Whose head has gotten bigger: J.K. Rowling or George R.R. Martin

[The best and greatest]

The only thing I know about terry goodkind from is the legend of the seeker book series. Suppose it should not shock me considering some contents of the series.

As for keeping to the thread, ill have to agree rowling hands down. She just cant help but try and ride out a series that has gone past its point and just wants to stay relevant. GRRM comes off as wanting to fade into obscurity.

Which is sad because the "Potterverse" has so much potential just waiting to be tapped by a creative mind! Rowling created a gold-mine for content but seems content to let wildcat authors and fanfic writers just show her up which makes her ego all the more undeserved.

Also yeah you're right, GRRM just seems kinda tired and wants to take a nap.

 

[Tookie]

Personally I find the fact the actress was 47 years old far more concerning. I know Dawson Casting is a thing but holy fuck.

I think it was about the characters as middle-aged adults.

 

[Finrod Felagund]

It has to be Rowling.
The Wizarding World could have been of great potential if Joanne built it at the very least between the Harry Potter books. Posthumous world-building is no more than retconning. It spoils the initial vision of the Potterverse. At least GRRM built much of Westeros as he wrote the books.

 

[NN 401]

The only thing I know about terry goodkind from is the legend of the seeker book series. Suppose it should not shock me considering some contents of the series.

As for keeping to the thread, ill have to agree rowling hands down. She just cant help but try and ride out a series that has gone past its point and just wants to stay relevant. GRRM comes off as wanting to fade into obscurity.

He likened former fans of his work to terrorists with some kind of missive about how their critiques were the equivalent of a brick thrown through a window.

His Wizard books roll the worst aspects of Jordan, Martin and Ayn Rand into one giant uncreative mess replete with offensive imagery.

It would have been fun in the so bad it’s good way if he didn’t take himself so seriously.

 

[GethN7]

Rowling wins the prize. GRRM might write edgelordy low fantasy, but at least he's competent at it and so he deserves to have a bit of an ego, and I argue his is fairly reasonable given his pedigree.

Rowling wrote a series of at best entertaining kids to young adult books so long as you don't think about them too hard (plot holes and logic issues crop up immediately if you do), but they are over and done with, and now she just can't shut up with trying to flog something she's turned into a parody of itself by nigh constantly idpol retcons that just retroactively make the series even more stupid than it was before.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

GRRM is just an old man who clearly wants to spend his last years and his HBO money farting around Santa Fe, but can't due to his rabid fans and HBO trying to keep the gravy train going. And while he can be preachy, keep in mind that he's an old hippy, so it comes with the territory. Also something something Robert Jordan.

It's going to be "something something Brandon Sanderson" at this rate.

 

[Kaiser Wilhelm's Ghost]

J.K. Rowling.
When she isn't constantly just talking SJW shit on twitter, or virtue signalling while being the worst kind of champagne socialist, and holding on to her HP and Potterverse stuff desperately, because she hasn't been able to, and I don't think she ever will have that level of success again with any of her other writings that aren't related to the harry potter universe. Though mind you, the last two books of Harry Potter outside the actual deathly hallows plot and flashbacks wasn't very interesting, IMHO

George RR Martin on the other hand seems to be doing everything in his power to avoid pulling the trigger and finishing the GOT series. His writing is becoming slower and slower, and I honestly think he's either bored with it now, or he is afraid it won't live up to expectations, or actually wants to enjoy some of that money n fame before he ultimately pulls a Robert Jordan. So instead of the actual storyline, we're getting filler items and stories, and encyclopedia's, and unrelated GRRM stories.

 

[BR55]

George RR Martin on the other hand seems to be doing everything in his power to avoid pulling the trigger and finishing the GOT series. His writing is becoming slower and slower, and I honestly think he's either bored with it now, or he is afraid it won't live up to expectations, or actually wants to enjoy some of that money n fame before he ultimately pulls a Robert Jordan. So instead of the actual storyline, we're getting filler items and stories, and encyclopedia's, and unrelated GRRM stories.

At this point I consider Winds of Winter/Hope for Spring the literary equivalent of Half Life 3. i.e Never gonna get finished out of a combination of authorial ennui/ lack of interest and the impossibility of living up to it's own hype.

 

[The best and greatest]

J.K. Rowling.
When she isn't constantly just talking SJW shit on twitter, or virtue signalling while being the worst kind of champagne socialist, and holding on to her HP and Potterverse stuff desperately, because she hasn't been able to, and I don't think she ever will have that level of success again with any of her other writings that aren't related to the harry potter universe. Though mind you, the last two books of Harry Potter outside the actual deathly hallows plot and flashbacks wasn't very interesting, IMHO

George RR Martin on the other hand seems to be doing everything in his power to avoid pulling the trigger and finishing the GOT series. His writing is becoming slower and slower, and I honestly think he's either bored with it now, or he is afraid it won't live up to expectations, or actually wants to enjoy some of that money n fame before he ultimately pulls a Robert Jordan. So instead of the actual storyline, we're getting filler items and stories, and encyclopedia's, and unrelated GRRM stories.

What I find interesting is that the thickness of her books almost seems to grow in time with her ego. The original run of Sorcerer's stone in the US was like 300 pages. Deathly hallows was over twice as big.

 

[Tesshollidaysflupaknees]

J K Rowling has the bigger ego out of them. George RR Martin has never used his books to become an SJW, unlike Rowling.

 

[NN 401]

At this point I consider Winds of Winter/Hope for Spring the literary equivalent of Half life 3. i.e Never gonna get finished out of a combination of authorial ennui/ lack of interest and the impossibility of living up to it's own hype.

He COULD just hire a ghost writer and have him/her work off his out lines.

One of the theories floated around is that Martin is also annoyed/disappointed that people figured out several key plot points before he could write them.

Like John being a Targaryen.

I think it was also the reason that he went and binned The Who Killed John Arryn plot line.


Unfortunately, with the way fanbases work it’s bound to happen. Hunting for clues to the next development is part of fun of these things :/

 

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J.K. Rowling.
When she isn't constantly just talking SJW shit on twitter, or virtue signalling while being the worst kind of champagne socialist, and holding on to her HP and Potterverse stuff desperately, because she hasn't been able to, and I don't think she ever will have that level of success again with any of her other writings that aren't related to the harry potter universe. Though mind you, the last two books of Harry Potter outside the actual deathly hallows plot and flashbacks wasn't very interesting, IMHO

George RR Martin on the other hand seems to be doing everything in his power to avoid pulling the trigger and finishing the GOT series. His writing is becoming slower and slower, and I honestly think he's either bored with it now, or he is afraid it won't live up to expectations, or actually wants to enjoy some of that money n fame before he ultimately pulls a Robert Jordan. So instead of the actual storyline, we're getting filler items and stories, and encyclopedia's, and unrelated GRRM stories.

I think there's a pretty good chance he doesn't know how to end it. A lot of writers run into this problem, which is why it's probably best for every writer to plan an ending when they start writing. It's also not the worst thing to have a boring, but satisfying ending. Have someone the readers have been rooting for come out on top.

Even though her books are pretty formulaic, one thing I like about Sharon Kay Penman's historical fiction is that she'll write one completely fictional character or fictionalized real person (someone whose fate was lost to history) just so she can give someone in the story a happy ending, because, in actual history, the good guy almost never lives happily ever after.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

It's also not the worst thing to have a boring, but satisfying ending. Have someone the readers have been rooting for come out on top.

The problem with Game of Thrones is that it doesn't feel "right" to have a boring but satisfying ending where Queen Dany, King in the North Jon Targaryen Snow and their familes and entourage come out on top.

I doubt even fanfic writers could come up with a shitty ending that people would go "yeah sure that's the end".

 

[Lioness]

The problem with Game of Thrones is that it doesn't feel "right" to have a boring but satisfying ending where Queen Dany, King in the North Jon Targaryen Snow and their familes and entourage come out on top.

I doubt even fanfic writers could come up with a shitty ending that people would go "yeah sure that's the end".

You know it's happening on the show, though. After that absolute plot armor nonsense last season with Jon

Spoiler: spoilered for latefags

not getting on Dany's dragon so he could fight draugr wights for no fucking reason, survive, fall in ice pond, survive, deus ex machina rescue by his missing uncle who's been gone like 4 seasons who, instead of travelling with Jon on the same capable horse, sacrifices himself for no fucking reason. Jon, alone and surely suffering hypothermia on top of his injuries, doesn't lose his cock to frostbite, rides to safety, defying the odds of death for the entire show tenfold - a hundredfold if you count his resurrection.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

You know it's happening on the show, though. After that absolute plot armor nonsense last season with Jon

Spoiler: spoilered for latefags

not getting on Dany's dragon so he could fight draugr wights for no fucking reason, survive, fall in ice pond, survive, deus ex machina rescue by his missing uncle who's been gone like 4 seasons who, instead of travelling with Jon on the same capable horse, sacrifices himself for no fucking reason. Jon, alone and surely suffering hypothermia on top of his injuries, doesn't lose his cock to frostbite, rides to safety, defying the odds of death for the entire show tenfold - a hundredfold if you count his resurrection.

I mean I know who the chosen ones are and I guess I should've spoilered it, but it feels out of place for there to be chosen ones. This is Game of Thrones where people will die suddenly because that's how life is. Nobody should have plot armor.

 

[Kaiser Wilhelm's Ghost]

What I find interesting is that the thickness of her books almost seems to grow in time with her ego. The original run of Sorcerer's stone in the US was like 300 pages. Deathly hallows was over twice as big.

Yeah the original explanation was that the books would level up with the readers in the sense that you could grow with the book series originally, though whether or not that held up in the last three I don't know.
Personal opinion Goblet Of Fire is the best of the whole series and should have been the bench mark for length for the rest of the series, Order Of The Phoenix everything interesting felt like it was going on around Harry and not directly, it was fairly boring. The Half Blood Prince, Snape was the more interesting character and if not for his back story it wouldn't have held much interest. Deathly Hallows, was only really interesting for the back story on everyone else, and the deathly hallows themselves, most of the stuff with Harry in was not really interesting as his whole character switched to simply just destroying horcrux's and then the final fight with Voldemort was a bit of a cop out.

He COULD just hire a ghost writer and have him/her work off his out lines.

One of the theories floated around is that Martin is also annoyed/disappointed that people figured out several key plot points before he could write them.

Like John being a Targaryen.

I think it was also the reason that he went and binned The Who Killed John Arryn plot line.

Unfortunately, with the way fanbases work it’s bound to happen. Hunting for clues to the next development is part of fun of these things :/

Ghost writer for him I don't think would be effective. He has a particular archivist writing style which is boring and dry and I'm not sure anyone but him can write like that and do it justice. That being said his ability to weave a compelling story and interesting characters is great, his writing style though is clunky.

As for spoilers people exist to frustrate twist writers, but it's all in good stead. People were always going to guess that John was half Targaryen based on the existing evidence that was there, and then further foreshadowing in the books.

Same as people are probably not going to be totally surprised when John turns out to the the next coming of Azor Ahai and has to kill Daenryis in order to power up his valeryian sword and slay the white walkers king, because that's been alluded to for the longest time as well, or vis versa with Deny being the reincarnation because her birth place aligns with the prophecy. Either way one or the other will likely not survive to the end.

You know it's happening on the show, though. After that absolute plot armor nonsense last season with Jon

Spoiler: spoilered for latefags

not getting on Dany's dragon so he could fight draugr wights for no fucking reason, survive, fall in ice pond, survive, deus ex machina rescue by his missing uncle who's been gone like 4 seasons who, instead of travelling with Jon on the same capable horse, sacrifices himself for no fucking reason. Jon, alone and surely suffering hypothermia on top of his injuries, doesn't lose his cock to frostbite, rides to safety, defying the odds of death for the entire show tenfold - a hundredfold if you count his resurrection.

I have a feeling that if Jon is to die again it will have to be for an epic purpose and a final death sort of thing, that is if he dies. I have my own thoughts as to who will survive in the end, I'd peg Jon as being high up on the list.

 

[Lioness]

Looks like we need a GoT discussion thread ?

 

[Someone in a Tree]

I know a lot of people are upset about Martin's seemingly glacial progress on the sixth book in the series, but I tend to cut him a lot of slack. Just because you know where the story is going doesn't mean you know how it's going to get there or that you can easily find a compelling way to tell it. And it's probably hard not to be self conscious about it when HBO is plowing ahead of you and now you'll have to deal with a swarm of fans saying the series did it better when the next book is finally released. I wouldn't be shocked if the last two books (should they ever see release) differ greatly from the series since a lot of discovery comes out during the process of writing and not necessarily during the planning.

 

[User names must be unique]

JK Rowling she wrote a fairly boring shounen novel with lackluster world building, plot holes and shit villains.

 

[Kaiser Wilhelm's Ghost]

Looks like we need a GoT discussion thread ?

Books yeah maybe, series not so much.