's probably because people with alternative lifestyles associate with people with alternative lifestyles. That is, everyone who has some belief that they're sticking it to the normies will probably find other people who engage in different flavors of sticking it to the normies and then adopt each others' dumb lifestyle choices.

I'm not saying we all have to conform to the same lifestyle. It's just that sometimes people who don't tend to act like they've discovered some profound truth in nonconformity, almost to the point of shunning anything normal.

TL;DR: if you choose the weirdo life, it ain't gonna stop at one version of weird.

I can relate to this. I was an angry and alienated teenager and felt that the materialistic values of our society were corrupt, so despite growing up in a comfortable middle class family, I joined a Trotskyist groupuscule and went dumpster-diving for food for a while. I enjoyed calling my housemates "comrade", going to protests, talking about what Lenin would have done in this situation, etc. I had a social life and felt like I was doing something important. I enjoyed the idea of living the life of an ascetic. I gradually realised I was a deluded poser and that Marxist-Leninist groups were cults. If I'd been born 30 years later, maybe I'd have taken up a gender identity as well, just to top it all off.

In a liberal democracy some people are going to be weirdos. Just don't encourage them to cut off healthy body parts or engage in other forms of self-harm.

 

[TruffleSpark]

How do you differentiate between a "woman-born-in-a-male-body" and "male-fetish-obsessed-sissy-bottom"?
Sure, people may say transgenderism is a real thing, and maybe they're right. But how can you tell a transgender person apart from a sex-pest?

Footnote: I don't mean to be rude, I'm 100% serious. How can you tell them apart?

 

[Chandelier]

Honestly for me it was both Jessica Yaniv and Bill C-16, the bill that made misgendering illegal and that Theryn Meyer testified against before going full Troon retard (recall how ContraPoints adored him). Bill C-16 and compelled speech is what propelled Jordan Peterson to popularity. Before he was really a nobody. Now he's losing his license. Anyways, that's where it began. Oh, and Lauren Southern getting piss thrown on her by a tranny. Rebel News propelled both to stardom. Then Amy Eileen Hamm got hammered for stating women don't have dicks.

Since then it was off and on, but the peaking really started in 2017. Then the "don't worry, they'll grow up once they enter the real world" kids became political activists and lawyers like Alex Caraballo. I noticed the tumblr gender shit begin in 2014, and all those terms that originated then are commonplace now. All those quirky white girls liking SuperWhoLock and writing fanfic were coming out as non binary or trans. I recall one fanfic on FFnet, in Fear The Walking Dead of all places, have an enby original character in 2015. Said character was notable for having her gecko piss on her.

Since then, that shit is everywhere. One Piece right now is inundated with it, and in Our Flag Means Death, the fandom TROONED OUT an actress playing a GNC character. If I wasn't peaked, I'd sure as hell be now.

 

[deermeat]

Since then it was off and on, but the peaking really started in 2017. Then the "don't worry, they'll grow up once they enter the real world" kids became political activists and lawyers like Alex Caraballo. I noticed the tumblr gender shit begin in 2014, and all those terms that originated then are commonplace now. All those quirky white girls liking SuperWhoLock and writing fanfic were coming out as non binary or trans. I recall one fanfic on FFnet, in Fear The Walking Dead of all places, have an enby original character in 2015. Said character was notable for having her gecko piss on her.

Seeing all the people I knew in 2014 who trooned out. They are still troons. It wasn't a phase. And their lives are way worse now than before.
Maybe a powerlevel? But the one artist I really liked as a kid, Bluekyokitty, she trooned out around that time. She was always a tomboy. Ever since she trooned out, her art degraded as fuck. It's actually crazy how much it degraded. Embraced being a NSFW furry too, embraced the "omg a kinky lifestyle is perfectly normal" nonsense. Considering she's a coomer furry in an alt left space, I wouldn't be surprised if she was exposed as a zoophile.

It's sad because I really looked up to her as a kid.

 

[ロボ﹏§¤r﹏h¶rœ]

Seeing all the people I knew in 2014 who trooned out. They are still troons. It wasn't a phase. And their lives are way worse now than before.
Maybe a powerlevel? But the one artist I really liked as a kid, Bluekyokitty, she trooned out around that time. She was always a tomboy. Ever since she trooned out, her art degraded as fuck. It's actually crazy how much it degraded. Embraced being a NSFW furry too, embraced the "omg a kinky lifestyle is perfectly normal" nonsense. Considering she's a coomer furry in an alt left space, I wouldn't be surprised if she was exposed as a zoophile.

It's sad because I really looked up to her as a kid.

Feel free to add her here:

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[Teghern]

For me, it was in the wage cage when a 50+ older man came to use the counter, other than the wig and the chestplate and the dress etc it was a typical quick "how you doing friend nice day isn't it" cigarette run. After we were done and it was back to the waging for me, he started chatting to an XX chromoned co-worker about how fun it was wearing heels and how it was something "just us girls" could appreciate and all that crap, a good 20 minutes later (strictly forbidden from ordering non-crackheads to fuck off sadly) he then hobbled away with a fresh groin bulge he made sure to point at us all on the way out.
People like that had always been off putting but this interaction burned contempt into me.

At this point I just want to know when everyone is going to collectively peak on this enough to make it okay to call them mentally ill sex pests publicly without getting canceled.

It's already reached the tipping point gravity just hasn't quite sprung into action yet, TERF island of all places now has it enshrined in common law that what is defined as "gender critical" is a "protected characteristic" now, amusingly it's under the same equality legislation that mummy Farrow and the like suffer under.
>https://archive.md/dLClV
Not respecting pronouns is legally protected so long as you come up with a decent enough excuse now, it's still bullshit that it's a privilege that has to be earned by virtue of "legitimately held belief" but it's really the best we can expect from the land of sillywigs, hopefully the mutts will further innovate on this.

 

[Jhonson the Two]

I have always had a doubt since the Tumblr fever protect-the-gay-to protect-the-trans pipeline, but never really peaked, it was rather instances of lucidity on all the scientific incongruences, but I'm so used of people being stupid about science so I was indiferrent to it like "meh it will calm down and rebalance itself like the bisexual teen phase". But that wasn't the case, and the itch in the back of my head that this bullshit was a little weird grew even bigger. Still didn't peaked because I was convinced it will stay on internet.

Like many others, it was an encounter in real life. While I was shopping at the convenience store near my university and putting my food on the checkout belt. In front of me was the stereotype of the man who had tried to wear makeup and dress like a woman and who had failed miserably, you see the auntie cliché in satyre movies? Well that but 1m80 tall with apparent muscles. Our eyes met and I smiled because I'm this kind of bitch who smile per default. It could have ended there but nope, he waited for me to finish to pay. He wanted to thanks me because no one ever smiled to him like that, and while weird it was still sweet. He was having a bad time.
The red flag came when he began to follow me to talk about girly stuff that "only we can undertsand right?" and asking where I live and all the classic stuffs guys you don't want to talk with do. And I have to lie the same way to shake him of.
Not really scary but that's when I said to myself "he's really just a guy in a dress huh".
The real nail in the coffin is when my female "friends" in the Uni lgbt association said to me it was transphobe to reject a man in a wig an honest trans woman after i told them the story. After that I was deemed the black sheep of the group, tried to bully me, some even insulted me because I was a Terfy coward (???) for dating a guy while bi. I was obviously the wrong kind of lgbt.
So I did some intensive research because I was pissed off about all this stupid shit and boi what a rabbit hole it was. Then I ended up on Kiwifarms because of Yaniv lol.

 

[FedPostalService]

The real nail in the coffin is when my female "friends" in the Uni lgbt association

Ah, uni gays who being gay is their entire personality because there is literally nothing else too them.

As an arsey straight guy I’ve been lucky enough to mainly meet great gays and lesbians. I’m old enough to have been around when the T was suddenly added to the LGB society posters. I’ve only started seeing troons in the wild recently, and as Gandalf said, none shall pass.

I’d hate to see what they’re like nowadays.

 

[Flaming_Barghast]

My understanding currently is that some people may be born with the "wrong body" compared to their sex. And that's fine - If you're a lady in a male body or a gentleman in a female body, I can understand the stress from this,

But where I stop my understanding is where these people are willing to permanently disfigure their bodies because of this. If you're born in a male body, if you're born in a female body, you have the parts you have. Any surgery is just going to leave you a mutilated freak of a person. I can't fathom wanting that.

Many trans people have autism or ocd, both have manic episodes and periods of hyperfixations. Without therapy, this can become incredibly destructive, very fast. It's the same people that only a generation ago would have mutilated their skin scratching at it for the "clean" (new) skin underneath, or pull all their hair out an eat it.
Autism is you just decide something and nothong will change your mind, both are very unfortunate, and make people ripe for grooming.

This is far from any factual grounding on a larger scale, just my small experience with someone "truly" trans.
They were a ftm, they passed remarkably well, enough I dodn't notice, it helped they were taller than average at like 5'9, they were fat but also worked out, so their shoulders didn't look feminine. I only found out when we were starting ro get serious because they didn't get the surgery, this lead to a long conversation that changed how I viewed things.
-They figured it out after attempting suicide
-they had OD'd and watched their "female self" die
-history of sexual abuse
-professed major anxiety and depressive disorder
-history of self harming before their transition.

I will say I think they're one of very few who became better after transitioning, they weren't as ruled by fears, took better care of themselves, and stopped self harming/drugs. This could have been done without transitioning but they seemed genuinely happy. They weren't part of the lgbt groups, just interested in cars, pokemon go, and terania (or whatever that psudo minecraft game is)
One thing that stuck out to me was when I asked if they would ever get the surgery, they said no. When I asked why, they said "I am like this purely from mental illness, I know I will never be a real man, but I'm okay with looking and acting like one. Those surgeries are mutilations I'm not willing to do to myself, we already barely know anything about womens reproductive health, how the fuck are they going to turn that into a working dick when I don't even have the right tissue for it?"

I asked if it bothered them that they'd probably struggle to find an SO if we broke up (we did) they said no, they came to peace with it pretty immediately and would rather live single and happy living the way they did than being in a relationship and resentful of thwir own existance.

 

[SpiderBitch]

For years I tried so hard to force myself to believe these people were true and honest men/women/nonbinary, (mentally) correcting myself and others, etc, but it was just impossible to make myself believe something so obviously untrue.

Even if I made myself believe during the day, whenever a trans appeared in my sleep they would either be back to normal, or they would be identifying as trans but dream me would just not remotely buy it, despite awake me being a sjw.

Spoiler

Pooners/female enbies are just so obviously mentally ill tomboys (often not even that), attention seeking non-dysphoric women, or confused butch lesbians. Male troons and enbies are just so obviously flamboyant homosexuals, loser neets, creeps or a combination.
Especially having been a former gender questioning tumblrite I can see how easy it is to fall into this kinda stuff.

Also the deranged reactions on Rowlings milquetoast statements and the wizard game, superstraight etc made sure I never take a single complaint they have seriously anymore.

 

[y a t s]

All those quirky white girls liking SuperWhoLock and writing fanfic were coming out as non binary or trans.

lol this has me choking on my tea. I knew one of these types in high school—a cute Christian girl. She was into Harry Potter (lol), Doctor Who, and Sherlock, along with Homestuck; a complete turbo autist. She now goes by some retarded sounding name, has a really bad short hair cut, rejects Christ, and owns multiple capes. The writing was on the wall, really.

Pooners/female enbies are just so obviously mentally ill tomboys (often not even that), attention seeking non-dysphoric women, or confused butch lesbians.

I think the girl I mentioned above is a crazy hybrid between mentally ill from childhood abuse and confused dyke. Her father was a real piece of shit, so she had a very bad view of men for a long while. It was to the point where being in spaces/groups with men made her seriously anxious. It makes perfect sense why she is the way that she is now, and I am glad I got out of there when I did. It was around the time she grew out her bangs and started referring to God as a woman.

Nice avatar btw

Many trans people have autism or ocd, both have manic episodes and periods of hyperfixations. Without therapy, this can become incredibly destructive, very fast. It's the same people that only a generation ago would have mutilated their skin scratching at it for the "clean" (new) skin underneath, or pull all their hair out an eat it.
Autism is you just decide something and nothong will change your mind, both are very unfortunate, and make people ripe for grooming.

This is far from any factual grounding on a larger scale, just my small experience with someone "truly" trans.
They were a ftm, they passed remarkably well, enough I dodn't notice, it helped they were taller than average at like 5'9, they were fat but also worked out, so their shoulders didn't look feminine. I only found out when we were starting ro get serious because they didn't get the surgery, this lead to a long conversation that changed how I viewed things.
-They figured it out after attempting suicide
-they had OD'd and watched their "female self" die
-history of sexual abuse
-professed major anxiety and depressive disorder
-history of self harming before their transition.

This is a big concern of mine. Many unhappy people take a grass is always greener approach to "fixing" their problems, ultimately and inevitably to their detriment. A great deal of their thinking boils down to "If only I were something I'm not. Then I would be happy." Abuse, especially in childhood, warps our perceptions of how normal people are and behave. The girl I mentioned is a clear example of this, where she has a warped view of men from years of psychological abuse. Autism affects the ways we view human social dynamics, the roles of men and women, etc. and I believe this plays a major role in the autism correlation.

When even normies are very susceptible to the quick fix mindset, I am especially hesitant to go along with the delusions of the mentally ill when there are better things they could try first to improve their situations. 99% of depression is situational with a behavioral element, and improving one's circumstances is the only fix; not some pill or dick chopping. If someone has made a decent effort and still wants to go through with this, I have much less of a problem with it.

Perhaps the person you were describing was having a vision of their optimistic, innocent self dying as life dealt her a particularly cruel hand. Our brains often tell us more than we think, letting us know what we need to help ourselves process, but it's hidden behind hundreds of layers of metaphors and analogies. Just a thought; I don't have anything else to add to this.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

I noticed the tumblr gender shit begin in 2014, and all those terms that originated then are commonplace now. All those quirky white girls liking SuperWhoLock and writing fanfic were coming out as non binary or trans. I recall one fanfic on FFnet, in Fear The Walking Dead of all places, have an enby original character in 2015. Said character was notable for having her gecko piss on her.

"meh it will calm down and rebalance itself like the bisexual teen phase".

Semi related tangent, but I can recall in the late 2000s, on goth subforums, there were groups of "vampires" who had their own subcultures, tribes, or whatever you wanted to call it (people were big on the psychic vampire phenomena) that kind of reminds me of tumblr in 2014 and all the sub-sexual groups or identities or whatever.

The thought was that these people would grow out of it, some people did, some didnt- but the big difference is that faggy psychic lemurian vampires were never treated seriously, the same way two spirit final fantasy folk who were reincarnated from video games wernt,

but troons have their own political movement that actually enables the insanity. Thats the big problem

 

[FedPostalService]

Semi related tangent, but I can recall in the late 2000s, on goth subforums, there were groups of "vampires" who had their own subcultures, tribes, or whatever you wanted to call it (people were big on the psychic vampire phenomena) that kind of reminds me of tumblr in 2014 and all the sub-sexual groups or identities or whatever.

The thought was that these people would grow out of it, some people did, some didnt- but the big difference is that faggy psychic lemurian vampires were never treated seriously, the same way two spirit final fantasy folk who were reincarnated from video games wernt,

but troons have their own political movement that actually enables the insanity. Thats the big problem

Pretending vampires were a very real and marginalised group would have been so much more fun.

 

[sdfdfdfd :DD]

Today I feel like all this has actually made me genuinely mad so I'm inspired to make this post.
For years now I've been sort of watching the insanity quietly happen before my eyes. I am a huge nerd, and thus have found home in a couple of nerd communities, and my best friends are all big nerds. Nothing wrong with that of course. But it means that this affects my circles more and more every moment.
I really have no ill will towards people who troon out, I do feel like they are victims more than anything. These people who already hate themselves don't need more hate in my opinion, but they also don't need validation for their delusions. (Although I have no sympathy for those who aggressively start trying to get others to troon out after they have. Surely if it was such a horrible mental disease you wouldn't wish it on anyone). I moreso hate the system that allows it and promotes it.
I can see why some lonely nerd (or a person with OCD such as myself) would feel like it's something they need to do when tranny spaces tell them "Become the girlfriend" or "If you've ever wished you were a girl it means you're tranny in the brain and the only cure is growing gyno and chemically castrating yourself". This kind of thinking is gospel in places like /tttt/ and being an occasional tourist in those spaces I can clearly see how being there can actually warp your worldview. But all of it is such bullshit given how furries wish they were dogs and shit like that. People can wish they were literally anything. But hey at least with furries the costume comes off occasionally.
It's insane to me how people are validating and encouraging someone with self image issues to literally mangle themselves if they frame it in the "I was born as the wrong gender" way. Like how can you like a person who has self image issues and not tell them "please, I really like you as you are, I only wish you could like yourself."
Because ultimately every single cool person I've seen transition has turned into a completely different person. The changes hormones do to the personality and looks, and also the fake ass annoying voice. It always makes me miss the person who was there before, because that person is truly mostly gone afterwards. It's even more creepy with terminology like deadname and shit like that.
And it's all a fucking scam anyways. Like, even the name "MTF", it literally doesn't turn you into a female. It's like saying gym rats pumping testosterone are more male even though they too sterilize themselves in the process. These people's girl identity is a house of cards. That's why they themselves need to validate it, they are only in circles that validate it and they turn nerd circles into places where everyone needs to validate them, lest they be exiled by some neckbeard moderator.
I can sympathize with parents whose children get sucked up in this. Not the "my son aint no homo" types, but those who truly love their childer. Because if you truly love someone, you would be devastated that they hated themselves so much that they wanted to make such drastic changes.

Turned out to be a bit of a vent, sorry, I just felt like I needed to let this shit out finally.

 

[Chromeo]

Which also begs the question were people born in the wrong body before the internet suggested it?

There were totally trannies before the Internet. I think the overwhelming majority of them back in the 70s-90s were HSTS, Homosexual Transsexuals, gays who figured it'd be easier if they were just the opposite sex. You see shit like that all the time, like Cher's lesbian daughter Chastity transitioning to "Chaz" so her mom will speak to her again, or gays in Saudi Arabia getting govt sponsored sex changes so they can stay married to their husbands. It's sad as fuck imo. It's like conversion therapy, but instead of convincing a gay man he's straight you're convincing him he's a woman.

I think the Internet really kicked off the massive boon of AGPs, Autogynephiles, though. They existed in the past too, but certainly MUCH more now that sissy and crossdressing porn is infinitely much easier to access. Back in the day they were those old men who would wear drag and blow thousands of dollars to have dominatrices spank them in super private sex clubs, nowadays any poor shmoe can become an AGP. They don't even have the shame to keep it as private as possible as they used to.

Edit: I will say, both can be absolute sex pests and both can be groomers/abusers. My sympathy for some HSTS doesn't negate their culpability when they target others.

 

[Aunt Carol]

I think the Internet really kicked off the massive boon of AGPs, Autogynephiles, though. They existed in the past too, but certainly MUCH more now that sissy and crossdressing porn is infinitely much easier to access.

It's the Parable of the Toaster-Fucker all over again.

 

[Chromeo]

It's the Parable of the Toaster-Fucker all over again.
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Leave it to 4chan to find a way to summarize anything in so few words. I'd call it eloquent, but it is still 4chan.

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

Semi related tangent, but I can recall in the late 2000s, on goth subforums, there were groups of "vampires" who had their own subcultures, tribes, or whatever you wanted to call it (people were big on the psychic vampire phenomena) that kind of reminds me of tumblr in 2014 and all the sub-sexual groups or identities or whatever.

The thought was that these people would grow out of it, some people did, some didnt- but the big difference is that faggy psychic lemurian vampires were never treated seriously, the same way two spirit final fantasy folk who were reincarnated from video games wernt,

but troons have their own political movement that actually enables the insanity. Thats the big problem

Pretending vampires were a very real and marginalised group would have been so much more fun.

Awww. This made me very nostalgic. Late 2000s goth kids and their vampire/werewolf bullshit seems really sweet and quaint, now.

Bless their bleeding little black hearts.

 

[grenouille crétine]

Like how can you like a person who has self image issues and not tell them "please, I really like you as you are, I only wish you could like yourself."

That’s something that continues to haunt me wrt this shit.

I believe it has been mentioned before that the Middle East has been trooning gay men out to make them “straight” for quite some while. I don’t think lesbians are people enough to matter to them (simply use sexual violence) but I can’t find English sources that mention them and don’t speak Arabic. Conversion therapy FTW! (That acronym tickles my funnybone in the context of FTM/MTF)

Spoiler: religion+homo sperg

I don’t have much nice to say about Islam, so we’ll move on from them bc you can likely guess what I think. I mostly know Christians. That said, it’s reasonable to expect religious people of all stripes to have some type of hangup with homosexuality. Some do, some don’t, some are fucking morons about it, some get on with their lives either away and it’s just one of many facets. Despite holding a worldview I find disagreeable, if they are theologically and morally consistent in those beliefs and do not cause me or others direct harm, they’ll do their thing and I’ll do mine, and we can both back up why we feel the way we feel, directly, with actual arguments.

What’s quite funny is that Christians and libs both put on a big show about how welcoming they are to those willing to learn the ways of the group and submit to the ideology (that’s maybe phrased like it’s a bad thing but meant neutrally, ingroups are ingroups), but I don’t think most Christians of pro- or anti- homo beliefs alike are surprised when that’s a hot-button issue in their church, and even the most naive (of adults, at least) coming into a church know what they’re liable to encounter. I do have thoughts about kids and religion, but they’re irrelevant here. Anyway, a crucial difference between the two is that libs parrot affirmation of the LGBTQIAP+$¿ shit and make a big moral kerfuffle about how smart and enlightened they are, when in reality they are the ones who made the first chop (heh) of LGB from the rest of their golden shitheap. Troonism as such and homosexuality are fundamentally incompatible. One holds that sex is not real, while the other is based on the presence of same-sex attraction. Christians may or may not believe homosexuality is innate/acceptable and we often clash on gender (ie societal expectations of sex), but we both know where babies come from. The same cannot be said of libs, circa ~2015. Trust the Science!

Point being: I have never doubted where I stand with homophobic Christians. Libs and the soulless docs that do this shit, however, love their specifically homo rainbows, which are now ofc uglified and rebranded as “queer”, a word a lot of gays have experienced chiefly as a slur—but fuck you if you don’t like someone claiming to be your friend then calling you that outside the context of a mutually understood joke. All of this crowing about their moral superiority and love of Qxeer Fat Mottled Birthing Bodies while simultaneously responding to statements like “I don’t want to look like a lesbian/homo, I want to look like a man/woman” with GREAT! WE CAN START TODAY, instead of what one might presume is the obvious follow-up question if In Your House, You Believe Science/Being Gay is Okay: “What is wrong with looking/being gay?”

I cannot tell you now how many detrans, myself included, have apparently had some version of this interaction with our liberal “care teams”. It actually pisses me off. If you think gays should go through conversion therapy, at least have the decency to be honest about it. They either know what they’re doing and have quasi-religious zeal about it, love the cash, get off on it, or they’re simply too fucking stupid to ever really think about it. Or some mix.

Edit for typo and clarity.

 

[Danger Hair Don't Care]

Years ago, I loved the comedian Eddie Izzard, in his "executive transvestite" days. I thought he was hot, with a Tim Curry vibe. Well, I recently saw his one-"woman" Hamlet, and it was dreadful. He looked like an aging Liza Minnelli, with spiky hair, bulldog jowls, and smeared makeup. His entire performance was hampered by his high heels and fake boobs. Watching him mince around the stage was grotesque, and such a goddamn shame. I'd have liked to have seen him perform without all the trans bullshit gumming up the works.