Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[Nouvostonolion]

My old friend group when I was a teen in high school had a porn addicted mtf tranny as one of the main figureheads. He was liked for being "nice and supportive" and that cemented him as someone members of our group went to whenever they needed to talk about their problems.

I think it was my junior year of high school when this first happened but the tranny noticed I started growing out my hair and was for some reason convinced that was a sign I was trans. The months that followed had him try to unsuccessfully egg me on towards transitioning, I brushed it off at the time since I thought it was just him giving weird advice based on his own experiences but it got more annoying every time he brought it up.

What led me to hitting "peak trans" was when he tried egging me on while I was going through a bad breakup. I'm ad-libbing but I remember him saying "Y'know, I felt like that before I realized I was trans" after I was done talking about how depressed I was over my ex girlfriend. Hearing him say those words when I expected to be comforted did nothing but make me unbelievably angry. I told him off for being a fucking weirdo and called him selfish for trying to push his beliefs onto me. Afterwards, he backed off from trying to convince me but it seems he ended up holding a grudge because I would end up getting kicked out from the friend group only a few months later.

Fast forward to then and he somehow has everyone in the group convinced that I'm some sort of potentially violent transphobe. At the time I only voiced minor criticism towards the trans community along with my disdain for my tranny friend's creepy behavoir to a few choice people I was close with. The tranny, along with those friends I voiced my concerns with, got this fucked up intervention style meeting set up over Discord; having 8/9 people from our group to join. They planned the whole thing for a while it seems because of how organized it all was, even going as far to involve friends from the group that I never discussed this situation with.

I'll never forget how he lured me into joining the call, it was under the guise of getting all of us together to play a game that we haven't played in a while. I remember my heart dropping when I joined the call and the tranny addressed me with a stern voice, stating that this is an intervention that "needed" to happen because of the "hateful" things I said about him and the trans community to our friends. They kept saying that they were worried about the pipeline I was going down and how everyone was too afraid to speak up. Then, we went over various text messages I had sent that were critical of transgenderism. The group had me explain why I felt the way I did but only to shut me down to tell me why I was wrong.

The event itself was beyond humiliating. I think the most disturbing thing about it all was at the end, where my friends were willing to keep me in the group so long as I apologize and try to "grow as a person". I unfortunately ended up apologizing, probably since I was young and didn't want to lose the friends I had, but I very quickly ended up distancing myself once I noticed how unfriendly everyone had gotten. I still can't get over that after all these years, some of the closest friends I've had, some of which I knew since elementary school, treated me like a monster for not liking the fact that a sexpest tranny was trying to force his fetish onto me.

I haven't seen anyone from the group since I graduated, but I still wonder how everyone ended up. I hope they all got away from the group after everyone went their separate ways but do I fear some of them may have trooned out just by how pushy that tranny was.

 

[hotpocalypse]

When I read about the "cotton celing" aka transwomen fuming over lesbians not wanting to date them. Lots of "just take dick" retorick...ick!

 

[Barbenheimer]

The event itself was humiliating but I think the most disturbing thing about it all was that my friends were willing to keep me in the group so long as I apologize and try to "grow as a person". I unfortunately ended up apologizing at the time

That’s a shame it happened so young I’m sure the you now would’ve just told them to fuck off and immediately, and willingly, leave that group of “friends”.

What led me to hitting "peak trans" was when he tried egging me on while I was going through a bad breakup. I'm ad-libbing but I remember him saying "Y'know, I felt like that before I realized I was trans"

It’s a straight religion, I knew these door to door people who would try to convert people to their faith, some kind of branch of Christianity where they believe in “Mother God” but can’t remember the denomination. Anyway I made friends with one of them and we kept in touch and at every opportunity in conversation he’d always try to convert me, especially when I was expressing if I was in a low point in life on some level. I quickly stopped knowing him because it wasn’t even genuine friendship, I was just a number he wanted to add to his church. Troonism is no different, it’s a religion whose goal is to spread the “gospel” and their good news of cutting off your cock, being a sexpest freak, and trying to convert others- the younger the better

 

[Polexia Aphrodisia]

some kind of branch of Christianity where they believe in “Mother God” but can’t remember the denomination

That's most likely World Mission Society Church of God. Also known as the "God the Mother" cult, well-known for approaching people in stores (much like Amway cult members) and being the subject of rumors involving women being kidnapped in Target parking lots.

 

[bouquetnine]

The event itself was beyond humiliating. I think the most disturbing thing about it all was at the end, where my friends were willing to keep me in the group so long as I apologize and try to "grow as a person". I unfortunately ended up apologizing, probably since I was young and didn't want to lose the friends I had, but I very quickly ended up distancing myself once I noticed how unfriendly everyone had gotten. I still can't get over that after all these years, some of the closest friends I've had, some of which I knew since elementary school, treated me like a monster for not liking the fact that a sexpest tranny was trying to force his fetish onto me.

I can relate so much to this. They tell you to "grow" and be better, but then they treat you like a second class citizen and assume the worst intentions at all times. All of the little lies they tell themselves to justify dehumanizing you. After that point all they're waiting for is some catalyst so they can manufacture an excuse to cut you out entirely. It's extremely abusive and gross.

 

[Meth Reindeer]

I am unsure if I have peaked yet, but I am getting there.

I think anyone pretending to be a woman to avoid serving a tough time in prison or to have access to easier targets is obviously a shitheel coward.

I am sure there are some people with real dysphoria, and for them medically "transitioning" might be a viable help, but the more I think about it, the more I lean towards the idea that these kinds of people need help getting them comfortable in their real-world gender and not indulging in a fragile fantasy that can be put in jeopardy by any random passer-by or slip of the tongue. Resilience is a key life skill after all.

People giving life-altering drugs to minors who cannot vote, drink or even drive is just plain crazy. Those enabling such behavior need to be questioned and watched at every turn, especially credentialed people. It's just a form of abuse wearing the colors of compassion. It reminds me of the key difference between being nice and kind. Sometimes the kind thing to do is NOT nice. Especially when it comes to kids it's important to say no and set them on a healthy path for their life.

I was going to go into a rant on my background to vent; I even typed a lot of it out, but that would be some serious power-leveling. Suffice it to say, I've had less experience than some owing to my age (the trans-fad wasn't around when I went to school). I'll give a very short and sweet summary, avoiding too much detail.

Spoiler: boring background

Like so many others have said, I have always been pretty live and let live. Not raised particularly religious and always been respectful of peoples sexuality. I've had gay and lesbian friends as a teenager; in fact one of my best friends at the end of high school was "gay." That's in quote marks as he was totally obsessed with another female friend but no other girls. I think the kids these days call that pansexual, but we'd just call it being bi.

I had some encounters online with a member of an online community when I was in my mid teens. A guy pretended to be a girl even though I already knew him as a guy and wanted me to go on cam etc. This is very pre-Discord, so it was also easier to ignore such people as he had no social power and was widely considered an asshole by many anyway.

I've always been a "nerd," but luckily my college education happened in a time and place where this stuff was largely a non-issue. I did have one guy on my course who fit the bill for transing out though, long greasy hair, artsy, quiet, anime profile pic, in a world of their own etc. Unfortunately, I haven't kept in contact with people from those days so I don't know if my suspicion was right.

The thing that has me teetering on peak was an encounter I had with a "friend" of my wife a few years before we were married:

Spoiler: story time

My then fiancee had a group of people she played board games with every other week. Normally they'd play games around a particular couples house, but occasionally moved it around. So one day it comes to my partner's turn to host. This happened before we officially moved in together, but were splitting our time between both our apartments until one lease was up. So I helped her get the apartment ready. Only 3 people in total were coming, the couple who normally host and one guy on his own. At that point I hadn't met any of them but I knew one of the couple was a trans "woman", the other being a "lesbian" (biologically female.) In my naivety, I thought all I needed to be was welcoming, and treat them like everyone else. I was wrong.

Before all this she had told me how stressful she found interacting with this group. They were very left leaning and not shy talking about politics, something my wife paid little attention to. Additionally, she often felt like she was walking on eggshells when around them. They had some pretty decent jobs (except the mtf who couldn't hold one down) that required masters or Phd degrees, and carried themselves with an air of superiority that could intimidate her at times (even though she herself holds a masters degree).

I won't go into specifics but the evening wasn't great. It started out fine and seemed to finish fine, but the middle was messy. I was even paired with the trans "woman". They didn't really pass, and didn't look or sound dissimilar to one of my own male autist friends with long hair. We did well enough in one of the team games and I thought we were getting along. Then the couple end up pulling out some monstrously complex board game, the kind that takes 30 minutes to set up, another 30 mins to explain, and then at least an hour or two to play. This is where the drama of the evening happens. Specifics would be too revealing, sufficed to say we all play the game as intended and one person kicks off when someone does something unexpected and antagonistic, but within the rules, in an attempt to either win or stop others from winning. Having not played the game before I just thought this was a bit of fun. Cool heads seemingly prevail though, that person ends up losing and others are still able to win. I assumed it was just a weird group dynamic they had. The evening draws to a close without anyone openly hating anyone else, good byes are said, etc.

It's the aftermath of this event that had me pissed off. The troon reaches out to my wife and expresses that they dislike me and think I am a transphobe. This was based on our single meeting; the one where I was friendly, respectful of their pronouns, used their chosen name, and never brought up a controversial (even to a leftist) opinion. Their evidence? Apparently something I was wearing promoted a creator who was a transphobe. Something I nor my wife knew or cared about, and was never brought up in person. My wife was both bemused and angered by the way they behaved, and decided to step away from the friendship she had with them.

It was the bitter taste left from being as welcoming and accepting as I could, and the two-faced response that has pushed me near peak. What's hilarious is that the trans person seriously wanted my wife to choose between me and her friendship with them, and when she was adamant in our relationship they cowardly reneged on their ultimatum and tried to stay friends. I've never said this to my wife, but I always had the feeling that the troon wanted to either date her or become her, purely based on how they'd behave around her.

 

[AngryAboutInternets]

I don't know if it's possible to "peak" once you're already at TTD levels but here's a somewhat funny but also horrifying anecdote from a few days ago that I personally experienced.

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On a different website than this one, there was a discussion going on about streamers, income, and the like. I made a joke to the effect of (not exact phrasing just to avoid easily linking this account to that one if someone saw this exchange): "Man you know it sure sucks being born a man, I can't just pay a grand for a shitty Live2D avatar and make thousands a month pretending to be fetish material for teenage boys while actually being a fat, disgusting, useless mid-30s slob who belongs in a mental asylum. When's there going to be a Phase Connect for loser men like me? Damned gynocentrism, fucked up world bro, guess that's the price of having a dick these days."

This was VERY OBVIOUSLY a joke. Not just because of the context in which it was posted, but because it's not even really an accurate statement in any way and the people in the discussion knew that. Basically it was just taking the piss for a laugh, and there were laughs. Then I went to bed.

I woke up to not just one, not just two, but SIX separate PMs from random individuals with anime avatars who I had never spoken to before. One was just some autist rageposting at me for insulting vtubers. The other 5 were, I shit you not, 5 separate people individually telling me that I should take vocal training to sound like a woman, three of which told me that it was also easy to get estrogen. One of the estrogen ones also explicitly asked me if I had ever considered the possibility that I was actually trans, linked several troon vtubers, and offered to get me into a discord for "support". Finally, one of them (not one of the estrogen ones, oddly) literally had "loli" in their name, and their particular avatar was cropped porn of a female character.

To summarize that: I made a self-deprecating joke insinuating that if I were a woman I could be a vtuber and FIVE (5) fucking troons immediately zeroed in on me as a grooming target within 8 hours. You want to know how children end up getting trooned out through an iPad like it's possessed by a demon or something? It happens like this. For god's sake if you have kids do not let them on any social media or forums in the current year.

You do not hate them enough, I assure you.

 

[Twix Eatr]

There is no difference between transgender and transracial.

The ass-whooping you'd get when black dudes see you with cornrows? Rachel Dolezal got clowned on by everyone on national T.V., and she was actually the head of the NAACP (and qualified for it). If they can tear down one beautiful ebony sista like that, think of the white boys?

But yes, same shit, although the reason above is why I think it's impossible. These ideas needs women only to marginalize.

This is a really fucking weird way to talk about a child and the entire story could have been easily communicated without it.

Agreed. I was actually looking for a place to ask something that's somewhat related to this, though. Well, his weird ass phrasing that sounds like a pedo is related. Since I'm seeing more and more examples of normalizing the sexualization of children, I was curious about finding examples of the effort to sneak in their language.

Interestingly, today my homepage on YouTube had a video of a young girl ranting like an "adult." I put together a script to scrape comments and scan for specific keywords or phrases. The script filters them by phrases that promote the child as more mature or intelligent than a child and whatnot. I want to compare to similar videos released prior to the spread of LLMs.

It's super rough right now, but I ran it on a 6-year-old video with a similar theme. The new video had like 2-3x the same phrases across the board to the older one. Too early to tell if that means anything, of course.

Shit like this:

"what a beautiful little adult in a child’s body, but very switched on"
"thats and adult child!"
"she's hilarious. more intelligent conversation than adults."
"how adorable is she!!?! so mature beyond her years<3"

Admittedly, these might be innocent on their own, but if we can update the keyword selection, prune the data, and turn the scraping onto enough videos, I'm sure we could notice trends that weren't there before LLM's if something's really up. I doubt people would have wildly different comments a few years back if these were truly organic.

Is there anything like this on the Farms already? I think finding evidence of mass manipulation to shift public opinion could be a cool thread.

Peaking: Realizing they weren't "identifying as" anymore is what started my peaking.

 

[Croaking Spider]

I don't consider how I currently feel as "peaked", this isn't even my final form.

I was pretty live-and-let-live about things like peoples' sexuality when I was younger, with the caveat that you kept your degeneracy in private. The more troons starting to push to normalize it, the more it radicalized me against them. The point where they are openly and brazenly bragging about trooning out kids is when I slid from "keep in the bedroom" to "bite the fucking curb".

My disappointment ALMOST surpassed my disgust when I starting noticing women (primarily liberal lower-middle class white women) acting as handmaidens and carrying water for them. I personally ended up experiencing a falling out with an old friend over the topic. I couldn't and still can't wrap my around why any woman, much less one WITH KIDS, would go to bat for trannies. The absolute irony of this "friend" is that she's one of those hardline man haters who claims all men are dangerous and rapists by default. But one in a dress? Stunning and brave, no issues at all. When you'd try to question her on why trannies have a tendency to groom kids, she would always immediately try to deflect and spin shit towards "muh church". Don't you dare point out the fact that the common ground between trannies and pastors diddling young boys is the fact that they're both crimes committed by faggots though, that's "bigotry".

Hopefully her daughter will grow up and realize her mother is batshit insane. I don't wish ill will on either of them, but I DO hope they have an intense peaking.

 

[Otterly]

I unfortunately ended up apologizing, probably since I was young and didn't want to lose the friends I had, but I very quickly ended up distancing myself once I noticed how unfriendly everyone had gotten

Don’t feel bad about it, that is an awful position to put anyone in, you just get out of it any way you can, especially if you’re young. You had a lucky escape - you don’t need people like that in your life.
And… It’s also given you a look under the hood of how people operate when they take power. So now you’ve seen up close and personal how one person can command a group like that - you’re aware of it, and you’ll see it coming next time. Many people don’t get that lesson until they’re much older.
You’ve seen and experienced it, you have somewhere like KF to discuss it. I had nowhere like this as a younger woman and I really wish I had, I think I’d have had quite a different life, and maybe a better one.
There’s a poster on here I chat with who is fond of saying that every interaction you have teaches you something, whether it’s a good or bad interaction, there’s a lesson for you in it. I have tried to take that to heart recently and I think he’s right. you learned something here, and you’ll be stronger for it.

I don't consider how I currently feel as "peaked", this isn't even my final form.

Oh you and me both. I was fairly live and let live and I’m sauntering to Total Degenerate Death territory. I think perhaps there may be a lesson for me here about looking into the abyss…

 

[sheepworldvizor]

claims all men are dangerous and rapists by default. But one in a dress? Stunning and brave, no issues at all.

Now I’m wondering if she’d choose the bear in a dress, or a man in a dress.

 

[bouquetnine]

I personally ended up experiencing a falling out with an old friend over the topic. I couldn't and still can't wrap my around why any woman, much less one WITH KIDS, would go to bat for trannies. The absolute irony of this "friend" is that she's one of those hardline man haters who claims all men are dangerous and rapists by default. But one in a dress? Stunning and brave, no issues at all.

"You wouldn't dare come out as a TERF, would you? They're evil and we regularly excommunicate them all of the time!"

 

[2mm and 99 others]

I unfortunately ended up apologizing, probably since I was young and didn't want to lose the friends I had,

Not that shameful, there are people who sacrificed their sexual function and health so they could have at least some sense of community and belonging somewhere. There are those who went through some stupid fucking hazing and now they try to reframe it as an important rite of passage. Could be worse.

 

[Nick Obre]

"You wouldn't dare come out as a TERF, would you? They're evil and we regularly excommunicate them all of the time!"

"No, of course not. I would never be caught dead calling myself a *spit* feminist."

 

[Caesare]

If people don't like Troons you have only yourselves to blame. Your disgusting kind burned away all acceptance and tolerance the gays had been working on since the 70's in less than ten years with your repulsive deviant behavior

Even NAMBLA couldn't pull that off back when they decided to align themselves with the LGBTQ crowd. Troons really are a special kind of menace.

I couldn't and still can't wrap my around why any woman, much less one WITH KIDS, would go to bat for trannies

I think it's naivete and ignorance. They're not putting them under any scrutiny so they don't see them as the creeps we all know they are. Once in awhile, send them an article that's critical of their awful behavior. After they see it's not an isolated few who act that way, they may at least be a bit more hesitant about speaking up for them, even if they'd never admit it to you.

 

[Dolly Brooks]

Now I’m wondering if she’d choose the bear in a dress, or a man in a dress.

Depends, is the bear also wearing a Party City wig?

 

[horseorigin]

What led me to hitting "peak trans" was when he tried egging me on while I was going through a bad breakup. I'm ad-libbing but I remember him saying "Y'know, I felt like that before I realized I was trans" after I was done talking about how depressed I was over my ex girlfriend. Hearing him say those words when I expected to be comforted did nothing but make me unbelievably angry. I told him off for being a fucking weirdo and called him selfish for trying to push his beliefs onto me.

The tranny, along with those friends I voiced my concerns with, got this fucked up intervention style meeting set up over Discord; having 8/9 people from our group to join. They planned the whole thing for a while

It’s crazy that this guy had the temerity to try and groom you not once, but TWICE. Predatory beyond belief. I bet you anything he was hoping you would’ve confessed to actually being a closet tranny and being afflicted with a terrible case of internalized transphobia at the end of that call. It’s just evil. Every single person who was complicit in facilitating that awful experience is going to have to live with the fact that they’re manipulators for the rest of their lives. When the realization hits them of what they tried to do, I think it will be very hard for them to ever be truly happy with themselves.

Not that shameful, there are people who sacrificed their sexual function and health so they could have at least some sense of community and belonging somewhere. There are those who went through some stupid fucking hazing and now they try to reframe it as an important rite of passage. Could be worse.

True. It seems awful remembering the feelings, but you dodged a bullet by refusing to capitulate and now have your head set straight for good. A rare gift for a young man.

 

[Nick Obre]

It’s crazy that this guy had the temerity to try and groom you not once, but TWICE. Predatory beyond belief. I bet you anything he was hoping you would’ve confessed to actually being a closet tranny and being afflicted with a terrible case of internalized transphobia at the end of that call. It’s just evil. Every single person who was complicit in facilitating that awful experience is going to have to live with the fact that they’re manipulators for the rest of their lives. When the realization hits them of what they tried to do, I think it will be very hard for them to ever be truly happy with themselves.

True. It seems awful remembering the feelings, but you dodged a bullet by refusing to capitulate and now have your head set straight for good. A rare gift for a young man.

A propos not of your comment but of your profile picture, thank fuck Escaflowne came out when it did and is now a hidden gem -which should remain hidden-, or these mentals would claim Dilandau as a trans icon.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

When I read about the "cotton celing" aka transwomen fuming over lesbians not wanting to date them. Lots of "just take dick" retorick...ick!

Didn't take more than a few years for troons to no longer have to write "I'm a lesbian" because men in dresses hunting women is the norm. Now they have to state the opposite, "straight transwoman" and even then you can tell other troons are ugh'ing them about it. They're so absolutely hooked on the troonydom that you have to be one, date one, and speak only in favor of them.

Honestly? Being a no-friend loser in your teens is starting to seem like the best case. Or to be surface-level friends with a bunch of dudebros who just get drunk and make the occasional sexist joke. Sure as shit better than dudes sitting around pretending to be women and treating each other in same way; emotional manipulation and other socialite tactics.

 

[Bloo]

I don’t know where to post this but have some good news about my sister, she has peaked too. I don’t normally talk about this in my personal life but she brought it up. She was saying how ridiculous all of this has gotten. She’s bisexual and has dated women in the past so was a part of the LGBT community a while ago. Nice to see. I don’t know how far down the rabbit hole she has fallen.