Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[toilet_rainbow]

It's rarely one monumental peak moment for most people. Maybe there are high peak incidents, but they are in a mountain range of various hills and smaller mountains. I tried figuring out which were the "major" ones for me, and started writing a timeline that went back to about 20 years ago. It got so long, however, that even the condensed version is lengthy. Regardless, it was, more or less:

Trannies showed their ass. Then they kept showing it long after they should've stopped.

Even with events like being disappointed at finding out that the "pregnant man" all over the news was a bearded woman or watching a documentary on David Reimer, I had naïve faith for the longest time that most trans people were indeed so and while extreme, SRS could benefit some of them.

Then I joined Tumblr during college. Despite that I was a budding feminist and SJW, I was shamed by others for acknowledging literal biology, or told how I must be non binary or trans for hating my breasts. Then I noticed just how colonized female spaces had become. Everything from womens colleges to literal words and biological processes that apply exclusively to women were twisted into being for "women and other non-[cis] men." Meanwhile, exclusively male spaces and language was rarely abused to the same degree, but it was considered "misogynistic" and "anti feminist" to point out that inequality. Men calling themselves trans lesbians and gloating how their girldick was like a permanent strap on.

Reading papers on how most trans identified people were autistic or how "gender dysphoric" children grew up to be gay. Realizing that "protecting" trans children by letting them transition was a possible form of gay conversion therapy for that reason. How gender roles were brutally enforced to justify transitioning kids in the first place. The whole concept of gender euphoria. Children being placed on puberty blockers and told that they're safe and reversible despite it being known that's not the case for decades. Parents talking about dreading the loss of their daughter's voice once she starts testosterone against their wishes (and in turn made me realize just how literal the term "dead name" is). Noticing nearly every gay or bi woman in my life either pooning out or becoming a handmaiden. Witnessing so many of them end up paranoid, violent, or in chronic pain after hormones and surgery.

Trannies moving goalposts, attempting thought control, openly admitting misogynistic thoughts or how it's all a fetish for them while being praised. Bathtub estrogen. Seeing trannies on Reddit encouraging minors to DIY HRT and how to get it under the table so their parents don't find out until it's too late. Realizing how SRS is the ultimate self harm and obliteration of self once I noticed how many rotdogs were covered in self harm scars. It never ends.

New peaks happen regularly. Most recent one was earlier this week. I saw a news piece that interviewed "trans teens" in the UK in response to the NHS finally banning puberty blockers. One, a pooner wearing a binder and Keith Haring T shirt, more or less stated that as she could not afford both, that she had an important choice to make: go to university, or start on testosterone. The idea of being healthy and going on a body destroying drug being considered as or more important than getting an education boggles my mind, but that's the tranny mentality. And I'm supposed to sympathize with this? Pure insanity.

Trannies demand my respect for them while forbidding me to call them out when they do something stupid or actually insidious. What respect I had is long gone. Especially of the trans women that have tarnished and taken away so many things in my life, from the concept of sisterhood to the loss of friends, all while claiming that they are the abused or the ones that have sacrificed so much to live "their true selves" while people at large live in fear to speak up lest they be unpersoned like the last ones that did so. Fuck this shit. Golden rule, motherfuckers.

 

[Procrastinhater]

watching a documentary on David Reimer,

I'll never understand why Reimer didn't take that pedophile fuck John Money out first when he decided to end his own life. It was entirely Moneys fault that poor bastard ended up like that, and Troons still support sick fucks like Money and refuse to ACKnowledge that the foundation of their entire Cult is based on fucking monsters like him.
WPATH for instance is full of and part funded by eunuch fetishist pedophiles. The Troon Cult is rotten to its core.

 

[ephermeral]

I've mentioned before how there was an issue regarding pronouns that came up in union meetings, of course most people thought this was a waste of time but no one said anything because these people are unhinged and unforgiving. Anyway, I was out of town so I was able to avoid this incident and the punishment... I mean education... meted out to the staff. I don't want to PL too hard but this took place at a staff retreat, these are people who work for the same entity but not at the same location, so you might be vaguely familiar with who someone is but may have last seen them months ago.

There is a man who is obviously a man and goes by they/them pronouns. At this retreat his colleagues were using "he" and this person never bothered to correct them in person, it wasn't until they made it safely home they they released A FURIOUS ANGER via email. They sent it to everyone, from the top on down as Ethan Ralph would say. The people with the most useless positions freaked the fuck out, of course. So what did they do? Mandatory DEI class for all so you can learn how to not be so heccin mean to trans and nonbinary folx. One person from each region had to attend so there were staffing issues but at least some dude got his gender affirmed, and really isn't that what's most important?

As you can imagine, people are pissed. GRAs would probably frame this as a slight inconvenience and would posit that my colleagues are talking about forming posses and spilling troon blood in the streets because they're hate genderspecials. Not at all, actually. They were wondering why he hadn't said anything at the time because they would have used his preferred pronouns had they had known. Now? The general consensus is, "I'm only going to refer to them by their first name because that seems like the safest option and I don't want to say the wrong thing." People who were indifferent have a negative impression of my crybaby colleague and gender rights activism, as they should.

Which makes me wonder, how do they expect people to come around to their way of thinking when workplaces implement this crap? Making the lives of your coworkers more difficult doesn't engender sympathy for your cause. Nor does seeing a woman in name only on a podium, a la Lia Thomas. Do they really only care about people being scared into silence? Because that's all they are accomplishing.

Have any of you had a workplace incident like this or had to attend mandated DEI training? What were your thoughts.

 

[Avomacado]

I work in a kitchen. Bar staff use a till key, their name comes up when they put an order through.

One day Marcus joined us. Strange, I thought, didn't realise that we took on a Marcus. Asked around a bit, I was never really given any good answers.

By the end of the shift, I was getting a lift home, and the guy said to Amy "come on Marcus."

Amy was Marcus. Amy was a girl yesterday, granted an autistic lesbian, but now she was Marcus. Within that following year she dressed like a guy, still looked like a lesbian, she went to the barbers, but was still a woman, compressed her tits to appear flat chested, but still had tits, and started taking testosterone, not enough to make her a man though.

Eventually as the flavour of the week started to wear out, she became Amy-Marcus, throughout all that she was a they/them, and they/them was always a woman, no matter when I chose to call her a him.

Was that my peak trans eye opener? Maybe.

She would become more mentally unstable, like going through puberty again.
She still done lesbian shit, she was still singing fucking Hamilton in the kitchen.

She was always autistic.
And she fell for this tiktok meme of being a guy whilst not even being able to piss in a urinal.

Within the next ten years, she'll transition from Amy-Marcus to grave fodder.

 

[AssignedEva]

Have any of you had a workplace incident like this or had to attend mandated DEI training? What were your thoughts.

It's just a harm reduction strategy, except the harm reduction is directed towards preventing the company getting harmed.

Someone gets misgendered and the company doesn't do anything (or just asks people to knock it off)? When this escalates into something else, which it usually does, the misgenderee can talk about an ongoing toxic culture where their concerns weren't taken seriously and push for a productive employee to get fired or push to get gibs in the form of a discrimination settlement. Even if they're not successful in this push, it still costs the company a load of money to do the standard investigation work or defend themselves at a tribunal with lawyers.

Someone gets misgendered and the company does some mandatory DEI training? Well now the company can go "look we did DEI training in response to a DEI complaint to try and prevent DEI issues, we care about this". Getting a DEI coach in costs a lot less than the other potential costs, and it probably mollifies the misgenderee that coworkers have to go listen to a DEI specialist. If it escalates, the company can highlight how it's at odds with their commitment to being an anti-discrimination workplace that they've demonstrated with their mandatory DEI training. Sometimes they even pre-empt this by having ongoing optional DEI sessions to highlight their inclusivity, and then just referring anyone who gets complained about to one of those sessions.

There's plenty of true believers involved but senior people tend to be a bit more cynical and mercenary. Best case scenario they manage to teach their employees "if you misgender this person they'll complain about it, so keep your mouth shut to make our lives easier". Worst case scenario, they've still ticked a box that effectively neutralises the complaint. It's unlikely that anyone's hearts and minds will actually be changed by this but the company usually doesn't care about that, it only cares that it appears that hearts and minds have been changed. There are obvious exceptions if there's high level capture by true believers, but in those scenarios they'd probably be a bit more punitive in their first response even if it costs them productive employees.

 

[toilet_rainbow]

I'll never understand why Reimer didn't take that pedophile fuck John Money out first when he decided to end his own life. It was entirely Moneys fault that poor bastard ended up like that, and Troons still support sick fucks like Money and refuse to ACKnowledge that the foundation of their entire Cult is based on fucking monsters like him.
WPATH for instance is full of and part funded by eunuch fetishist pedophiles. The Troon Cult is rotten to its core.

I suppose David genuinely just couldn’t keep fighting anymore. Even around his death the John/Joan case was still being touted as a major success and justification to mutilate children that were born with intersex conditions or mutilated like him as newborns. Not to mention that his wife left him and his twin brother that was also molested by Money committed suicide shortly before he did. Dude’s penis burned off when he was six months old. A literal lifetime of trauma and physical pain Money and multiple doctors inflicted onto him. Like that Belgian woman that was euthanized after a lifetime of gender related trauma and abuse from her family, I can see why his trauma became too much for him to bear.

I feel Reimer would’ve been in a lose-lose situation regardless of when he was born or what he did. Money still gets praise from troons every once in awhile while poor David is cast aside on the grounds of “oh, he wasn’t a real trans, so he doesn’t count” the rare times his existence is even acknowledged by them. Yeah, he could’ve killed the bastard that ruined his and his brother’s lives, but how would he had been regarded? Would he be dismissed as one of yet another roided out troon shooters even if he only murdered only one specific person? He could’ve become an activist, but would he be dismissed as too terf-y by troons like Buck Angel is?

I feel so much sadness for the poor guy. It’s ironic that the documentary I watched about him that opened my eyes to the case was on TLC when it was still about 40% actual educational content. Seeing them parade Jazz Jennings and seeing him being butchered the way he was years later on the same channel was another level of peaking. What a way for society to ignore a cautionary tale.

 

[Aunt Carol]

What a way for society to ignore a cautionary tale.

They'd have to make a dramatized movie for people to internalize it.

It could be a great film, but so depressing. Unfortunately, the studios who could produce it aren't subtle and would try to shoehorn in religion, when the whole thing should just be a slow-motion tragedy with, at most, adult David watching someone on TV cooing over their "trans child" who's staring off into the distance in the same way David is in his dimly-lit room, the same way he was in childhood photos.

I guess we have to be content with The Skin I Live In.

 

[SomeSpook]

If you were to ask me at least two or so years ago how I felt about troons my answer would be along the lines of indifference. Because I never really cared what they did as long as they didn't harm anyone. Looking back, I greatly question my indifference to these people. Because their ideas actively harm people, mentally and physically. These people were an absolute drain on my life mentally. I had to walk on nails just to not piss them off because of their stupid pronouns. I can't call them their biological sex because they would castrate me for calling them a man or a woman. These people are absolutely fucking useless and I would never consider them a friend or family ever again in my life. Don't ever think that troons are good people. Anyone who does is an abosolute retard and deserves to have the shit that has happened to me be done unto them.

 

[FinnSven]

If you were to ask me at least two or so years ago how I felt about troons my answer would be along the lines of indifference. Because I never really cared what they did as long as they didn't harm anyone. Looking back, I greatly question my indifference to these people. Because their ideas actively harm people, mentally and physically. These people were an absolute drain on my life mentally. I had to walk on nails just to not piss them off because of their stupid pronouns. I can't call them their biological sex because they would castrate me for calling them a man or a woman. These people are absolutely fucking useless and I would never consider them a friend or family ever again in my life. Don't ever think that troons are good people. Anyone who does is an abosolute retard and deserves to have the shit that has happened to me be done unto them.

“Transphobia” needs to be removed as a concept.
Legally and in any of these so called hate laws or whatever.

Calling a man or a woman the wrong pronoun by mistake was never an actual crime or anything other that a mild misunderstanding before.
Just because these fuckers have such a shaky self image, that being called the wrong thing leads them to suicide, isn’t other people’s fucking problem.

 

[Wallace]

Which makes me wonder, how do they expect people to come around to their way of thinking when workplaces implement this crap? Making the lives of your coworkers more difficult doesn't engender sympathy for your cause. Nor does seeing a woman in name only on a podium, a la Lia Thomas. Do they really only care about people being scared into silence? Because that's all they are accomplishing.

They don't. Woke is so inherently and obviously righteous that is is exempt from all of the rules of politics. They shouldn't have to convince anyone, since the only reason anyone would ever oppose their transcendently, obviously correct views is because they are fascist Nazis. They get away with this horrible attempt at politics that completely fails to win converts because they do not want to win. They want to feel good about themselves and score more Internet points.

“Transphobia” needs to be removed as a concept.
Legally and in any of these so called hate laws or whatever.

Calling a man or a woman the wrong pronoun by mistake was never an actual crime or anything other that a mild misunderstanding before.
Just because these fuckers have such a shaky self image, that being called the wrong thing leads them to suicide, isn’t other people’s fucking problem.

When someone says "transphobia", what you should hear is "sin" or "heresy".

 

[Melee Bouquet]

There's plenty of true believers involved but senior people tend to be a bit more cynical and mercenary.

Which is what makes it all so infuriating. Employees have to jump through endless and insincere hoops, to appease management, executives, HRats, tattle tale co-workers AND the troon. In addition to being a harm reduction strategy for the company, it's also an ugly assertion of authority by disingenuous people for self serving reasons.

@ephermeral yes and my reaction is to keep my work out of my real life by staying professional and private. Non participation is much easier to do when people have no idea why you're declining (I don't say no, I just decline LOL). I stay relaxed and never explain why I don't touch the trans tar baby. I just don't do it!

 

[Capper Mizellus]

@Ephemeral it's not letting me reply to you for some reason but I made a thread on this sort of thing if you're interested in going into more detail there.

Times when your 'normie' place of work/education/recreation has been ruined by politics - A place to vent and commiserate one another about the ceaseless onslaught of Current Year political spergery into places that used to be safe from it

 

[toilet_rainbow]

If you were to ask me at least two or so years ago how I felt about troons my answer would be along the lines of indifference. Because I never really cared what they did as long as they didn't harm anyone. Looking back, I greatly question my indifference to these people. Because their ideas actively harm people, mentally and physically. These people were an absolute drain on my life mentally. I had to walk on nails just to not piss them off because of their stupid pronouns. I can't call them their biological sex because they would castrate me for calling them a man or a woman. These people are absolutely fucking useless and I would never consider them a friend or family ever again in my life. Don't ever think that troons are good people. Anyone who does is an abosolute retard and deserves to have the shit that has happened to me be done unto them.

Just the fact that they have traumatized so many people over a fucking part of speech infuriates me. They love employing it as a control tactic even if you will remain complete strangers with someone after two seconds. How much thought did anyone actually give to pronouns after first grade before this nonsense? You were he or she, and that was that.

“Transphobia” needs to be removed as a concept.
Legally and in any of these so called hate laws or whatever.

Calling a man or a woman the wrong pronoun by mistake was never an actual crime or anything other that a mild misunderstanding before.
Just because these fuckers have such a shaky self image, that being called the wrong thing leads them to suicide, isn’t other people’s fucking problem.

Shit, I could understand not wanting to be called an “it.” But there are troons that want to be referred to that because “muh gender identity.” I refuse to take anyone that wants to be called an “it” seriously. If anything, they should be lucky that I’m trying not to get them picked up by the paddy wagon because that is a massive red flag that someone is going to have an imminent major mental breakdown and I want to be very far away when it happens.

“Cis” people get miscalled the wrong pronoun from tongue flubs all the time, butch lesbians may get a well intended “him” in their direction. The vast majority will maybe chuckle at most before going on with their day. Mistakes are not violence. Yet trannies think they are, because they are fragile piss babies obsessed with perceiving everything as such. That’s such a toxic mentality that trannies are literally exhausting to be around for longer than thirty seconds. I can only last as long as I can in a certain time period in Stinkditch because Farmer commentary lessens the pain.

 

[FinnSven]

Shit, I could understand not wanting to be called an “it.”

I didn't factor "it" in as a pronoun, because it is not an appropriate pronoun for a living being.

I still think we should simplify it all but just sticking pink triangles with a capital P inside to their chests, and referring to them as "Ps".

 

[Lavender Moth]

If anything, they should be lucky that I’m trying not to get them picked up by the paddy wagon because that is a massive red flag that someone is going to have an imminent major mental breakdown and I want to be very far away when it happens.

If anything, I think it should be encouraged to get them tossed in the funny farm for wanting "it/its" pronouns.

Used to have a friend who identified as an "it". Dude was a gay man who lived in an extremely religious household. Probably one of the most self-hating human beings I have ever known, and thus I refused to use his "it" pronouns, as it was so obviously a means to force others to dehumanize him, thus reinforcing his own self-hatred (self-hatred so deep it said he was not worthy of being considered human...or even living.)

One night he just decided to blast his brains out all over his room with a pistol he kept hidden just for the occasion.

Others in his circle were all "zomg how did this happen I had no idea 'it' was so depressed!" and I literally wanted to sink my fist into their faces for being so mind-numbingly retarded and for continuing to use such grotesque, dehumanizing language for him even after his death.

 

[Jacques1194]

I think what peaked me was the sheer insanity of it all and how so many people believe it. No joke but both the internet and how many TIPs there are made me question "Am I the only sane person left in this world? Why are there so many people who believe a guy can become a woman all because he can just simply say he identifies as one?" Also the whole "Do people really believe any of these surgeries can make you change your sex?" Thankfully though I think as the years went by I realized a lot of people dont really believe in any of this nonsense. Its just trannies are so vocal online that you'd think they're a larger population than what they really are. Still though , I find it crazy with stuff like Title IX and how both the U.S government and the UN is trying to push this shit hard onto the west. What benefit is there, and why are big organizations so desperate to spread this shit?

Shit, I could understand not wanting to be called an “it.” But there are troons that want to be referred to that because “muh gender identity.” I refuse to take anyone that wants to be called an “it” seriously. If anything, they should be lucky that I’m trying not to get them picked up by the paddy wagon because that is a massive red flag that someone is going to have an imminent major mental breakdown and I want to be very far away when it happens.

That and Xe/Xer pronouns are what I find the dumbest. What I find crazy about it though is how many trans people take those pronouns seriously. I would of thought they'd see those pronouns as the same the "Attack helicopter" joke but no, some trans people really take xe/xer or it/it's seriously. I do know they're desperate to increase their numbers but really? At that point they might as well take attack helicopters as a real gender.

 

[SevenEleven]

What benefit is there, and why are big organizations so desperate to spread this shit?

The full-on conspiratorial nut job answer is that they're life long patients ''requiring'' constant expensive surgeries and medication and that there are obviously people who stand to benefit from patients like that being around.

I think the real answer maybe has a little bit of that. There are no shadow councils mandating troonery (as far as I am aware), but it is worth noting some sort of financial incentive is present there, and incentives do what incentives do. I think most of it is just that large organizations wanna be ''on the good side'' of history this time. Not out of the goodness of their own heart, but just because they see where civil rights have gone over the last century and they think supporting this is the safest option that will cause the least controversy in the long run. The difference is of course that troonery turns out to be a bit of a different beast than say, homosexuality, which will make them look pretty silly when more people turn around to the fact that most troons are completely lunatics.

 

[teriyakiburns]

I feel Reimer would’ve been in a lose-lose situation regardless of when he was born or what he did. Money still gets praise from troons every once in awhile while poor David is cast aside on the grounds of “oh, he wasn’t a real trans, so he doesn’t count” the rare times his existence is even acknowledged by them.

I have seen very occasional attempts to rehabilitate him into a "poor trans woman who was forced to detransition by society and ended his life because of THAT trauma", but it never catches, for reasons that are probably obvious.

 

[FuckedOffToff]

Oh, don't worry, they manufactured one. Increasingly they claim to have an intersex condition and that's why they never felt at home in their birth sex (often showing an incredible ignorance for the way those intersex conditions work). And they go further.
I had to attend a symposium of sorts recently. The topic of intersex (disorders of sexual development) was being discussed and several Stunning and Brave people stood up and explained their perspective, which was that identifying as another gender meant you must have an undiagnosed intersex condition that was going unrecognised due to institutional abuse, followed by the bold proclamation that the medical profession needed to recognise "being trans" as an intersex condition as it means your brain must be a different sex to your body and you may need medication and surgery to transition your body's sex to meet your mind's sex (because otherwise why would someone claim to be a woman if there wasn't some undiscovered aspect of the brain that was intersexed?).
I had to sit there and bite my tongue. According to my (also secretly peaked) colleague I gave her a look she later described (over wine) as "Drew Barrymore after she screams fuck in Donnie Darko".

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I blame Thatcher and Reagan. It was supposed to be "Care in the Community", not ""Respect in the Professions" ffs.

 

[AnOminous]

I have seen very occasional attempts to rehabilitate him into a "poor trans woman who was forced to detransition by society and ended his life because of THAT trauma", but it never catches, for reasons that are probably obvious.

His brother also killed himself, probably also as a result of Money's molestation of him, i.e., forcing him to participate in homosexual rituals with David.

Money may be the only "doctor" whose quackery killed not only his patient, but his patient's brother, too.