"Where Have All the Good Men Gone?" - A married person looks at the current crisis of undateable men

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Women have been talking about the lack of good men on the market for about 20 years or so. It’s been the source of countless articles — college-educated men with jobs are harder to find than before. Heck, even blue-collar guys are being snapped up by women who outearn them.

Unfortunately, these articles only tell half the story. They’re looking at marriage from an economic perspective. And you know what? It’s true that most women want to have a man to financially contribute to their family since women will do the majority of the emotional labor at home.

Even so, the shortage of men in the dating world isn’t just an economic issue. Truth be told, the current economy has a lot of women rethinking their need to have a provider in the home. More and more frequently, women are open to being the breadwinner.

So, what’s the deal? Why are women struggling so hard to find a spouse? Economics aside, there are a couple of other reasons why women can’t find good men.

First off, there are some men who are choosing to drop out of the dating scene.​


Whether it’s because they were badly burnt and can’t risk it again, or they just got tired of trying doesn’t matter. A lot of men feel like there is nothing of value in dating or marrying anymore. It’s true.

To a point, I get it.

A lot of women treat men like shit. There’s also this weird current trend where being tall is basically the bare minimum for a large percentage of girls. (I don’t get this. I married someone shorter than me and get flak for it, but I like short men.) All things said, it’s easy to get disheartened with the scene.

Honestly, if a man says he doesn’t want to marry, that’s fine. He shouldn’t be forced to nor should women try to convince him. Personally, I think it’s empowering for men who have been burned to say, “Maybe I should stay single.”

I’m all for men going their own way, provided that they just stop trolling us online. It is healthier for guys to realize that they are not in a good state of mind for dating than it is to continue to try while they build toxic dynamics.

A lot of men who are economically ready for a family are also not emotionally ready.​


I’ll be honest. There’s something very, very wrong about a very sizable percentage of single men. While some single men are diamonds in the rough who just need the right girl, a lot of them are very…hateful.

Most women have received hate mail, harassment, and threats from men like these in their dating profile inboxes. They’ve also witnessed these guys pick apart their appearance, neg them, and abuse them.

This is not attractive. And it’s increasingly common from what I hear. Women talk, and that often means that women end up backing away from guys as a whole. But, that’s another issue.

What I’m saying is that men who treat women like shit and have zero self-awareness are not dateable. Many of these guys also don’t realize that a six-figure salary doesn’t guarantee you sex.

And sadly, there are more and more of them each day.

Of course, a lot of men who would have been married are also openly pursuing other men.​


In the past, not being a married man carried a MASSIVE stigma. The only stigma that was worse was being gay, bisexual, or trans as a man. In the 1960s, this is the type of stuff that would get you beaten and totally ostracized.

Hell, it still is, in many circles.

Things have still changed in much of the country. Nowadays, men don’t have to marry women just to keep up the look of a straight man. They can be openly gay. They also can marry their lovers.

While this does mean less eligible bachelors for women, this is actually a great thing. We should all have the right to date and marry who we are attracted to, regardless of gender.

The issue of male radicalization also has a serious impact on women’s standards.​


Incels. Nice Guys (TM). Misogynists. Online trolls. The list of men who hate women and who terrorize them goes on and on. And sadly, it’s all part of a bigger movement that’s radicalizing men to hate women.

Women are increasingly worried about men posing a life-threatening, life-ruining danger to them. So, what can they do? They have to protect themselves. So, they do one of three things:

  1. They drop out of the dating scene, deciding that it’s not worth the risk. It’s better to be alone than with the wrong man, and women know they’ll be blamed for “choosing poorly” if they end up abused.
  2. They vet men by pushing standards that are higher than what they were in the past and always keep a way to break up with them available. This means they may ask for standards that have nothing to do with compatibility.
  3. They choose to have cheap sex with someone and avoid relationships at all costs. They may even use a one-night-stand to get the sperm they need to have a baby.
Why am I bringing this up? Well, it’s simple. The higher dating standards become for men, the fewer men will qualify. This pushes guys who would be fine in another time out of the dating ring as a preventative measure.

Let’s look at the 6-foot standard that so many women want. It’s a perfect example of what I mean. This height thing is a symptom of what happens when women notice how many short guys have a chip on their shoulder about them being short.

A lot of short men insult women who won’t go out with them. If women have men berate them for not dating short men, they’re not going to go, “Maybe I should give the guy who just had a mantrum a chance.”

That’s not how women (or anyone logical) would work. No, they’re going to go, “I’ll opt for the tall dude because he’s not going to verbally abuse me for not dating someone shorter.”

Is this fair? Kinda, but it also sucks. A lot of great men I’ve met who would be amazing partners for the right girl are getting overlooked because of it. But once again, I understand. It’s an act of self-preservation these days.

So, what can be done?​


It all comes down to this: women have standards and they’re not willing to budge. Men have the right to determine what they want to do with that knowledge.

Dating is discriminatory by nature. Relationships of any sort are not a given. If men can’t measure up, it’s not up to women to act as charity cases or rehab centers. Men cannot force women to date them or marry them.

This means what men do is on them and will primarily be about how they react to the dating scene today. They can either drop out of the dating scene, work on their mental health, or do something to make themselves more attractive.

So, I suppose it’s time for them to decide what they want to do. Is the juice worth the squeeze? Are they willing to improve themselves?

Only time will tell.
 
A lot of guys who'd get that type of surgery don't realize that. Same way they don't realize their children will still be midgets, since it's unnatural. It's the same type of delusion that makes a woman think she's as pretty as she is with makeup off.

either go all the way for the sake of beating up your rapist demon dad or don't bother at all, fucking simps
Health insurance does not cover bone lengthening surgery if you don't have a birth defect (manletism does not count) and it takes something like four months of stretching and up to 18 months of daily physical therapy to get back in working order. Unless you can foot the bill for what would be tens to hundreds of thousands in the US, you're better off finding a girl that doesn't care.
 
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It used to be a man and woman would.find each other before blhebwa established, and the strength he gains from that relationship helped fortify him through medical or law school or whatever he seeks to accomplish in his youth. These women no longer see things that way, and both sides are much more miserable asa result
 
Health insurance does not cover bone lengthening surgery if you don't have a birth defect (manletism does not count) and it takes something like four months of stretching and up to 18 months of daily physical therapy to get back in working order. Unless you can foot the bill for what would be tens to hundreds of thousands in the US, you're better off finding a girl that doesn't care.
I know. It's so much investment for really no actual gain. That extra height is a lie. You simped for women so hard you had a multi-thousand dollar surgery and dedicated an entire fucking year of your life to getting your shit back just for the chance of a crumb of pussy.
 
Where do you think I'm getting this advice from? I was taller than 6' before I was finished with middle school. Which reminds me of an important tall-strat to share: if you are more than six feet tall and someone asks, you are always exactly six feet tall. Do you really think women can just eyeball height like that? We already know every sub-6' manlet tries to lie to be taller and some will even go above 6' even because it seems more believable in their delusional brains. What can they do then when someone who is "exactly 6'" is visibly taller? Would it really be more believable some psychopath is lying to say they're shorter to BTFO manlets, or some sub-6' scum is lying to be taller? Even if they argue the point and catch you out, you said you were a couple inches shorter for a lark, they started seething and launched an inquisition. You still win even if you somehow lose.
Dating app filters contribute to this problem - everyone I've met who commented on it thinks I'm 6' but I'm 5'10" and don't lie about it. I'd be filtered out online, when in person, unless she's 5'10" too, she wouldn't even notice. You've got a great point of it not even being real unless you and I were standing right next to each other - if she's into me I'm magically 6' and if she's not into you you're magically 5'11".

This is all an internet problem; the ladies who write these articles, the ones complaining about it on social media, none of that is real when you meet someone in person and act like a human being.
 
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There never was any good men, stop with the republican, male-centric lies. Men have always been garbage and they will continue to be garbage. They had a few good qualities back then tho, some were attractive, some were funny, most had money, hell some of them could even hold an intelligent conversation, but now they’re not even halfway salvageable. We had to suffer thru them at first but maybe there was a few things here and there that allured women to males but now that we’ve stripped back all the bravado behind them and the good marketing they’ve had they’re really just shit. Theyre not smart, they’re not tall, most of them are autistic, they fucked the economy so now they don’t even have high paying jobs for themselves, they’re neets and anime addicts, misogynistic, poor emotional and physical regulation, gay, and also, worst of all, they spend all day squawking over women on the internet. So the good men have never been here, it was a psyop. Men have always been below average it’s just now women aren’t going to pat them on the back for their mediocrity and it’s causing a mental health crisis amongst men.
 
There never was any good men, stop with the republican, male-centric lies. Men have always been garbage and they will continue to be garbage. They had a few good qualities back then tho, some were attractive, some were funny, most had money, hell some of them could even hold an intelligent conversation, but now they’re not even halfway salvageable. We had to suffer thru them at first but maybe there was a few things here and there that allured women to males but now that we’ve stripped back all the bravado behind them and the good marketing they’ve had they’re really just shit. Theyre not smart, they’re not tall, most of them are autistic, they fucked the economy so now they don’t even have high paying jobs for themselves, they’re neets and anime addicts, misogynistic, poor emotional and physical regulation, gay, and also, worst of all, they spend all day squawking over women on the internet. So the good men have never been here, it was a psyop. Men have always been below average it’s just now women aren’t going to pat them on the back for their mediocrity and it’s causing a mental health crisis amongst men.
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So you've gone so far extreme feminist you are back to advocating for the 1950's?

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Who in their right mind wouldn't want to have that dynamic, with some modifications. The guy beings home the bacon, does the "man chores" (cuts the grass, keeps up the house, maintains the car, etc...) the woman cleans, cooks, takes care of the household chores like grocery shopping. The modification I would make is for both parents to be actively involved in raising the children. The other modification I would make is "Lady on the streets, whore between the sheets". That's an ideal setup.
 
Who in their right mind wouldn't want to have that dynamic, with some modifications. The guy beings home the bacon, does the "man chores" (cuts the grass, keeps up the house, maintains the car, etc...) the woman cleans, cooks, takes care of the household chores like grocery shopping. The modification I would make is for both parents to be actively involved in raising the children. The other modification I would make is "Lady on the streets, whore between the sheets". That's an ideal setup.
It may be because I was more rural; but I heard plenty of stories about men helping raise children, just more in the teach skills and discipline manner. You get in trouble at school, go home, you get it from your mom and then it's "Wait until your father gets home." But he's also the one that teaches kids how to do outside skills; if the girl wants to learn to shoot and go hunting/fishing, dad isn't going to say no. But again, may be because I grew up rural where we didn't have city amenities, and there were chores to do and it didn't matter who did them.
 
I just want a nice male to be my boywife so I can bully and tease him and spoil him.
Ironically, this is what we're steaming towards at full speed -- being told we can just buddy up with a nice-looking twink or troon in lieu of female companionship and the reproductive advantages thereof. Maybe spice things up by opening the Pandora's Box of Ephebophilia for those who just can't adapt to the boywife paradigm.

The circle of degeneracy is completed and societies everywhere except ((the usual suspects)) immolate themselves into ashes.


I wish it was. RIP Japan's gene pool.

Edit: If you can't find it: CTRL +F Japan. Horrifying shit.
tl;dr: human beings are fucked up.

It's even worse than that.

It's clear that Jada, and even their two kids, don't even respect Will.

That's why a lot of men are becoming "red pilled." Even when they are exactly the types of men that women say they want, women don't respect them because they are "weak." Tupac isn't weak, but Tupac also isn't going to wife Jada up. In fact, it's arguable that Jada is attacted to Tupac BECAUSE he won't wife her up. It's all about the chase; one she has the validation, she loses interest. I've seen a lot of men talk about how a woman persued them for a year, and then when they finally relented, the woman lost interest. That's because the woman got the validation she wanted.

It's also like how children don't want a toy until they see a sibling playing with it. Men can go months/years without a woman, and suddenly when they luck into one then women are all over him. That's because now he's more attactive. There's also a component of jealously among the women; they see a woman "whose beneath them" with a man, and think that they can get that man because OBVIOUSLY they are a better woman than this current girlfriend. I have literally seen woman on social media talk about how they don't want a man that "doesn't have any hoes" because they think to themselves if noone else wants this man, then why would I want him? Men are a status symbol to women.

That doesn't get into the fact that women would rather be Nick Cannon's tenth baby momma than have a "7" man all to themselves, but that's getting into a whole nother can of worms.

Weakness is so important, especially in the black community, that black women will break up with their boyfriends for crying at a funeral. I know this happens too in non-black communities, but my impression is that it is worse for black men. Black men can't even cry at a parent's funeral without their women losing respect for them.

The most extreme example for right or wrong is male feminists. Some are just straight predators (start the clock), but some are literally just beta males that are saying "look, I want a relationship and will do whatever you ask of me to get it." Then, when these men do everything the feminist women say they want, they find out that the feminists don't find that attractive in an actual partner; they still want the "bad boy." That pisses off the male feminists because in their mind, they are doing everything "right", they are doing everything the women ask of them, and still get no results.

I just noticed that this is a lot. Is this too much? Sometimes I like to vent, or at least use posts to get my thoughts together. I know in the real world I would be called an incel for this post. Probably here too. And niggerfaggot.
You'll always be my favorite niggerfaggot. :feels:
 
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