Why do men have higher rates of suicide?

[Orkeosaurus]

Men are more firm in their thinking. If they're in such a downward spiral they might consider suicide. They identify whatever they think is important in life like money, work or family with their existence. Women are more capable of bouncing back from a situation in almost every way. Women are quite often mentally ill, it's just not usually in a violent way.

 

[Medicated]

Men are told they need to have a purpose and when you strip that away they start killing themselves. Part of why soldiers kill themselves. They're told that they're soldiers and that they have a duty to protect. Their identity and purpose is linked to their job and when they lose that job they've sometimes lost everything. Not to downplay the brutality of war and stress of killing though. It's the same case with most professions.

A lot of people talk about "societal roles" and "learned behaviour" but I don't think it's all that. A woman has been valued by society all the way back to the beginning. Even today a businessman will hire a high priced escort, not even to have sex with, but sit in a hotel room and tell them their problems. When they could be paying for a psyche. Men will throw money at women they just watch play videogames. Most men I'm sure would instinctively jump to protect a woman or child if they face imminent danger. I think trying to force this sort of "gender equality" as if everyone is a worker ant is the wrong idea. Women will always have an inherent value. It's like it's hardwired into peoples brains.

I've been thinking that in relation to suicide, men have no inherent value until they either achieve it themselves, or have it passed to them through some inheritance. It's why you see so many men die when they lose their job or their family. Without them, they are virtually considered useless to society. And I don't think it's simply a societal pressure, but also an internal one. Even if a man goes to a therapist, is he going to believe a line like "Okay, you lost everything that made you a successful man, being a breadwinner, being a father, and you've become a monetary drain on society, but you are still important as a human".

Why would they believe that when everything around them, everything they know, tells them thats bullshit? No one pays a man to play videogames like shit, no one pays a man to listen to their problems when its not their job position. Even outside of suicide, how many men do you hear about suddenly dying of heart attacks after retiring.

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

Most people know that men commit suicide more than women. Some people are ignorant and assume that since depression and self harm are higher in women, then they must commit more suicide as well.

This trend is seen across the entire world across almost every culture.

Why are men more likely to commit suicide? Is it because in the majority of societies want men to repress their feelings? Is it because men are more efficient at it? What are the thoughts of kiwis?

For the same reason men are more likely to commit a violent crime against another. It's that testosterone. Testosterone isn't looking for sympathy or trying to get attention. Testosterone means business.

Testosterone isn't going to swallow a bunch of pills and wait for somebody to do something about it. Testosterone is going to take that lead pill right to the dome.

 

[yukujiab]

I think its because men are more aggressive in their thoughts and behaviour. Somewhere I read that the ATTEMPTS of suicide is the same, but men are 75% more likely to go through with it. They generally are quicker at making decisions than women. When men go shopping, 99% of the time they know what they want and they will walk out in 10-15 minutes max. If a man makes a decision to kill himself, he is more likely to be successful than a woman because he will have the guts to see it through.

Teaching men not to be aggressive or instinctive isnt going to help. We need to help men CHANNEL that aggression into something productive. Sports for example. We need to give them goals and aspirations. A lot of these suicides and school shootings are done by men who have no goals ambitions or purpose in life. Completely disorientated

 

[AnOminous]

Men are a lot better at violence, so when we decide to kill ourselves, we choose methods, like blowing our own heads off with a shotgun, that are much more successful at ending our lives than the bullshit methods women choose, which often involve swallowing a bunch of pills that wouldn't kill a hamster.

 

[Wesley Willis]

I have easily broken it down into three things:
1. There are more men in the population

The population is 51% female.

 

[Daughter of Cernunnos]

Because most men do not have the privilege of having gorgeous tradthots with ladycock run their household.

 

[vertexwindi]

Men are a lot better at violence, so when we decide to kill ourselves, we choose methods, like blowing our own heads off with a shotgun, that are much more successful at ending our lives than the bullshit methods women choose, which often involve swallowing a bunch of pills that wouldn't kill a hamster.

Men are just better at everything, even female sports. A man even won "woman of the year" once!

 

[ES 148]

Men are just better at everything, even female sports. A man even won "woman of the year" once!

They're not better at not committing suicide under pressure, I guess


Basically in part it's because men have this whole bullshit honor thing going on in a lot of societies. It's often thought of as being better to kill yourself than be worthless or whatever, because that's the manly thing to do instead of the stupid thing to do.

 

[Sloan Ward]

The rate of attempted suicide is commensurately higher among women.

Anyway, men are just globally better at violence, it seems. It stands to reason that this includes violence against themselves.

That doesn't follow logically. If women "attempt" suicide more, they should be showing up more as suicide victims.

Because women talk too much.

That's because women unwind by talking, as opposed to men who unwind by getting the hell away from everything and relaxing.

Is there anything men can't do better than women?

Filling the population with assholes.

I will have to do more research on that though when I feel like it tho.

Story of my life.

1. There are more men in the population
2. High expectations from peers, family, and society
3. Men choose more lethal methods

1. The population's about even actually.
2. Higher than women's, certainly. Doesn't explain why our natural ruggedness fails to keep us from pussying out of life.
3. Because we want it to be quick. Women want to suffer during suicide and they want someone to know they suffered.

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My opinion is this: men exist in a world that looks at them as disposable units; how could you not wanna kill yourself deep down? I don't care who you are.

 

[Slap47]

Men are a lot better at violence, so when we decide to kill ourselves, we choose methods, like blowing our own heads off with a shotgun, that are much more successful at ending our lives than the bullshit methods women choose, which often involve swallowing a bunch of pills that wouldn't kill a hamster.

Men tend to use guns and bridges instead of pills and ropes so that makes sense.

 

[GreenJacket]

We live in a world where we are supposed to 'be a man' but at the same time we are not allowed to 'be a man.'

 

[Sure Thing Idiot]

Men have heavier pressure put on them by society than women do. Women can have a bad day and people care. They might not really care but they're more likely to adopt the illusion of caring, self-imposed or put on by others, the media, so on, when that woman says "I'm having a really, really bad day."

I'm not suggesting that's the reason more men kill themselves but it's something I've observed, that there could be a gaping, missing portion of the mental health bridge when it comes to men. Both sexes are guilty of it. Men expect other men to be able to hold it together in dire times and women expect men to be emotionally strong. What happens when a man can't handle it or isn't emotionally strong, or breaks? He might become viewed as inferior or weak. If he feels inferior and weak is he likely to reach out for help? No. He's a man. He shouldn't need help. He should be a man and act like one.

I've worked jobs with a large number of staff before and I have seen people say stuff like "hey don't be rude... she's having a rough day" but I've never heard that said about any male employees who openly admitted to being depressed or down. You're having a bad day? Toughen up. Get over it. Oh you're sad? Life is hard. Deal with it.

Men don't get much leeway when it comes to male emotion possibly teetering on the brink of fragility. I personally think, that combined with whatever the fuck they're going through, that pushes a lot of guys over the edge. Why continue on if nobody cares about your general wellbeing?

That's just my theory.

 

[Tookie]

There are a lot less safety nets for men. If everything goes to absolute shit for a woman there are plenty of charities, non-profits, government programs, etc. aimed at helping them. If it happens to a man, it's pretty much "go fuck yourself" and become a bum (%70-%85 of homeless are male depending on the source) or KYS.

 

[Pikimon]

Probably because for a lot of men its seen as a sign of weakness to "get help" (including but not limited to, talking about it, going to therapy etc.) when shit gets hard.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

and nothing of value was lost

 

[aqua sama]

sometimes I get the feeling that men, get shit on a bit too much in this day and age.
It doesnt surprise me that they kill themselves more often. today it's all about helping women, striving for equality, but most of the time, men end up getting the short end of the stick, in the process.

 

[Medicated]

Men have heavier pressure put on them by society than women do. Women can have a bad day and people care. They might not really care but they're more likely to adopt the illusion of caring, self-imposed or put on by others, the media, so on, when that woman says "I'm having a really, really bad day."

I'm not suggesting that's the reason more men kill themselves but it's something I've observed, that there could be a gaping, missing portion of the mental health bridge when it comes to men. Both sexes are guilty of it. Men expect other men to be able to hold it together in dire times and women expect men to be emotionally strong. What happens when a man can't handle it or isn't emotionally strong, or breaks? He might become viewed as inferior or weak. If he feels inferior and weak is he likely to reach out for help? No. He's a man. He shouldn't need help. He should be a man and act like one.

I've worked jobs with a large number of staff before and I have seen people say stuff like "hey don't be rude... she's having a rough day" but I've never heard that said about any male employees who openly admitted to being depressed or down. You're having a bad day? Toughen up. Get over it. Oh you're sad? Life is hard. Deal with it.

Men don't get much leeway when it comes to male emotion possibly teetering on the brink of fragility. I personally think, that combined with whatever the fuck they're going through, that pushes a lot of guys over the edge. Why continue on if nobody cares about your general wellbeing?

That's just my theory.

It's funny because a lot of feminists bring up that women "were treated like livestock" in past human history, and while they aren't wrong, men in general have rarely if ever been considered so valuable that a random unskilled guy would have any market value. I think it's just a biological brain wiring. Women are important to the survival of the tribe, one man can easily do the job of ten. If you aren't up to the job, then theres plenty of others.

And I think that general mindset continues and will always continue.