Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[redcent]

I don't think I care if they do or don't. The problem is so much larger now that exclusion from hyper niche spaces like I suffered.

We have whole civic pillars under threat from perverted fanatics. We need to take radical action now, and it is still going to be a shitty experience for everyone to endure. It's why despite how much I dislike him, I'll still vote for Trump without a second thought.

Your government, any of the people that have been or are currently in it are too cucked. If they had any balls they'd ban all but the most vanilla of porno, but the rioting that would ensue would make the pollies there shit their pants because "the government can't tell me what to do" is the motto of all yankees. In fact, any ruling to counter it all that gets put up by your government will crumble. America has shot itself in the foot with it's "totes a free country" (lol) attitude from the start. This is your bed fuckers go lie in it

-yours sincerely, someone living a tranny free life

 

[Hinttitroniikka]

My neutrality on the topic is considered harmful by everyone, is that a kind of peaking? I don't agree with modern gender ideology nor with traditional bioessentialist identity politics. A way more old-school feminism. I got interested in trans stuff because I don't think there's anything wrong with going, "I'm a male who dresses and lives as a woman, I understand why people don't know what pronouns to use for me, I live and let live" and interested out of it because that's not AT ALL what the modern trans movement is. It eschews the concept of mammalian sexual dimorphism and the words to describe it, and insists that it's safer to shift away from disclosing trans status than towards acceptance of disclosure. It's more about fitting into groups who don't want you than having a safe place of your own (especially in things like sports). I think I'm infinitely more accepting of trans stuff than anyone else on this website, but modern trans activism deems me just as bad. So I have peaked without ever changing my position, because they all went past me.

It's like the pronouns thing. In my daily life, I speak a language that doesn't have gendered pronouns, so it's a stupid thing to insist on in the first place. Whether CWC is "he" or "she" is irrelevant because Chris's main trait is idiocy, not gender. It's dumb to put your "pronouns in bio" and dumb to insist that "my pronouns are biological, just like my oppression" (EVEN THOUGH I agree with the second half of that radfem slogan). I get more annoyed with the former because they're more visible, is all.

Creeps and groomers and degenerates have always existed and I think it's just given some of them a new form. I can't remember where I saw someone say that TIMs who 41% now would have serial killed women 50 years ago, so the death count from creeps could be lower. There's no real way to know if that's true, I guess.

Anyway, does this count as peaking, if I'm only really transphobic from trans people's point of view?

 

[Kiislova]

I think I'm infinitely more accepting of trans stuff than anyone else on this website, but modern trans activism deems me just as bad. So I have peaked without ever changing my position, because they all went past me.

Welp, Hello past self.
I did start that way, the "good side of history" went past me without me moving. Then I started moving away from it, in that order.

Creeps and groomers and degenerates have always existed and I think it's just given some of them a new form. I can't remember where I saw someone say that TIMs who 41% now would have serial killed women 50 years ago, so the death count from creeps could be lower. There's no real way to know if that's true, I guess.

Interesting way of looking at it, I would like to see the numbers but I fear the numbers will not be there, in any case, world is a better place with Creeps, Groomers and Degenerates opting out of the world.

Anyway, does this count as peaking, if I'm only really transphobic from trans people's point of view?

Maybe? In my case the trans movement made me dislike trans people as a whole, although I would give individual trans people I meet a chance and I would consider some of them friends even today, but I will not deny I am wary at first whenever I meet a person of Transness.

 

[Hinttitroniikka]

I would give individual trans people I meet a chance and I would consider some of them friends even today, but I will not deny I am wary at first whenever I meet a person of Transness.

I agree, not because I have a particular issue with the gender stuff, but because of the likelihood they'll want to make me talk about it and then get mad at me for it. I have the same problem with Gays Against Groomers even though I agree with probably 80% of their stuff. So apart from a handful of posts here and chilling irl with my Friends Of Gender, I've checked out of the whole thing.

 

[Not A Bunny]

I agree, not because I have a particular issue with the gender stuff, but because of the likelihood they'll want to make me talk about it and then get mad at me for it. I have the same problem with Gays Against Groomers even though I agree with probably 80% of their stuff. So apart from a handful of posts here and chilling irl with my Friends Of Gender, I've checked out of the whole thing.

I pretty much am wary of anyone that isn't white these days, and I'm pretty dubious when it comes to women as well.
It's like, how much of the victim mentality have you absorbed, and how much are you going to project it onto me?

 

[Hinttitroniikka]

I pretty much am wary of anyone that isn't white these days, and I'm pretty dubious when it comes to women as well.
It's like, how much of the victim mentality have you absorbed, and how much are you going to project it onto me?

Eh, I think the difference is that the trans stuff is mostly a social media thing, whereas if you go out into the world (at least outside the USA and some European countries), people are more socially conservative or "based." Sure people have victim complexes about different things, but I don't think it remotely compares to the social contagion aspect of the recent uptick in transgenderism. Plus, in other parts of the world, people have other enemies besides white people or men or whatever group du jour.

 

[Kiislova]

h, I think the difference is that the trans stuff is mostly a social media thing, whereas if you go out into the world (at least outside the USA and some European countries), people are more socially conservative or "based."

I would remove that exception as well. You would be surprised how people lean towards based when there is no one recording what is being said. People that you would consider past redemption regarding praising the girlcock (Gays, Furries, Gay furries , mostly males in my experience) will admit they are tired of them and their antics.

However, they are perfectly aware and admit that not in a million years would they post that on Xitter or any other place where it could be linked to them like Telegram or othre socials. But sharing a beer? Some are one step away from TTD.

 

[TruffleSpark]

The main thing that peak transes people is just actually encountering troons.

That's certainly what did it for me.

I never peaked but i've brought up this topic before.This is what made me have 0 doubts that the whole trans thing is bullshit.Just the way these TIFs justify how their pregnancies aren't a "female experience".

A big thing with gender ideology is it defines "femaleness" purely in terms of things that a man can acquire. So breasts are female because through estrogen/surgery a man can acquire, at least a crude approximation of female breasts. So therefore breasts are female. But a man cannot acquire pregnancy, so therefore pregnancy is not female. It's insane.

 

[Jacques1194]

That's certainly what did it for me.

A big thing with gender ideology is it defines "femaleness" purely in terms of things that a man can acquire. So breasts are female because through estrogen/surgery a man can acquire, at least a crude approximation of female breasts. So therefore breasts are female. But a man cannot acquire pregnancy, so therefore pregnancy is not female. It's insane.

Funny cause TIMs insist that womb transplants will one day allow them to get pregnant and give birth.Some of them really believe that once they do that they'll be the women they were meant to be.What i find bizarre about the whole pregnancy thing is that a TRA insisted that along as these TIFs male identity was being affirmed that they can coup with getting pregnant.Its almost like they have to brainwash themselves into believing pregnancy doesn't make one female in order to justify their contradicting ideology.

 

[AnOminous]

Funny cause TIMs insist that womb transplants will one day allow them to get pregnant and give birth.Some of them really believe that once they do that they'll be the women they were meant to be.What i find bizarre about the whole pregnancy thing is that a TRA insisted that along as these TIFs male identity was being affirmed that they can coup with getting pregnant.Its almost like they have to brainwash themselves into believing pregnancy doesn't make one female in order to justify their contradicting ideology.

This is in some Yudkowsky post-singularity world, though, where you could also probably use a desktop gene sequencer to re-encode your Y chromosome into another X chromosome by pasting in some shit from your mom or whatever, then re-grow your body and actually be female.

Ain't happening any time soon.

 

[Lady Bizness]

I will never understand how rational women don't see the link between this, and bog-standard suicide baiting boyfriend behavior.

I had one of these. There was a moment where I braced myself for what I was about to witness hoping that he just got it over with before he turned it on me. Somehow he decided to curl up in a ball and watch Cartoon Network instead.

Anywhoo... every time I'm in a workshop that tries to pull the suicide bait schtick I get a little closer to just spilling my guts about something I'd really like to forget. It makes me so fucking angry. Everyone thinks I'm just sad about people dieing. God if they only knew they'd think I'm a monster.

So while we're at it, fuck people who commit suicide. One of my husband's coworkers roped himself and his wife asked a different coworker to check on him because she had a bad feeling. So he leaves behind kids and a wife- I met them very sweet and loving. The coworker who cut him down (why? Leave him up there!) was haunted by the experience and got back on drugs and nearly killed himself.

Another two ropers I knew did it in a very public way scarring many. My empathy is short.

 

[glass_houses]

I had one of these. There was a moment where I braced myself for what I was about to witness hoping that he just got it over with before he turned it on me. Somehow he decided to curl up in a ball and watch Cartoon Network instead.

Anywhoo... every time I'm in a workshop that tries to pull the suicide bait schtick I get a little closer to just spilling my guts about something I'd really like to forget. It makes me so fucking angry. Everyone thinks I'm just sad about people dieing. God if they only knew they'd think I'm a monster.

So while we're at it, fuck people who commit suicide. One of my husband's coworkers roped himself and his wife asked a different coworker to check on him because she had a bad feeling. So he leaves behind kids and a wife- I met them very sweet and loving. The coworker who cut him down (why? Leave him up there!) was haunted by the experience and got back on drugs and nearly killed himself.

Another two ropers I knew did it in a very public way scarring many. My empathy is short.

The only people who'd think you are a monster... are other monsters. Threatening to kill yourself is a manipulation tactic that abusers use. You have every right to think that anyone who uses it is an evil cunt. You know, because you've been there.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

The only people who'd think you are a monster... are other monsters. Threatening to kill yourself is a manipulation tactic that abusers use. You have every right to think that anyone who uses it is an evil cunt. You know, because you've been there.

Only time you should talk about killing yourself is when asking people to stop you from killing yourself right now. I don't mean "if you leave me I will kill myself" but "I can't be trusted alone because I almost did something and I'm not sure if I can resist it again". It's perfectly fine to ask help if you are going trough mental health crisis. Of course you can't be entirely rational when you are at that point but you can try remember what you should expect. If you get help, you should accept that help might not come in way you like it. You might get hospitalized and others will be angry with you. Just remember those problems are temporary unlike death.

 

[kukkia]

I what did it for me was being in a moderately sized anime-related group and seeing some new members posting on an on about how bad men are and then realizing that all these members are trans, so basically just guys larping as women.

I definitely fall more towards the moderate side of things by KF standards, and I have known some trans people who are otherwise perfectly fine and easy to get along with. It's just that the activists have really done a great job of annoying the hell out of me with all kinds of stupid shit.

 

[TismFarmer]

Hubby and I were talking about this the other day. When I was a young sperg, I was considered extremely Liberal as I believed the same thing. If 2 men want to have sex in the privacy of their bedroom-not my business nor a problem. If a man felt better dressing and living as a woman, not my business nor a problem.
Now I'm considered unbelievably Conservative because I believe the same thing. A man can dress and live as a woman but is NOT actually a woman and it's crazy to say so. A man can live as a woman, but I expect them to have the same courtesy as other people. If you change in the ladies, use a cubicle and don't parade around naked. Most people probably wouldn't notice or have a problem with that. But they want to parade their hard ons around in front of little girls and old ladies and that's WAY too far,much the same as I don't have a problem with gay people living their lives but a degenerate parade, showing dildos, simulated ass fucking and furry filth, all paid for and promoted by my local council and tax dollars and shown on state sponsored free to air TV. NOT OK. Happening anyway tho...

 

[Public Disrespector]

I what did it for me was being in a moderately sized anime-related group and seeing some new members posting on an on about how bad men are and then realizing that all these members are trans, so basically just guys larping as women.

I wonder how much female athletic participation will decline now that they have to compete against men.

I'll never get over my own surprise that women folded like seven-duce in defending their own spaces. Why is the mid blond dental student the only one willing to say the obvious?

 

[glass_houses]

I wonder how much female athletic participation will decline now that they have to compete against men.

I'll never get over my own surprise that women folded like seven-duce in defending their own spaces. Why is the mid blond dental student the only one willing to say the obvious?

Because the ones that do get the shit beaten out of them by crowds of violent males. They get incessant threats telling them that they should be raped to death. Rallies and conferences that they organise or attend are mobbed by screaming crowds. They lose their jobs over their 'bigotry and transphobia'.

I've been in the position of trying to keep my workplace running after being called a racist by hr and management when I informed them that my supervisor was a fully fledged narcissist and I carrying both his workload and mine. I had documents and witnesses. They didn't believe a fucking thing I said because mah poc. It eventually cost them a fuckton of money and clients and lost operations time but by that stage I'd already been laid off and had a breakdown from the stress.

You can be strong, you can be a warrior, but having the shit beaten out of you by males howling that they are going to rape you to death, while cops in uniforms stand by and watch gets to you after a while. And the sad fact of the matter is that if your workplace management and hr is infested with sjws, you are fucked. Flat out fucked. Your career is dead in the water and the second you put your pinky toe out of line, they'll chop off your entire fucking foot.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

Because the ones that do get the shit beaten out of them by crowds of violent males. They get incessant threats telling them that they should be raped to death. Rallies and conferences that they organise or attend are mobbed by screaming crowds. They lose their jobs over their 'bigotry and transphobia'.

I've been in the position of trying to keep my workplace running after being called a racist by hr and management when I informed them that my supervisor was a fully fledged narcissist and I carrying both his workload and mine. I had documents and witnesses. They didn't believe a fucking thing I said because mah poc. It eventually cost them a fuckton of money and clients and lost operations time but by that stage I'd already been laid off and had a breakdown from the stress.

You can be strong, you can be a warrior, but having the shit beaten out of you by males howling that they are going to rape you to death, while cops in uniforms stand by and watch gets to you after a while. And the sad fact of the matter is that if your workplace management and hr is infested with sjws, you are fucked. Flat out fucked. Your career is dead in the water and the second you put your pinky toe out of line, they'll chop off your entire fucking foot.

Fun fact, keeping a low profile isnt encouraged either. I keep an extremely low profile at work to the point nobody knows anything about me except name and where I'm from. I don't divulge interests, I don't take part in celebratory stuff, I navigate away from any and all personal info including "what did you do on the weekend", I basically act like a non person except ofc doing my work. I got slapped on the wrist by a report saying I had a bad work ethic and wasnt a team player. It just doesn't work, they want you terminally online and plugged in but you should play by their rules.

 

[Public Disrespector]

You can be strong, you can be a warrior, but having the shit beaten out of you by males howling that they are going to rape you to death, while cops in uniforms stand by and watch gets to you after a while. And the sad fact of the matter is that if your workplace management and hr is infested with sjws, you are fucked. Flat out fucked. Your career is dead in the water and the second you put your pinky toe out of line, they'll chop off your entire fucking foot.

Fair points all around, but I do want to give you a white pill on SJW's in HR.

There is a guy on one of our crews who is a solid worker. Been with us for 15 years, never so much as a single tardy. Does physically demanding stuff without complaint. Older guy, max of 90 IQ, but is exactly the kind of dude you want.

One time he got rear ended in a work vehicle, and policy is he has to take a DT. He complies, and at the test they tell him he has to disrobe in front of the nurse to prove he isn't trying to fake the test . The nurse he is told to do this in front of is a man. He says exactly what you would expect someone in his demographic to say - 'no I ain't doing that faggot shit' - and got the fuck out of there. This means he has both used a Forbidden Gamer Word AND refused a drug test. While refusing the test is the same as failing it and has a set penalty (that is pretty lenient IMO), the SJWs in HR had made Gamer Word Usage grounds for immediate termination and moved on him immediately.

I absolutely refuse to go along with this, call the senior management in, and we have it out at max professional volume. They base their entire argument on the 'official policies' that were in place, and the 'harm to the workplace' from 'bigoted language'. I don't dispute any of that and state the obvious - he's a 50+ man who didn't finish high school and you want to fire him over breaking a social taboo that only over-educated, white collar professionals born after 1980 would have any hope of understanding. We needed men like him to do the job he was doing because, frankly, no one else wants to. I also mentioned these men on our crews used language 10x worse then they knew, but they would never know that since they had not been in the field once in their lives. I asked them if they wanted to go out there and do backbreaking physical labor for 8 hours a day in his place. They said no, they didn't. By then both they and I knew I had won the room.

The end result was the guy got a minor punishment for the test refusal, and the Gamer Word Policy was revoked. These people can be defeated.

 

[GilaCutter]

Because the ones that do get the shit beaten out of them by crowds of violent males. They get incessant threats telling them that they should be raped to death.

Such feminine behaviour.

I did start that way, the "good side of history" went past me without me moving. Then I started moving away from it, in that order.

Same here, although I'm still uncertain if I actually moved away from it or not. A lot of the things I think I've come around on, I don't think I ever felt all that strongly about in the first place. I hold a lot of oldschool lefty values, but I've also been against immigration to some extent at least since I became politically aware, and I've also never held particularly strong views about things like nuclear power so going from "no strong opinion" to either direction isn't exactly a 180.