Where is the line between good and bad bullying?

  • 🐕 I am attempting to get the site runnning as fast as possible. If you are experiencing slow page load times, please report it.

Trump's Chosen

This is what hubris looks like
kiwifarms.net
Joined
Mar 16, 2020
I love weird people which is why I love this site.

But some people are so uniquely obnoxious, that the thought arises "they should have been bullied a bit more, so that they'd learn to be less disruptive."

Is that just a way to hide my own aggression from the situation?

Does bullying only induce nervous wrecks that are bad to themselves and others? Does it help curb antisocial behaviour?

Is bullying itself antisocial?
 
This is a nuanced question I wish would get more attention on the farms, since this is the only place I can think of where there would actually be mixed opinions. I think most bullying is antisocial and only makes things worse for the victim, and it boils my blood that bullies do what would get adults prison time, but because the victims are children, they just get a suspension from school or whatever. If a 12-year-old sends an 11-year-old to the emergency room for having dorky glasses, society should just cut its losses and execute the perpetrator in my opinion. The occasional feelgood redemption story is not worth the reality that that 12-year-old will leave a trail of trauma and injury in its wake for the rest of its life that far outweighs any contribution it would make to society after being "redeemed" into a 60-year-old Walmart greeter who doesn't beat or rape people anymore.

HOWEVER: When it comes to "mean words" bullying, things get a lot more gray and confusing, and fast. This is especially the case because more conniving children can use the anti-bullying system to their advantage to get away with things they really shouldn't. And, indeed, I do wonder how many furries could have changed course if anyone was allowed to tell them that they're being "weird" and/or "creepy". There's also situations where children provoke other children into physical conflict where, in a court of law, the judge would probably consider the provocateur's words to be fighting words. But children don't get real rights, so they don't get real justice either. TAD.
 
I guess I would say any real "bad" bullying is life ruination and physical harm. We're all on a forum where we make fun of people. I'd hardly say we're qualified to tell others what's moral bullying and what isn't since we're all doing it anyway. Either own it or log off.
 
I guess I would say any real "bad" bullying is life ruination and physical harm. We're all on a forum where we make fun of people. I'd hardly say we're qualified to tell others what's moral bullying and what isn't since we're all doing it anyway. Either own it or log off.
Grown-up bullying is different I'd argue. Bullying at a young age fucks with a kid's development and will probably just turn them into an antisocial weirdo, possibly even a troon. Bullying as an adult only really exposes those who were bullied as a child.
 
As I understand for its definition (seek to harm, intimidate, or coerce, with ill intent), there is no "good" bullying, there's only less/more malicious bullying. And it's usually done by cowards.

I'm going by the definition posted, tough-love is not that, nor it is disagreeing with someone, criticising someone fairly but harshly, etc.
 
All good points, but the most important is the target of the bullying.

A fag, troon, furry or other social reject is basically begging for a bully to take him under his wing and beat the degeneracy out of him, or help society by motivating the freak to rope himself.
 
  • Optimistic
Reactions: Core Theorist
I hate to longpost but a profound question deserves a thought out response.

Bullying wouldn’t be so universal if it weren’t tapping into something primal in us. Whether it’s about establishing dominance, policing behavior that feels too alien or unpredictable, or just indulging in a bit of schadenfreude, it clearly serves some base-level social function as ugly as it is.

When I was younger, I got bullied for being too different of a person who only talked about niche dorky stuff. It sucked, but it also made me realize I had zero social intuition. Once I started learning to use humor and actually connect with people, I didn’t just stop getting bullied I ended up befriending some of the same guys. In other cases for me, it was a power struggle or a way to lash out at someone they were jealous or envious of.

That’s not to say bullying is good or should be encouraged, but I don’t think all of it is purely sadistic. Sometimes it’s a clumsy, cruel way of enforcing social norms and pushing people toward becoming more palatable to the group. Ideally, we’d have better, healthier ways to do that. But in practice, especially among kids, bullying often becomes the blunt instrument of social cohesion.

KF isn’t just bullying for dominance it’s often a collective reaction to someone refusing, or outright failing, to self-regulate in any socially cohesive way. A lot of lolcows don’t just break norms, they steamroll them with total obliviousness or arrogance, and that triggers something ancient in people: the instinct to mock, isolate, and punish the deviant until they either conform or go quiet.

In that sense, it’s bullying but not random. It’s targeted toward people who violate the unspoken social contract so completely that others feel compelled to put them in their place. It’s the digital version of the village laughing at the fool on the corner except now the village is global, and the laughter never stops.

There’s cruelty, no doubt. But like schoolyard bullying, some of it stems from the frustration of watching someone act in a way that destabilizes the group dynamic. It becomes a form of decentralized social enforcement. That doesn’t make it right, but it explains why it persists. KF didn’t invent the lolcow it just gave the old instinct a permanent online arena.
 
Bullying wouldn’t be so universal if it weren’t tapping into something primal in us. Whether it’s about establishing dominance, policing behavior that feels too alien or unpredictable, or just indulging in a bit of schadenfreude, it clearly serves some base-level social function as ugly as it is.
If this were all, it wouldn't be sufficient to see it's value. Rape is something primal too, yet there is no sensible defense of it. Establishing dominance is a social function, but is that itself a good one?
Though of course anti-bullying endeavors are kind of self-defeating, since it's just different circuitry that can be engaged to bully with.

Many classic bullies are able to bully exactly because they're able to convince people in that social setting that they're the victim, or at the very least the other the perpetrator.
 
If this were all, it wouldn't be sufficient to see it's value. Rape is something primal too, yet there is no sensible defense of it. Establishing dominance is a social function, but is that itself a good one?
Though of course anti-bullying endeavors are kind of self-defeating, since it's just different circuitry that can be engaged to bully with.

Many classic bullies are able to bully exactly because they're able to convince people in that social setting that they're the victim, or at the very least the other the perpetrator.
Rape and bullying may both stem from primal impulses, but they aren't equivalent not morally, socially, or structurally. Rape is a clear-cut violation of bodily autonomy and consent. It’s inherently violent, non-consensual, and leaves lasting trauma. There's no ambiguity to it, no acceptable function within any civilized society. It’s predatory, full stop.

Bullying, on the other hand, spans a wide range of behaviors. Some forms are undeniably abusive and traumatic, but others are more murky social hazing, exclusion, mocking. That doesn’t make it good, but it does make it more ambiguous. Some people come out stronger, some are broken, some change because of it, others retreat into isolation. It varies widely.

So while both may arise from dominance-seeking instincts, lumping them together flattens the important differences. Rape is a moral absolute. Bullying is a moral gray zone with a sliding scale of harm, motive, and outcome.
Establishing dominance is a social function but whether it’s a good one depends entirely on the context. Humans have been savage far longer than we’ve been civilized, and a lot of our instincts still echo that past. In mammalian hierarchies, dominance helps create order there’s often a clear alpha who asserts control, resolves disputes, and keeps the group cohesive. That makes sense in wild animal packs or even early human tribes where survival depended on quick deference to leadership.

But in a high school hallway? In an office? The instinct lingers, but the justification is not at the same level. People still jockey for status, still try to assert control over others through intimidation or humiliation but now it’s usually not about survival. It’s about ego, insecurity, or reinforcing fragile social boundaries. So while the impulse might be natural, that doesn’t make it noble. It just means we haven’t entirely evolved past it.

Of course, anti-bullying efforts can be self-defeating, because they often tap into the same circuitry they claim to fix. It's still about controlling behavior through group pressure just flipped. Instead of shaming someone for being “weird” or “weak,” now you shame them for being “toxic” or “problematic.” The labels change, but the mechanism’s familiar: someone steps out of line, the group comes down on them. And while the goal is to make things kinder or safer, it can just as easily become moral grandstanding or social punishment in a new costume. Bullying disguised as virtue.

This is also why bullying is far from a black-and-white issue. Many of the most effective bullies don’t come in with brute force or obvious cruelty they come in with narrative. They know how to frame themselves as the victim, or at least make it look like the other person is somehow in the wrong. That ability to manipulate perception is what gives them power. It turns social enforcement into a performance, where the actual dynamic is hidden under layers of plausible deniability and emotional sleight of hand.

Because of that, bullying operates on a spectrum. Sometimes it’s overt and undeniable. Other times it’s embedded in social games, cliques, or even institutional dynamics. That’s why it can’t be handled with a universal rulebook it needs case-by-case judgment. You have to look at the specific behaviors, the context, the outcomes. Not just who cried first.
 
It's good when it discourages things I don't like and it's bad when it discourages things I think are neutral or good.

See also
e7a.webp
 
Bad bullying targets immutable traits.
It's one thing to "bully" people into correcting bad behavior, but things that can't be changed shouldn't be a target.
On this note, I think people recognize this, which is one of the many reasons people are pushing the whole "X is innate" thing and trying to conflate it with things like disability and race.
e.g.
Some people have different body types = Innate
Some people are naturally obese = Untrue
 
Good bullying targets present, uncorrected, behavior. It generates social cohesion.
Bad bullying targets immutable traits or already corrected behavior. It generates pariahs.

If some faggot kid comes to school with a pride flag, it's all well and good he gets that thing snatched from him and it gets desecrated.
If that same kid ceases his faggot behavior and people still target him because he took a pride flag to school months ago, then it just leads to a positive feedback loop where the kid is doing absolutely nothing wrong and it's just bullying for the sake of bullying.

Bullying is caveman nigger behavior that a Sam Hyde sketch has psyopped people into believing is a social check and balance and not a school shooter generator.
The Sam Hyde sketch was literally making the opposite point. Recalibrate your irony filter.
 
The Sam Hyde sketch was literally making the opposite point. Recalibrate your irony filter.
That's not what I meant. I'm saying that many a gay nigger have faulty irony filters. Talkin about niggers who were brainbroken in 2016 into believing that meme magic is real, who took the bell curve to mean that being a retard is the same as being a genius.
 
Last edited:
Back