Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[Ser Prize]

Except there's an even bigger cultural incentive, and profit incentive, to encourage transgenderism than there was to continue lobotomies. I don't think the medical industrial complex put nearly as much time and energy into promoting lobotomies as they do troonism. And they actively bury those who seek alternatives. Like making it illegal to do so, under the guise of anti-"conversion therapy" laws.

Hell, 40% percent of gen Z identifies as LGBTQ.

Even if you don't want to outlaw it right off the bat, we should by degrees. Heavily restrict it little by little.

I don't really buy the whole "safe, legal, and rare" bullshit. It doesn't work out that way.

Lobotomies also don't pay nearly as well as trans stuff. With trannies you get constant drug buying, multiple surgeries, etc. It's very profitable.

 

[gang weeder]

That's not how the world works. Lobotomies didn't stop because they were unethical. They stopped because they found something that worked better.

I know you want it to stop but that's not how the world works. You need to find a better way to fix the problem. If you just ban it outright, mentally ill people will go to shady doctors in shady countries and end up in serious pain. You think our doctors are shit? Wait till you see the results of other doctors. It's going to keep happening until something better occurs.

Also we're not sitting idly, there's other nations trying to research this problem. There's even been a push in American psychology to try to treat the issue that's causing the trooning.

Do you seriously trust American psychologists to get rid of trannyism if simply left to "figure it out?"

 

[Kung Pow Cream]

Do you seriously trust American psychologists to get rid of trannyism if simply left to "figure it out?"

Fuck no lol. They're currently behind too much "anti conversion therapy" tape. However, there's more than just the United States working in the field. I trust the entire world to find something out. I only pointed out american psychologists because there's been a push. I believe the antipsychotic thing I talked about was Norwegian.

I know people hate the medical industry, but companies would probably love to be the one that made the pill that cures troons. That's big money right there.

 

[Ser Prize]

Fuck no lol. They're currently behind too much "anti conversion therapy" tape. However, there's more than just the United States working in the field. I trust the entire world to find something out. I only pointed out american psychologists because there's been a push. I believe the antipsychotic thing I talked about was Norwegian.

I know people hate the medical industry, but companies would probably love to be the one that made the pill that cures troons. That's big money right there.

It's literally illegal up here in Canada to try to talk someone out of being trans because of 'anti-conversion' laws. I don't think it'll be alright.

 

[gang weeder]

Fuck no lol. They're currently behind too much "anti conversion therapy" tape. However, there's more than just the United States working in the field. I trust the entire world to find something out. I only pointed out american psychologists because there's been a push. I believe the antipsychotic thing I talked about was Norwegian.

I know people hate the medical industry, but companies would probably love to be the one that made the pill that cures troons. That's big money right there.

Okay, let me try again. Even if the rest of the world "figures something out," do you really trust American psychologists to defy the alphabet soup lobby and adopt it?

 

[Kung Pow Cream]

It's literally illegal up here in Canada to try to talk someone out of being trans because of 'anti-conversion' laws. I don't think it'll be alright.

Okay, let me try again. Even if the rest of the world "figures something out," do you really trust American psychologists to defy the alphabet soup lobby and adopt it?

Both of you think of this from a government standpoint: the number of troons is increasing. Troons tend to bad at functioning. They can't keep jobs and their mental health is extremely poor. Their community is harassing people and endangering lives. Because many of them don't have jobs, the government has to pay for their medical care. That means paying for all their hormones and surgeries that don't actually work and the person continues to not function.

So now you have a growing population that tax dollars need to pay for, they don't contribute to anything, they cause very bad things around them, and now that research has been good, all you need to do is give them a pill. I know many governments that would love for certain minorities to be cured of their negative traits regardless of what is "culturally appropriate".

 

[gang weeder]

Both of you think of this from a government standpoint: the number of troons is increasing. Troons tend to bad at functioning. They can't keep jobs and their mental health is extremely poor. Their community is harassing people and endangering lives. Because many of them don't have jobs, the government has to pay for their medical care. That means paying for all their hormones and surgeries that don't actually work and the person continues to not function.

So now you have a growing population that tax dollars need to pay for, they don't contribute to anything, they cause very bad things around them, and now that research has been good, all you need to do is give them a pill. I know many governments that would love for certain minorities to be cured of their negative traits regardless of what is "culturally appropriate".

You have far too much faith in the American government if you think it sees troons as a problem to be solved.

 

[Kung Pow Cream]

You have far too much faith in the American government if you think it sees troons as a problem to be solved.

The American government only cares if money is continuing to flow and the number line goes up. You're being too narrow in your thinking. If the american government actually cared about the cultural standpoint of things they wouldn't be shoveling antidepressants and antianxiety meds into the working class that is slowly crumbling from stress and overwork. They're only doing that so they can get them to continue to work. Look at what they do to disabled people who have to live on welfare.

They only cared about gays when they realized they had money. They only cared about black people because they realized they had money. Troons are beginning to bleed them of money. Connect the dots. They want more workers. They want more soldiers. You need a functioning citizen. If you seriously think any government is going to let an entire population bleed them of money, please rethink for a moment. Do you think the United States actually likes troons? They're only doing that for cookie points just like any company that has pride merch. They're simply doing that to get LGBT money.

You also have to remember that many of those troons don't actually want to be troons. They say they do, but they actually hate their existence. That's why they kill themselves. Their minds are constantly inundated with thoughts cause them to have a severe negative reaction. To be a troon is suffering. Many of those troons were only doing this because they thought it would make them happy. It never does. It makes them depressed and that's why they die. If you actually go to where these people are, a common question that comes up is "If you could take a pill and not have dysphoria, would you do it?" A significant portion of them say yes because they want to be normal. Many mentally ill people just want to be normal.

I feel as though that's all I have to say on this point. This argument is becoming circular and it's just me responding to "No, that will never happen" even though I have made many points and facts pointing to the idea that it's definitely going to happen. I assume you guys are just in a "Lie down and wait to rot" kind of mindset due to this doomer thinking. I'm going to stop responding after this post because it's going nowhere.

 

[gang weeder]

The American government only cares if money is continuing to flow and the number line goes up. You're being too narrow in your thinking. If the american government actually cared about the cultural standpoint of things they wouldn't be shoveling antidepressants and antianxiety meds into the working class that is slowly crumbling from stress and overwork. They're only doing that so they can get them to continue to work. Look at what they do to disabled people who have to live on welfare.

They only cared about gays when they realized they had money. They only cared about black people because they realized they had money. Troons are beginning to bleed them of money. Connect the dots. They want more workers. They want more soldiers. You need a functioning citizen. If you seriously think any government is going to let an entire population bleed them of money, please rethink for a moment. Do you think the United States actually likes troons? They're only doing that for cookie points just like any company that has pride merch. They're simply doing that to get LGBT money.

This viewpoint is incoherent. Why would shit like social security exist if this were really the mindset, if the government was some kind of penny-pinching super-Scrooge? Why do even Republicans consistently fail to ever reduce government spending?

You also have to remember that many of those troons don't actually want to be troons. They say they do, but they actually hate their existence. That's why they kill themselves. Their minds are constantly inundated with thoughts cause them to have a severe negative reaction. To be a troon is suffering. Many of those troons were only doing this because they thought it would make them happy. It never does. It makes them depressed and that's why they die. If you actually go to where these people are, a common question that comes up is "If you could take a pill and not have dysphoria, would you do it?" A significant portion of them say yes because they want to be normal. Many mentally ill people just want to be normal.

Have you ever tried convincing a tranny that they aren't actually trans?

I feel as though that's all I have to say on this point. This argument is becoming circular and it's just me responding to "No, that will never happen" even though I have made many points and facts pointing to the idea that it's definitely going to happen. I assume you guys are just in a "Lie down and wait to rot" kind of mindset due to this doomer thinking. I'm going to stop responding after this post because it's going nowhere.

You have some very strange views that strike me as, to put it plainly, delusional. I do think the tranny problem will be dealt with, so to speak, but it isn't going to be because the government finds some kind of magical pill that "cures" it.

 

[Bush King]

Okay, let me try again. Even if the rest of the world "figures something out," do you really trust American psychologists to defy the alphabet soup lobby and adopt it?

Absolutely.

Britain is far more infected with the idea that not immediately giving a three year olds pills or allowing mummy to live vicariously through her dearest by chopping his balls off is transphobia, yet their institutions are currently having a reckoning over the lack of data showing efficacy. Sweden has just had a big study on outcomes of SRS in particular and this study is currently making it's way through medical offices the world over. These results are supposedly not good. These results supposedly spit in the face of all the activism the troon lobby has used to push themselves into positions of power.

It ultimately doesn't matter how infected with transgressives and deconstructionists your institutions are, if there are hyper-strict definitions of procedures and how they are used which can be argued over in court and result in people losing their licenses or institutions being fined millions or even billions of dollars, it is only a matter of time before change occurs. Even if it takes ten years, when some fucked up kid turns 20 and wants to detransition and realises they have no future and goes after their doctor, they're going to explain that they or their department used certain studies as the basis of their formulations for best practise and care guidelines, and they're going to have to explain why they decided in the face of all evidence to allow a ten year old boy to undergo procedures they knew to be both ineffective and further to result in worse outcomes generally.

It only looks so bad now because these things take a lot of time. The LONG march through the institutions has been going on since the late 60s. It is only now this particular group of activists have been able to play their full hand, and that reveals a weakness. They have political control now but are beginning to understand that this is going away, and once it does it will not be long before the hammer begins to come down hard. When you come out and say "no, grooming kids is good, actually!" you have gone total war. There is no going back, the board is set and you can no longer hide in the wilderness building strength- whatever they have in their playbook now is going to be used. It will be an equally long march to remove these people. Don't give up hope, but we should also acknowledge that what was corrupted can be uncorrupted. Even the most radical of these psychologists will be forced to kowtow just as they did to the gay and trans lobby when you force them to understand that it's either their job or being a radical academic and they cannot have both.

 

[gang weeder]

Absolutely.

Britain is far more infected with the idea that not immediately giving a three year olds pills or allowing mummy to live vicariously through her dearest by chopping his balls off is transphobia, yet their institutions are currently having a reckoning over the lack of data showing efficacy. Sweden has just had a big study on outcomes of SRS in particular and this study is currently making it's way through medical offices the world over. These results are supposedly not good. These results supposedly spit in the face of all the activism the troon lobby has used to push themselves into positions of power.

It ultimately doesn't matter how infected with transgressives and deconstructionists your institutions are, if there are hyper-strict definitions of procedures and how they are used which can be argued over in court and result in people losing their licenses or institutions being fined millions or even billions of dollars, it is only a matter of time before change occurs. Even if it takes ten years, when some fucked up kid turns 20 and wants to detransition and realises they have no future and goes after their doctor, they're going to explain that they or their department used certain studies as the basis of their formulations for best practise and care guidelines, and they're going to have to explain why they decided in the face of all evidence to allow a ten year old boy to undergo procedures they knew to be both ineffective and further to result in worse outcomes generally.

It only looks so bad now because these things take a lot of time. The LONG march through the institutions has been going on since the late 60s. It is only now this particular group of activists have been able to play their full hand, and that reveals a weakness. They have political control now but are beginning to understand that this is going away, and once it does it will not be long before the hammer begins to come down hard. When you come out and say "no, grooming kids is good, actually!" you have gone total war. There is no going back, the board is set and you can no longer hide in the wilderness building strength- whatever they have in their playbook now is going to be used. It will be an equally long march to remove these people. Don't give up hope, but we should also acknowledge that what was corrupted can be uncorrupted. Even the most radical of these psychologists will be forced to kowtow just as they did to the gay and trans lobby when you force them to understand that it's either their job or being a radical academic and they cannot have both.

Well, let's hope you're right. I do agree that, if the problem gets solved, it is going to take decades to do so. And one has to wonder how much damage will be done by then.

 

[Carpe Jugulum]

I don’t really have a peak trans moment. It was more drip…drip…drip….reeeeee wtaf.

A few years back I knew a transbian streamer who I just thought was a creepy man in a wig who was far away from me and would never get sex off anyone. Around that time a lot of people were throwing “cis” around in the comments on a favourite science Facebook page which I looked up and found mildly offensive. JK Rowling had hit the news (I was a Guardian reading fag) and I just thought “what a meanie”.

The lady in the shop my friend and I frequent started telling us the most outrageous gender nonsense stories every time she saw us (based lady). We’d laugh and thought this cannot be a reality. We were so wrong.

I had bought Piers Morgan book late 2020 and he mentioned a little bit about trans nonsense in the news and due to lockdown I was scrolling through Twitter more out of boredom. I don’t know what the final trigger was (probably girl dick, maybe the dehumanising language they use for my sex) but I read what JK Rowling actually wrote, bought pretty much every book released in Britain on it (have a very Terfy shelf), read the articles wrote by the saner Britbong radfems and that was me thoroughly peaked.

The only good thing that came out of this was me actually coming out of the closet. I’m so enraged at men in dresses trying to fuck lesbians and change the meaning of so much of our language.

I was a gender nonconforming child. Hell, I still am as an adult. It hurts me to think little girls like me will be encouraged to transition. Same goes for effeminate little boys.

Edit: typos

 

[The Ugly One]

There's no "peak trans moment" for me. The fetishy aspect was obvious from the beginning, and I never bought the "gender identity" nonsense. The prevalence of pedos and sex pests was as unsurprising as rain in Seattle. What happened was I hit "peak liberal." Seeing liberals dutifully line up to support the right of public schools to groom kids into cutting off their dicks and becoming sexual playthings for adult perverts completely ended my belief in the human decency of libs. Libs could have used their cultural and social power to banish trannies from social media, but instead, they made trannies the authorities on who gets banished. It doesn't seem to me that the left has any moral center at all, just support whatever the latest thing is, including letting cross-dressing pedophiles come to the library to read a story to your kids about cross-dressing.

 

[Bush King]

Well, let's hope you're right. I do agree that, if the problem gets solved, it is going to take decades to do so. And one has to wonder how much damage will be done by then.

I should explain that while I think it will take decades, that doesn't mean that most of the issue cannot be solved tomorrow or that it will take until 2050 for use to clean house of these agitators.

The so-called "Don't Say Gay" bill is a new front in the war and shows that there is moral, political and public support which is effective and gets results currently being made real.

We should not kid ourselves that transgenderism will ever disappear at this point, but that's not the war aim of a liberal society. The war aims in the large are to protect children by refusing access to the current paradigm of transgender "therapy" which has no efficacy and also by expanding the purview of parents over public institutions like schools. There is a clear cultural win for Republicans here- a lot of people begrudge how Republicans will allow institutions to be infected by radicals, but this is precisely the juncture where a liberal position can be defended whilst also purging the institutions.

I don't think we are far off from transgenderism becoming similar to abortion in the United States in that both sides will campaign endlessly but neither will do anything to upset the status quo and lines will be drawn where California and New York will castrate five year olds but Florida and Texas will ban SRS or HRT for anyone who also has a diagnosis of depression/anxiety/etc.

 

[Skookum Jim]

when i first became aware of all this stuff i was in middle school. Back then I basically ignored it, because it was lumped in with the LGB umbrella, and being straight, I stayed out of it. I'm not gay, what the hell do I know? As I got older I would hear more and more insane shit come out of that side of the internet, and some of my friends began to fall into that sphere too. I again didn't really question it, and began to acquire some views of theirs by osmosis. I never felt the need to throw it in peoples faces, because it always seemed to me that who you feel the need to sleep with is your business and no one else's, and that's when the first shred of doubt came to my mind. Lesbians, Gays, and Bisexuals all are about sexual preference, what the fuck do Transgender people have to do with it?

Then the pandemic happened, and I had a lot more free time to spend on the internet. I started lurking the Farms regularly, I would scroll through Twitter, watch a ton of Youtube, and I began to have more of this nonsense leak into my feeds. What I began to notice that all of these types of people can't help but insert their fetishes into everything. All over their public timelines, it would be an activism thread followed by whatever nasty shit they were into. Eventually I got tired of it and focused more on personal stuff and work, but the bad taste in my mouth never really went away.

What really put me over the edge though was seeing one of my oldest friends go full out and proud trans. What possessed her to do this I haven't the slightest idea, she had past trauma, severe mental illness, the whole nine yards, no one in that state should be trusted to make that sort of decision about themselves. I've tried to hang out with her after that, but all she does is piss and moan about how unsupportive everyone in her life is, and how she's so oppressed for entirely self inflicted reasons. She says shes happy, but happy people who have "found their true self" don't feel the need to constantly piss and moan about everything. It really is obsessive, she was a fantastic artist, i encouraged her to go to art school, gain some contacts, do some commission work, find yourself a place in the world, but she threw it all away for the Trans safety blanket. She doesn't do anything not directly related to the "community" now, it's just sad.

 

[The Ugly One]

I don't think we are far off from transgenderism becoming similar to abortion in the United States in that both sides will campaign endlessly but neither will do anything to upset the status quo and lines will be drawn where California and New York will castrate five year olds but Florida and Texas will ban SRS or HRT for anyone who also has a diagnosis of depression/anxiety/etc.

Until the Supreme Court rules that the Constitution grants children the right to decide their sex.

 

[GHTD]

I tried asking someone who was saying "all cis allies of trans people are fake", of which I asked about what cis people can do to help, and ended up getting accused of sealioning and being transphobic just for saying that. I should've known better than to say that to somebody who clearly has such a disdain for cisgender people.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

I tried asking someone who was saying "all cis allies of trans people are fake", of which I asked about what cis people can do to help, and ended up getting accused of sealioning and being transphobic just for saying that. I should've known better than to say that to somebody who clearly has such a disdain for cisgender people.

When you're constantly at war with yourself, constantly at war with reality, that isn't conducive to happiness. You risk developing some level of disdain, if not outright hatred, for people who are well-adjusted and at peace with themselves. It's also why they try to groom as many children as possible: Misery loves company, so they want to drag as many people into the same infernal pit they dug themselves into.

The next logical step is misanthropy. That's pretty much a given if you develop a hatred for heterosexuals. You know, people who are actually capable of carrying human society, raising well-adjusted children, and replenishing the human population so we don't go extinct.

Ten years ago, I came across a poem written online by (what I thought at the time) some angsty teenage girl about how we needed to "save earth" by going extinct. I criticized it, of course accused me of being "hateful" because I called her out for her misanthropy, hypocrisy, and her flippant attitude towards the sanctity of human life. So I had some fun at her expense, along with several other bystanders who joined in. She tried to guilt me by telling me that she was suicidal, and when that didn't work, she told ME to kill myself. And then she blocked me and disabled comments.

But then years later I found out that "she" was actually a troon who had obviously developed a porn-addiction at a very young age and developed a serious case of autogynephilia. And then it made sense on why he would be such a hateful little shit who cries and moans whenever anyone calls him out for being a hateful little shit, no matter how gently.

 

[Shig O'nella]

Been thinking about this. Couldn't tell you when I hit peak trans, or if I even have yet, but I can tell you what started me off. Bruce Jenner.

Not him transitioning, funnily enough. Didn't much care either way about that, and even respected him some for holding off until the kids were full grown. He'd done his duty as Dad to his kids, so whatever, right?

It was the other trannies jumping on him and immediately demanding he started representing them and speaking out. That self centeredness honestly appalled me.
I mean - if you take them at their own words, "a man finally transitioning to the woman he's always considered himself to be" certainly deserves a bit of space and me time to adjust to the change and just enjoy "feeling right for once."
Made me look at trannies in a whole new light, and it was one of those things you can't unsee once you've seen it.

 

[Leaf Wage Slave]

Basically when Jenner won Woman of the Year. lulfuckingwut. Add in Troons in Women's Sports - that probably didn't help their ratings - and basically everything since the Tumblr Quarantine broke and they all migrated to Twitter because Tumblr banned Porn, and you've got the mixture.

Minor PL, I know two trans people irl - one through work, one because they're dating the one I work with. Both nice people, actually have a personality beyond "I'm Trans", the one I work with actually busts their ass, and, most importantly - they actually put in the effort to pass. If all of them were like the two I know, well this site would probably be a lot more boring.

It's why there's a small difference between Trans people and Troons - sorta like the difference between Black People and Niggers. The ones that actually are trying, I'll respect - you do you, just don't make it my problem and all that. Troons, meanwhile, are generally just sexual deviants hiding behind political correctness and Woke like a shield. Throw the Internet bringing out the worst in people, you've got the modern Woke Culture that we're all sick of.