Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[GreenHell]

I was in high school as the whole trans thing started to really take off, and back then I was more of a "live and let live" guy. It wasn't really a big thing yet, but I could see it taking seed when a few of the more weird kids started to troon out or go down the non-binary path. And as time went on, I started to get skeptical about it, but I mostly kept it to myself. So anyway, 2016 rolls around and I graduate right as the Trump era starts and the troon epidemic is starting to take off, and with that comes the debate about puberty blockers and "gender affirming care" for fucking children starts to come up, and even back then I was pretty against it. Like what the fuck does that even mean? Why do you have to "Affirm" something when you're deadset on mutilating your body and injecting yourself with horse piss hormones? Regardless of all that, eventually it started to happen to a couple of friends of mine who started trooning out when we were all in college. Pre-troon, they were both just some nerdy guys who were into art and surface internet culture (the latter part makes a lot more sense to me now since groomers lurk everywhere on the sites they were into). So as time goes on and they start drinking more and more troonshine, they were very quick to throw me under the bus and label me as a "fake ally" because I didn't think as black and white as they did. These were people I went back years with, and seeing how quickly they threw me under the bus just really fucking hurt

So I thought to myself, "Maybe I'm wrong" but that idea quickly went out the window when it seemed like anyone and everyone started gargling tranny dick and affirming textbook delusional behavior. It was at that time that I really started to get some insight into just how fucked up it all is, and when I started having to explain myself for my views such as "I don't think these people should get to be in women's spaces and sports" to friends, I lost them and became a social pariah among people I'd spent so much time getting to know and love because "The hormones change their bodies enough", after which I shot back "So you're saying women are inherently weaker?". Made me feel like I was disposable, yanno?

So later, I move to NYC for a job, and I start to make friends there slowly but surely. And while I was initially under the impression that my views would get me slapped with a hate crime there, I was surprised when I learned that all of them despised the whole thing, and I guess the feeling resonated with more people than I could've ever imagined. Meeting them made me reach peak trans, and it was one hell of a wakeup call

The first part is very similar to how it happened for me. My friends trooned out and became entitled shitheads, and I got tired of seeing mentally ill grifters and pornsick men in spinny skirts prey on confused kids, fill their heads with gender cult bullshit, and convince them to ruin their bodies, all while telling them it will make them happy. The "A HA" moment for me came during a discussion with my mother about my middle and high school years. I'm a bisexual woman, and for most of my teen years I hated wearing form-fitting "girly" clothes and doing feminine (at the time) things; I was also severely depressed, and hated my body. As I looked back on it, I was struck with the realization that in the present, I would undoubtedly have been pushed into transing. (And, ignorant and out-of-touch as my parents were, they probably would have allowed it.)

Now, I can't get the thought out of my head; I keep thinking about all the girls out there like me who are growing up now; how many of them are going to have their bodies and lives ruined by TRAs, who will never truly have the chance to grow, to develop, work through their issues and discover who they are as people; who will never get married, never have children, never have any chance at a normal life. Troons preying on women in bathrooms and in prisons is evil; troons preying on kids is on a whole other level.

There were a few other moments for me, but they mostly involve people in a D&D campaign (and no one wants to listen to me sperg about that for multiple paragraphs). I haven't fully peaked; I do know some good, sane trans people, and Blaire White and Buck Angel are pretty based (despite Buck's history in porn). I also don't have a lot of love for TERFs (or radfems in general); the hateful anti-male narratives, and the bullshit they direct at women who don't despise men (or have any kind of positive relationship with a man) are deal breakers. (As was a female friend, a cancer patient, being harassed after they mistook her for trans.) But it will be a cold day in Hell before I ever support the disgusting, annoying, irritating, willfully ignorant, repulsive, grooming, narcissistic perversions of nature parading as "trans activists".

 

[Fapcop]

There were a few other moments for me, but they mostly involve people in a D&D campaign

Go on?

I love to hear tales of degenerate D&D troons!

 

[Procrastinhater]

I peaked when I decided to make a Kiwi Farms account and browse the Stinkditch section. Until then, I was somewhat indifferent about trannys because I was fed this fantasy that being trans had no harmful effects on the individual and the people around them. Well, I was wrong.

Being trans is a self-harming path with no return. All they think about is being trans and the most vocal people in their community are known for being self-hating cry bullies. They can't accept people who have different opinions that do not agree with theirs and are willing to bend society backward.

Also, trans activists are disgusting people that are trying to push people into this horrible fantasy instead of telling people to seek mental help. People are taking their own lives because they thought being trans would make their lives less miserable. The thing is, cutting your genitals and taking hormones is not going to make the problems disappear. It is only going to get worse.

I'm only being slightly ironic when I call the tranny movement the Cult of Slaanesh. They're 100% a depraved sex cult focused on perversion and self mutilation, any examination of the way they behave shows they act the same as a Cult, from recruiting, to love bombing, isolating members from outside influences, pushing in group/out group thinking, breaking down and replacing morals and values, to harassment and vilification and puntive actions on those who step out of line and try to leave the Cult.

 

[Pizza Time]

I'm only being slightly ironic when I call the tranny movement the Cult of Slaanesh. They're 100% a depraved sex cult focused on perversion and self mutilation, any examination of the way they behave shows they act the same as a Cult, from recruiting, to love bombing, isolating members from outside influences, pushing in group/out group thinking, breaking down and replacing morals and values, to harassment and vilification and puntive actions on those who step out of line and try to leave the Cult.

Funny you mention Slaneesh...

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[teriyakiburns]

Funny you mention Slaneesh...
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This should have been an unironic "are we the baddies?" moment.

 

[Adrenochrome Dreams]

Just learning about autogynephilia, back in 2014. It all made so much sense. I read "The Man Who Would Be Queen" and "Men Trapped In Men's Bodies".

I am convinced if the average person (especially women) knew about autogynephilia, it would be over for troonism in a heartbeat.

 

[FinnSven]

The first part is very similar to how it happened for me. My friends trooned out and became entitled shitheads, and I got tired of seeing mentally ill grifters and pornsick men in spinny skirts prey on confused kids, fill their heads with gender cult bullshit, and convince them to ruin their bodies, all while telling them it will make them happy. The "A HA" moment for me came during a discussion with my mother about my middle and high school years. I'm a bisexual woman, and for most of my teen years I hated wearing form-fitting "girly" clothes and doing feminine (at the time) things; I was also severely depressed, and hated my body. As I looked back on it, I was struck with the realization that in the present, I would undoubtedly have been pushed into transing. (And, ignorant and out-of-touch as my parents were, they probably would have allowed it.)

Now, I can't get the thought out of my head; I keep thinking about all the girls out there like me who are growing up now; how many of them are going to have their bodies and lives ruined by TRAs, who will never truly have the chance to grow, to develop, work through their issues and discover who they are as people; who will never get married, never have children, never have any chance at a normal life. Troons preying on women in bathrooms and in prisons is evil; troons preying on kids is on a whole other level.

There were a few other moments for me, but they mostly involve people in a D&D campaign (and no one wants to listen to me sperg about that for multiple paragraphs). I haven't fully peaked; I do know some good, sane trans people, and Blaire White and Buck Angel are pretty based (despite Buck's history in porn). I also don't have a lot of love for TERFs (or radfems in general); the hateful anti-male narratives, and the bullshit they direct at women who don't despise men (or have any kind of positive relationship with a man) are deal breakers. (As was a female friend, a cancer patient, being harassed after they mistook her for trans.) But it will be a cold day in Hell before I ever support the disgusting, annoying, irritating, willfully ignorant, repulsive, grooming, narcissistic perversions of nature parading as "trans activists".

Your account is interesting and valid. I am glad you didn’t get sucked into transing or any of their ridiculous bobbins.

What intrigues me though is when you say that Buck Angel is based, despite having a history in porn.

I have been aware of Buck angel since early mid 2000s, as he was featured a few times in the now sadly defunct Bizarre Magazine.

The magazine was an utter trash rag, but I enjoyed it as I have always been interested in the sicker side of life, offbeat and truly rebellious people.

Of course, such people are compelling when they are one offs but pathetic when they become a trend.

Anyway! From what I gathered, Buck had gone into porn partly to fund his transition, but also because he found a very specific niche.
I don’t think he was ever up there with Kimber James or Annabel Chong, porn is driven mainly by straight and straight-adjacent men, with gay men, so a manly man with a vagina was not a widespread appeal.
But he went into the industry with no illusions and probably some understanding that conventional careers were not going to provide him the capital for as convincing transition.

Another issue may have been concern about stigma.
Sure back then, despite what Troons today claim, he could have easily gotten a conventional job and provided he did a good job at it, no one would have questioned him.
However had his trans status been found out, it’s possible people would have found ways to get rid of him for different reasons.

Also activist is the wrong word, but he clearly wanted to raise awareness that women could transition convincingly too.
So being public in this way may have been potentially problematic for him in other sectors.

Say what you like about the porn industry, but intolerance of weird things is unheard of!

TLDR: Buck was in porn for some understandable reasons and I don’t agree it invalidates him in any way.
It’s actually more admirable how transparent he has been.

Plus I used to have great fun sending a picture of him being fucked by a chick with a dick to people who got confused and upset about it!

 

[Table Country]

I don't know if I've hit peak so much as I've noticed that every single tranny has a preexisting mental illness or trauma of some kind. Pretty much all of the ones I've been acquainted with were in a particular Discord channel and they were some of the most childish, ignorant, hidebound people I've ever met outside of A&H. Even the janny, the most outwardly professional and put-together of them was really just an oversexed weirdo who, in hindsight, was probably a manipulative narcissist.

One was an old friend of my brother's who was already a pretentious cunt and became the most insufferable tumblrina stereotype post-troon. He'd get upset whenever I posted a gif of somebody throwing a knife in somebody else's crotch because it reminded him of the fact that he didn't have an amhole yet. He also got indignant over someone's use of the word "lynch". Because, historically, black people were lynched. It was so retarded even his most ardent cocksuckers thought it was ridiculous and probably would've insulted him for it were they not afraid of getting banned.

Still, I've met trannies who are genuinely lovely people who I might even be friends with if we weren't just names over the internet. But even they have obvious mental/emotional issues. Whether it's alcoholism, skin thinner than the air at the peak of Everest, or general anxiety and autism, I have not met a single tranny who didn't have something going on with them.

It's always felt really wrong to me to encourage people who are obviously unwell to take hormones and castrate themselves as some sort of fast track to self-improvement. In a way, some part of me wants transgenderism to be "real" if that makes any sense. Because it's really hard to bear the thought that all our society's top medical professionals have been conning mentally ill people for what's been years at this point.

 

[Corn Flakes]

I don't know if I've hit peak so much as I've noticed that every single tranny has a preexisting mental illness or trauma of some kind. Pretty much all of the ones I've been acquainted with were in a particular Discord channel and they were some of the most childish, ignorant, hidebound people I've ever met outside of A&H. Even the janny, the most outwardly professional and put-together of them was really just an oversexed weirdo who, in hindsight, was probably a manipulative narcissist.

One was an old friend of my brother's who was already a pretentious cunt and became the most insufferable tumblrina stereotype post-troon. He'd get upset whenever I posted a gif of somebody throwing a knife in somebody else's crotch because it reminded him of the fact that he didn't have an amhole yet. He also got indignant over someone's use of the word "lynch". Because, historically, black people were lynched. It was so retarded even his most ardent cocksuckers thought it was ridiculous and probably would've insulted him for it were they not afraid of getting banned.

Still, I've met trannies who are genuinely lovely people who I might even be friends with if we weren't just names over the internet. But even they have obvious mental/emotional issues. Whether it's alcoholism, skin thinner than the air at the peak of Everest, or general anxiety and autism, I have not met a single tranny who didn't have something going on with them.

It's always felt really wrong to me to encourage people who are obviously unwell to take hormones and castrate themselves as some sort of fast track to self-improvement. In a way, some part of me wants transgenderism to be "real" if that makes any sense. Because it's really hard to bear the thought that all our society's top medical professionals have been conning mentally ill people for what's been years at this point.

I've had the same experience. It wasn't a "peak", but it was definitely one of the first things that got the narrative to start showing some cracks. Being in gaming communities when the plague of troons started spreading, it didn't take very long for the good ol' pattern recognition skills to kick in. And after making the mistake of actually asking why were trannies almost universally either outright mental patients of clearly undiagnosed, the screeching I got in return solidified that these people weren't right in the head even before trooning out.

There's really no better example of how modern society has a mental health problem than trannies. And also how social media is a blight upon this Earth. 15 years ago I would have pointed at insane people with guns, but in Current Year trannies are a far more dramatic and visible case.

 

[Bubble Ba'ath]

I've had the same experience. It wasn't a "peak", but it was definitely one of the first things that got the narrative to start showing some cracks. Being in gaming communities when the plague of troons started spreading, it didn't take very long for the good ol' pattern recognition skills to kick in. And after making the mistake of actually asking why were trannies almost universally either outright mental patients of clearly undiagnosed, the screeching I got in return solidified that these people weren't right in the head even before trooning out.

This is very much a case where familiarity breeds contempt. The first trans person I ever knew was based and was the only one I knew for years, so it made me pretty TRA for a long time. But once the group presence exploded onto the internet and then media more generally I started to realize that almost all of them were co-morbid cases with various mental illnesses. I think this is what is causing the tide to turn a bit more recently because this is so obvious. And the frantic shrieking of LiTeRaL vIoLeNcE whenever this is brought up only further reinforces the idea that this cause is deeply attractive to BPD/schitzos who are effectively skinwalkers who reinvent themselves whole hog rather than grow as people. I suspect these are just the current year versions of those people who joined the various cults of the 70s-90s.

I do actually think gender dysphoria is a real thing (unpopular view on the farms I know) hence why it keeps popping up in history. But it is relatively rare. And making it the cause du jour turned it into an extremely attractive cult-like ideology for mentally ill people and alienated incel nerds. But by attracting such people it is already and very publicly laying the seeds of its own decline in popularity as more and more people go "who on earth would want to be around those people?" Not to mention the parallels with electro shock therapy in that it actually does work for a minority of disorders but once was over-used as a fad and ruined far more people than it helped. I suspect this current gender-medicalization phase will age about as well as that stuff did.

 

[Schizotism]

I'm only being slightly ironic when I call the tranny movement the Cult of Slaanesh. They're 100% a depraved sex cult focused on perversion and self mutilation, any examination of the way they behave shows they act the same as a Cult, from recruiting, to love bombing, isolating members from outside influences, pushing in group/out group thinking, breaking down and replacing morals and values, to harassment and vilification and puntive actions on those who step out of line and try to leave the Cult.

The Cult of Troon should be considered a death cult. So many lost their lives by being fed this delusion rather than seeking proper mental help.
Every day I see posts from /r/MtF I feel disgusted by how eager troons are to label others as trans but then wholly flip their shit or outright delete posts when someone disagrees with their deluded views. The subreddit is also known for deleting posts about detransitioning, and about people attempting suicide after regretting transitioning.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

I do actually think gender dysphoria is a real thing (unpopular view on the farms I know) hence why it keeps popping up in history.

No, this is popular enough here. What is unpopular is to have much sympathy towards gender dysphoria or trust people who say they have it. Also some see no difference between gender and other body dysphorias so we shouldn't treat trannies any different from the anorexic nutjobs. That doesn't deny existence of gender dysphoria, just that distress they feel isn't anyway unique.

Most of have seen so many grifters, opportunists, people who rewrite personal histories and denialism of other causes that we are kinda burned out. It's pretty clear that there multiple patterns of trannies and that those patterns different between the two genders and sexualities in those genders. Some of those patterns could be described as genuine gender dysphoria, but a lot of us don't see it as an excuse to troon up and no shield from making fun of. That is more saved for kids manipulated by their parents (usually mom).

 

[Fapcop]

No, this is popular enough here. What is unpopular is to have much sympathy towards gender dysphoria or trust people who say they have it. Also some see no difference between gender and other body dysphorias so we shouldn't treat trannies any different from the anorexic nutjobs. That doesn't deny existence of gender dysphoria, just that distress they feel isn't anyway unique.

Most of have seen so many grifters, opportunists, people who rewrite personal histories and denialism of other causes that we are kinda burned out. It's pretty clear that there multiple patterns of trannies and that those patterns different between the two genders and sexualities in those genders. Some of those patterns could be described as genuine gender dysphoria, but a lot of us don't see it as an excuse to troon up and no shield from making fun of. That is more saved for kids manipulated by their parents (usually mom).

Yup.

Gender dysphoria might be real, just like anorexia is real. And the way we treat anorexia is with CBT and occasionally pharmaceuticals.

Nobody posts treatises here on the mythological “good tranny” who just want to “live their life” because they’re boring and not funny.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Funny you mention Slaneesh...
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Reminds me of when fundies flipped their shit over Voldemort saying, "There is no good and evil, only power, and those too weak to seek it."

Like they thought JK Rowling was endorsing moral relativism, even though it was the VILLAIN espousing such views, an implication that JK Rowling herself thinks moral relativism is evil.

 

[Clovis]

The Cult of Troon should be considered a death cult. So many lost their lives by being fed this delusion rather than seeking proper mental help.

It literally does more harm to vulnerable trannies than any number of hate crime stickerings, violent misgenderings or laws that regulate how much they are allowed to fuck themselves up with ill-advised surgery or hormones. It's frankly impressive that they have convinced people inside and outside the hugbox that they are the kind ones.

Actually...The right needs to start expressing more trans-friendly, or at least trans-respectful sentiment - no hear me out - to diffuse the "everything is transphobic" "most oppressed" "literal genocide" rhetoric. We're getting there but it would be good to see the moderate right take the "be kind" cudgel off the left and beat them with it.

Of course, *we* know trannies think not getting their way on everything and having the every narcissistic whim catered to is a hate crime.
*We* know they're self obsessed cry-bullies. But the MSM and general political discourse still only ever describes safeguarding measures like restricting access to ""SRS"" or removing affirmation-only approaches to gender dysphoria counselling as "anti-LGBT".

Making it clear whats described as "anti-LGBT" is usually showing more compassion to women, children, the LGB and the trannies themselves would take a lot of wind out of their sails. Explicitly focus on talk of the compassion needed for the gender-confused, for the gay kids getting groomed into transition, for better awareness of the high rates of complications in stinkditch and rotdog installations. The things that actually harm trannies, rather than violent misgenderings. Fuck it, even use the same kind of hyperbolic appeals to emotion you see in left wing media.

I think most of the quiet majority would agree self-ID that allows male-bodied rapists into women's prisons causes cognitive dissonance when they try to square it with the "be kind" and TWAW feel-good beliefs they signed for. Even if they're still skittish around being seen as being peaked into becoming a terf, or right-adjascent.
The majority of liberal lefty straights aren't fully signed up to the cult. They get that bills stopping male bodied people competing in women's sports is not anti-lgbt hate or a literal threat to anyone's existence. Most rhetoric about anti-lgbt is disingenuous and hides the fact it's just AGP coomers getting a free ride on the LGB' fight for acceptance and shitting everything up.

 

[AnOminous]

Reminds me of when fundies flipped their shit over Voldemort saying, "There is no good and evil, only power, and those too weak to seek it."

Like they thought JK Rowling was endorsing moral relativism, even though it was the VILLAIN espousing such views, an implication that JK Rowling herself thinks moral relativism is evil.

Fundies did the same with D&D having demons, even though you were generally fighting them.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

It literally does more harm to vulnerable trannies than any number of hate crime stickerings, violent misgenderings or laws that regulate how much they are allowed to fuck themselves up with ill-advised surgery or hormones. It's frankly impressive that they have convinced people inside and outside the hugbox that they are the kind ones.

Actually...The right needs to start expressing more trans-friendly, or at least trans-respectful sentiment - no hear me out - to diffuse the "everything is transphobic" "most oppressed" "literal genocide" rhetoric. We're getting there but it would be good to see the moderate right take the "be kind" cudgel off the left and beat them with it.

Of course, *we* know trannies think not getting their way on everything and having the every narcissistic whim catered to is a hate crime.
*We* know they're self obsessed cry-bullies. But the MSM and general political discourse still only ever describes safeguarding measures like restricting access to ""SRS"" or removing affirmation-only approaches to gender dysphoria counselling as "anti-LGBT".

Making it clear whats described as "anti-LGBT" is usually showing more compassion to women, children, the LGB and the trannies themselves would take a lot of wind out of their sails. Explicitly focus on talk of the compassion needed for the gender-confused, for the gay kids getting groomed into transition, for better awareness of the high rates of complications in stinkditch and rotdog installations. The things that actually harm trannies, rather than violent misgenderings. Fuck it, even use the same kind of hyperbolic appeals to emotion you see in left wing media.

I think most of the quiet majority would agree self-ID that allows male-bodied rapists into women's prisons causes cognitive dissonance when they try to square it with the "be kind" and TWAW feel-good beliefs they signed for. Even if they're still skittish around being seen as being peaked into becoming a terf, or right-adjascent.
The majority of liberal lefty straights aren't fully signed up to the cult. They get that bills stopping male bodied people competing in women's sports is not anti-lgbt hate or a literal threat to anyone's existence. Most rhetoric about anti-lgbt is disingenuous and hides the fact it's just AGP coomers getting a free ride on the LGB' fight for acceptance and shitting everything up.

That's similar to what I keep saying on other places other than this very site: Refusing to play along with transgender delusions is the compassionate thing to do, even for the trannies themselves.

We want to make it easier to actually treat gender dysphoria rather than affirm people in their delusions. We want to stop people from being able to end their own bloodline over some weird fetish they developed or some fever dream they had. Yes, up to and including institutionalization, because no matter how much we affirm them, they're a danger to themselves and others.

We may spout some serious vitriol against troons on this very site, but that's out of frustration and anger that the establishment enables mentally sick people and continues to allow them to hurt others and spread their illness. Ultimately, regardless of the horrible things they do, they're still human, sick ones at that, and need treatment, even if they don't want it.

That's nothing new, mentally ill people usually refuse to get help until they're forced into it. Also like troons, they become extremely violent when someone doesn't affirm their schizophrenic fantasies.

 

[Frogget-me-not]

Like they thought JK Rowling was endorsing moral relativism, even though it was the VILLAIN espousing such views, an implication that JK Rowling herself thinks moral relativism is evil.

Coombrains can’t tell the difference between fiction and reality. One would think they’d be able to understand the concept of playing pretend, since that’s what they’re doing all day.

That and most of twitter (right and left) gets all their news second-hand. Nobody tries to check the source themselves anymore, they just trust that the tweeters are correct. I peaked politically when I noticed; I hate how the left pretends that they’re above all this when in fact the two ends of the ideological horseshoe are practically overlapping.

 

[Fathomless Eminence]

There was never any one incident and I know my experience is far from unique. If you're a normal guy living in a deep blue state near a big far left city you basically cannot help but be "transphobic" these days. I hate to sound this basic but it's akin to having those glasses from They Live. Every storefront has a BLM or LGBTAIDSCIA+ Flag, people wear Che Guevara and the hammer and sickle shirts casually and openly and if you cross them then you can prepare for a hostile work environment and harassment without consequences, pure anarcho-tyranny. People in my workplace openly discuss far left politics daily like I'd talk about a fucking football game it's just so ingrained into the local culture that you cannot escape it.

So here I am in this environment just trying to be a professional and get paid and go about my life in peace and these viscerally disgusting mutilated mockeries of nature start popping up like weeds and you can't even talk about it because in the minds of most people there's no more debate to be had about it, the pronouns are just reality now. I tried to avoid being judgmental and I try to just stay in my lane but there comes a point where you just have to say fuck trannies somewhere to someone so here I am.

If I had to pick a breaking point though it was when I was forced into a rideshare situation with a tranny for a Dungeons and Dragons game a few years ago. We were doing a pizza run and I offered to drive and the tranny (who was a friend of a friend who I allowed into the game to be nice to said friend) had a super long and autistic order so I just had them come with me instead of looking like the asshole myself (He was also paying for himself instead of chipping in to the group order because they were a fatass who ordered more food than the rest of us combined)

Anyway we were in the car and there was some construction going on so there was gravel on the road and I'm driving over it and the dude just starts moaning and I'm thinking he's hurt so I ask him if he's okay and he says he's fine he's just wearing a butt plug and the gravel feels really good on his prostate. I have never felt more repulsed in my entire life. To my shame I didn't even pull over and kick him out I really didn't want to upset my friend who I had known since first grade (we were in our mid twenties at this point) so I just turned up the volume on my music and kept my eyes forward and when I got home I felt like the Marlboro Marine.

 

[Kiislova]

he says he's fine he's just wearing a butt plug and the gravel feels really good on his prostate.

It will never cease to amuse me how they feel the need to overshare their degeneracy to everyone.

Hell, I have done some idecent acts of furfaggotry and would never ever think it is apropriate to share that casually and in detail.