Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[Chickenpolar]

I don’t know where to post this but have some good news about my sister, she has peaked too. I don’t normally talk about this in my personal life but she brought it up. She was saying how ridiculous all of this has gotten. She’s bisexual and has dated women in the past so was a part of the LGBT community a while ago. Nice to see. I don’t know how far down the rabbit hole she has fallen.

Exposure to the modern day trans "woman" is the greatest peaking material in the world.

A very LibFem of mine ("sex work is work", abortions, for "trans rights" 15 years ago before this stuff was mainstream) started to peak because the "front hole"/"body with a vagina" language is dehumanizing.

 

[Dolly Brooks]

Exposure to the modern day trans "woman" is the greatest peaking material in the world.

A very LibFem of mine ("sex work is work", abortions, for "trans rights" 15 years ago before this stuff was mainstream) started to peak because the "front hole"/"body with a vagina" language is dehumanizing.

They’ve been talking non-stop about becoming more visible since the election, thinking that will somehow help. It’s very funny.

I think a lot of libfems still picture some bullied gay kid who likes nail polish vs. Buffalo Bill. Obviously the HSTS have their own problems but they’re a lot less likely to dig through the trash for used tampons. r/MTF should be required reading for any woman still supporting this shit.

 

[Bloo]

They shot themselves in the foot. 10-15 years ago most people had this vague “live and let live” mentality about transness and barely thought about it for longer than five seconds. I was one of them. They had every right to take cross sex hormone, dress how they please, go into the bathroom they wanted to use etc. They never had to make this scene and expose themselves like this.

 

[Chickenpolar]

I think a lot of libfems still picture some bullied gay kid who likes nail polish vs. Buffalo Bill. Obviously the HSTS have their own problems but they’re a lot less likely to dig through the trash for used tampons. r/MTF should be required reading for any woman still supporting this shit.

I think that's how everybody not exposed pictures them. I know back during the North Carolina bathroom bill that was my conception of them (I'm an idiot).

It wasn't until reading r/MTF and r/ItsAFetish that I started "questioning" and then being exposed to Jonathan Yaniv 100% peaking me.

 

[Bloo]

I’m kinda tempted to send my sister a few videos or book recommendations like Helen Joyce. She does read a lot but idk if she’d care enough about this to read it. Any recommendations for someone who doesn’t seem super deep into this?

 

[The Poopsmith]

Can I ask why?
What could possibly make you think you were neither male nor female for two years despite all the evidence to the contrary?

I think it was more of a social question than a biological one for me. I did want some of what the opposite sex had, but not all of it. The conclusion I came to based on the information I had was that I was in the middle, so I settled on NB. Ironically this only reinforced the notion of a binary, I just wish I had realized this sooner.

 

[Bloo]

I think it was more of a social question than a biological one for me. I did want some of what the opposite sex had, but not all of it. The conclusion I came to based on the information I had was that I was in the middle, so I settled on NB. Ironically this only reinforced the notion of a binary, I just wish I had realized this sooner.

I’ve never called myself trans/nb but was an “ally” to a degree. I was the same way. I still had the “sex is biological, gender is social. Trans people are changing their gender identity/expression” idea. Then I noticed more and more people claiming that they were changing their sex entirely and sex itself was a social construct. They went way off the deep end. I kept noticing a lot of contradictions.

 

[The Poopsmith]

I’ve never called myself trans/nb but was an “ally” to a degree. I was the same way. I still had the “sex is biological, gender is social. Trans people are changing their gender identity/expression” idea. Then I noticed more and more people claiming that they were changing their sex entirely and sex itself was a social construct. They went way off the deep end. I kept noticing a lot of contradictions.

But if you dare to discuss any of these contradictions, you're out of the club. It's all gas and no brakes with these people, that's one thing that made me question whether or not this was a sound ideology

 

[Bloo]

But if you dare to discuss any of these contradictions, you're out of the club. It's all gas and no brakes with these people, that's one thing that made me question whether or not this was a sound ideology

I remember using the term “transgenderism” once, meaning the state of being transgender. People got extremely pissy over that. My comment was very clearly supportive yet they hyper focused on that. I kept asking why it was so offensive and no one explained it well at all. It was exhausting being around any of these people.

 

[The Poopsmith]

I remember using the term “transgenderism” once, meaning the state of being transgender. People got extremely pissy over that. My comment was very clearly supportive yet they hyper focused on that. I kept asking why it was so offensive and no one explained it well at all. It was exhausting being around any of these people.

I got into it with a few people over something similar. If gender is inate, how is anyone transgender? If you are what you are, you're not transitioning to anything. But if you're altering your body to resemble the opposite sex, wouldn't that make you a transsexual? Boy they got mad about that, apparently it's some kind of slur to them. I pressed why they thought this, so they kicked me off the subreddit. Oh those were the days

 

[TismFarmer]

So where do all these trans Ian’s come from?

I know this is a typo, but it really made me giggle...

 

[Dolly Brooks]

I’m kinda tempted to send my sister a few videos or book recommendations like Helen Joyce. She does read a lot but idk if she’d care enough about this to read it. Any recommendations for someone who doesn’t seem super deep into this?

I LOVE HELEN JOYCE and sending videos of her discussing this issue should be fine but idk if I’d recommend her book to a normie newbie who isn’t already seething with rage about this shit. It’s a good primer but kinda dry.

Is there anything else you can say about your sister without getting dox-y? Age range, general political views, etc? I think it’s good to meet people where they’re at and there are a few ways to approach this topic, ranging from sympathetic to super hater. Any news sources she trusts more than others?

Also, tbh, you can do more harm than good if you come on too strong and overload someone with too much information. Even if everything you say is true, it sounds ABSOLUTELY INSANE to people who have no idea how deep this goes. It’s painful for people to learn they’ve been wrong about something for so many years, so much so that a lot of people just shut down and refuse to discuss it further or they dig their heels in deeper.

It might be more effective to be like “Hey, did you see that one news story about the spa in San Francisco? They won’t even let biological women have ONE DAY A MONTH. And one of the people protesting it is a sex offender!” or “Have you heard about Clementine Breen? I know detransitioning is supposed to be rare but it’s really sad.” or “Thank god we didn’t have this as a kid! We were such tomboys!” Plant the seed, let her come to her own conclusion.

 

[Bloo]

I LOVE HELEN JOYCE and sending videos of her discussing this issue should be fine but idk if I’d recommend her book to a normie newbie who isn’t already seething with rage about this shit. It’s a good primer but kinda dry.

Is there anything else you can say about your sister without getting dox-y? Age range, general political views, etc? I think it’s good to meet people where they’re at and there are a few ways to approach this topic, ranging from sympathetic to super hater. Any news sources she trusts more than others?

Also, tbh, you can do more harm than good if you come on too strong and overload someone with too much information. Even if everything you say is true, it sounds ABSOLUTELY INSANE to people who have no idea how deep this goes. It’s painful for people to learn they’ve been wrong about something for so many years, so much so that a lot of people just shut down and refuse to discuss it further or they dig their heels in deeper.

It might be more effective to be like “Hey, did you see that one news story about the spa in San Francisco? They won’t even let biological women have ONE DAY A MONTH. And one of the people protesting it is a sex offender!” or “Have you heard about Clementine Breen? I know detransitioning is supposed to be rare but it’s really sad.” or “Thank god we didn’t have this as a kid! We were such tomboys!” Plant the seed, let her come to her own conclusion.

Thanks! She’s in her late 30’s and married with kids. She’s kinda a lib but not super political. She did say that TIM’s in women’s sports is insane.

 

[Polexia Aphrodisia]

Hey, did you see that one news story about the spa in San Francisco? They won’t even let biological women have ONE DAY A MONTH

I was super bored at work the other day so I was thinking about this issue.

"So what you're saying is, that there should be no space in which women should expect to not be directly exposed to penises. A woman has no right to not be around naked penises?

Well, if trans women are women, why should they get to refuse to go to the men's spa? There are penises in there, and isn't it bigoted for a woman to say she doesn't want to be around penises?

Oh, you're saying that it's only unfair for women to be around other women's penises? So if the person with a penis says they are a woman, women are not allowed to not want to be around that penis? I see. Ok, what's the qualification? If Ron Jeremy walks in and says "I am a woman," it's wrong to not allow Ron Jeremy to go into the women's spa? Because I thought it was transphobic to require any qualification from a trans woman other than her word. So to review, women are not allowed to refuse to be exposed to any penises, as long as the person with the penis says at any point that they are a woman. And this also applies to children."

 

[Hassou Tobi]

I was super bored at work the other day so I was thinking about this issue.

"So what you're saying is, that there should be no space in which women should expect to not be directly exposed to penises. A woman has no right to not be around naked penises?

Well, if trans women are women, why should they get to refuse to go to the men's spa? There are penises in there, and isn't it bigoted for a woman to say she doesn't want to be around penises?

Oh, you're saying that it's only unfair for women to be around other women's penises? So if the person with a penis says they are a woman, women are not allowed to not want to be around that penis? I see. Ok, what's the qualification? If Ron Jeremy walks in and says "I am a woman," it's wrong to not allow Ron Jeremy to go into the women's spa? Because I thought it was transphobic to require any qualification from a trans woman other than her word. So to review, women are not allowed to refuse to be exposed to any penises, as long as the person with the penis says at any point that they are a woman. And this also applies to children."

Yes, that is literally what they say.

"Hatred of penises and equating that with trans women is bio essentialist. Trauma is no excuse for bigotry. They need to deal with it on their own. If someone was afraid of black women we would not think it fair to ban black women from the spa."

Edit: in case anyone doesn’t believe me lol:

 

[Polexia Aphrodisia]

If someone was afraid of black women we would not think it fair to ban black women from the spa

ooh sorry I didn't realize it was possible to force "the state of being black" into someone's orifices

 

[Hassou Tobi]

ooh sorry I didn't realize it was possible to force "the state of being black" into someone's orifices

Equating penises/trans women with rape is one of the worst (and sadly, most common) forms of trans misogyny there is.

 

[Polexia Aphrodisia]

Equating penises/trans women with rape is one of the worst (and sadly, most common) forms of trans misogyny there is.

oooh sorry is there another term for repeatedly forcing other people to be exposed to your genitals when they don't want to be?

And if penises don't equal rape, then again, why do trans women insist that they need to be in spaces where penises generally are not?

(I know you're just playing devil's advocate here, but honestly, it really all just boils down to the belief of "women are never allowed to refuse men as long as those men say the right combo of words")

 

[singlewidetrailer]

I’ve posted here before but I’m posting again. I was at dinner with a few friends and it was around the time Chris Chan got arrested and my friends are also retarded so it came up. I referred to him as “he”. A new member of the group told me I couldn’t do that, because this meant gender shouldn’t be respected if you don’t like the person. I said well he raped his mom with his penis so I’m gonna call him a man. Didn’t have a good dinner overall

 

[Anasa Tristis]

I said well he raped his mom with his penis so I’m gonna call him a man.

Details, details! Kek.

I remember when there was a dust up a while back about a troon wandering about in a "women's ward" in an English hospital. The admins were all like "Oh No, there's no man here, that's impossible! This is a women's ward!" And then they were shown a video of him with his dick out...

Thanks! She’s in her late 30’s and married with kids. She’s kinda a lib but not super political. She did say that TIM’s in women’s sports is insane.

Over on Substack is a free account called PITT (Parents with Inconvenient Truths about Trans) that has real parents writing about their experiences trying to save their kids from Trans Mania. Some horrifying and heartbreaking stuff, but also a wealth of peaking and prevention material. If she's got kids, she needs to start her (and their) education early, and be vigilant.