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Why do men have higher rates of suicide?
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Men have much more social pressure to live up to standards and to be successful. Your manhood is doubted if you aren't, rich enough, tough enough to get ahead. Men are also more prone to violence, even if said violence is to themselves. Just my quick two cents.
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Also, I notice this to be more prevalent among autistic males. Autistic people are very sensitive - to sound, light and touch. It makes it harder for them to search for relationships - like I have met someone who would not even want to hug his future romantic partner. There is this psychology today article which explains it.
Maybe his parents will tolerate it, but I don't think most NT girls will tolerate having such boyfriend who is sensitive to even a hug.
Maybe his parents will tolerate it, but I don't think most NT girls will tolerate having such boyfriend who is sensitive to even a hug.
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More men tend to leave their families the
n women, too. But for a mother to walk out on her responsibilities entirely, is comparatively less common. So I would say, a lot of the women who attempt suicide, don't really wanna die. They don't really want to leave their families behind. I know I'm generalizing here, but the whole "fuck it, I'm out" attitude is something I see less in women. They might talk more, analyze more, think about the effects more, and decide not to go through with it even when depressed. Depression would result by self-neglect, self-abuse, but not by something drastic and impulsive like blowing your brains out.
There are more men who blow their brains out or jump in front of a train, and more women who overdose on painkillers or cut themselves. It seems like a lack of decisiveness, because I can't bring myself to blame it on them being pussies, seeing as though they birth babies and shit which is pretty brutal. Maybe men want to die, and women want to be noticed. The whole "cry for help" thing is more feminine... it's a gender role\perception thing; a man does not cry for help, he wants you to cry when help is no longer an option and feel like shit for not offering any.
n women, too. But for a mother to walk out on her responsibilities entirely, is comparatively less common. So I would say, a lot of the women who attempt suicide, don't really wanna die. They don't really want to leave their families behind. I know I'm generalizing here, but the whole "fuck it, I'm out" attitude is something I see less in women. They might talk more, analyze more, think about the effects more, and decide not to go through with it even when depressed. Depression would result by self-neglect, self-abuse, but not by something drastic and impulsive like blowing your brains out.
There are more men who blow their brains out or jump in front of a train, and more women who overdose on painkillers or cut themselves. It seems like a lack of decisiveness, because I can't bring myself to blame it on them being pussies, seeing as though they birth babies and shit which is pretty brutal. Maybe men want to die, and women want to be noticed. The whole "cry for help" thing is more feminine... it's a gender role\perception thing; a man does not cry for help, he wants you to cry when help is no longer an option and feel like shit for not offering any.
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I dont understand why this thread exists because it's really only going to facilitate this type of MRA "No way my gender totally has it worse!" discussion, but the whole "once they hit 30!" is a bunch of Red Pill "The Wall" bullshit, which is about as bad as the whiny loveshy MRA garbage.
I stand by my old bullshit post earlier that I think as close as you can get to it is that men are the "disposable" gender and that's not really in the sense of MRA or red pill or love shy bullshit, it's biological. Theyre born at like a 1.5 rate compared to women, even biologically more men were born because they had a higher mortality, right? And women carry children to term for 9 months so biologically theyre more important.
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Sex ratio to humans at birth is essentially 1:1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratio
Im not saying that women cant walk into a bar and pick up men past thirty, just that i think its easier for men of the same age to do it. By 30 most guys have a stable life and steady work and most women who want to settle down and have children will be aware they only really have roughly a decade left, which isnt all that long.
Men have a markedly higher suicide rate than women, i am not understanding why you dont think this is worth commenting on.
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In my head every successful suicide is a suicide attempt taken to completion. For example out of 100 men and 100 women you have 37 women attempt suicide and 17 succeed and then 25 men attempt suicide and 20 of them succeed the statistics would say something like, "men have a markedly higher rate of suicide!"
If you want to talk about why so and so has a higher rate of suicide then the answer is as simple as "x group chooses a more lethal method". But if one group is ATTEMPTING suicide more often, not necessarily to completion, then you absolutely kind of have to break it down into a "who has it worse" argument, what's really going on? If you want to avoid that discussion, then the discussion basically will end at the simple answer that one group is just statistically more impulsive and less inclined towards self preservation, which is shown in men especially those who grow up looking at role models where the greatest thing you can be is a hero and the greatest thing you can do is stoically sacrifice your life, or something of yourself, so that others can live a better life.
Basically Im trying to say that it's not necessarily not worth commenting on, but that as a discussion, it's naturally going to slide towards whiny MRA, meninist style posting about "which gender has it worse".
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I think part of it is that there's more variation in men by design. Males are where nature plays around to see what works; men are much more likely to be geniuses, but also much more likely to be crazy or completely nonfunctioning. Women are the "predictable" gender--less geniuses, and also less tards. Neither one is "better," that's just how it is.
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Sometimes I think it has to do with men being told to bottle everything up or they're "useless" or "too emotionally unstable".
It's hard enough to get help for depression and suicidal thoughts without a bunch of people ridiculing you for seeking help, or when you do seek help, to not be taken seriously.
It's hard enough to get help for depression and suicidal thoughts without a bunch of people ridiculing you for seeking help, or when you do seek help, to not be taken seriously.
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It's one thing to want to die but it's another to try to go through with it. Anger is often the thing that will link the two together. Men are more in touch with anger and aggression and how to use it. We use it to overcome fear all the time so it makes sense that a guy would be more likely to get himself worked up enough to pull the trigger.
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Hard to say, but I believe that men by biology tend to generally be bigger 'risk takers' than women in general, which is probably the same reason that more men likely die in bar-room brawls than women. If you want a purely biological explanation, testosterone and estrogen rates likely play a role.
From a more evolutionary perspective, this seems to be a consistent theme not just in humans but animals as well; seems that men are more biologically hardwired to be 'protectors' against external threats to the 'tribe', while women are more hardwired to 'govern' the tribe and maintain the internal 'order'.
In lions for example, the female lions do most of the hunting and providing food for the lion pride, while the males are generally the ones who fight and defend the pride from attacking animals.
How myopic. Generally men who are natural with women aren't that way because of 'stable life or work', it's usually more about them having a sense of independence and a 'mission in life' rather than just being a boring drone.
This is why the lead singer of a local rock band living out of a studio apartment can aquire more 'poon' than a boring banker or programmer making $80,000 a year, who often merely has to settle for a trophy wife who fantasizes about Usher when making love to him.
Could be perhaps that if a man is weak enough to take his life then he deserves a bit of scorn.
That and from a purely biological perspective, men are the more expendable sex - let's say a tribe of 20 men and 20 women was at war with another tribe; if 19 men were killed, the remaining man could still repopulate with the 20 women, but if 19 women were killed, the remaining men couldn't all repopulate as quickly with the same woman.
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As far as 'male suicide', I suppose I can't be bothered to care too much about some emo kid taking his life because he can't get a girlfriend in HS when there are men who survived and escaped North Korean gulags who never took their life.
If anything this is just an example of "men's rights" or whatever morphing into the equivalent of 3rd wave feminism, where instead of discussing legitimate issues like genital mutilation in the 3rd world, they have nothing better to talk about than 'internet trolls on Twitter'.
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my point was more generally that if one has a stable life with a reasonable living standard it is easier to attract a partner. And that in one's early twenties that is quite rare, in one's thirties it is more common.
Compare the two in their thirties when the banker or whatever is likely to have that salary and the 'singer' has aged and washed up and i guarantee the banker or whatever will have an easier time dating, which was my initial point.
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True, but there's a difference between being a "sugar daddy" and being a 'natural', the motives behind the dating partnership are quite different anyway. One's based more on real attraction; the other more on pure pragmatics.
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Females indeed tend to be the more stable sex in nature. And indeed our outliers on both extremes are more rare.
I think it's a simple matter of biology that having higher testosterone levels has the side effect of making males more prone to acting foolishly and impulsively. After all, "PMSing" is actually caused by a short-lived spike in testosterone that occurs during the menstrual cycle. With that in mind, it's rather concerning to think that the other sex has higher levels of testosterone than that at all times.
With that being said, the same hormone differences that make males more likely to commit crimes probably is what makes them more likely to give into the impulse of offing themselves.
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I agree with most of this. But, I knew a guy who was raised in an all-girl household, the dad wasn't around so he acted very feminine, talked about his feelings and such. And despite all that, he told me he felt it was his responsibility to take care of his mother and sisters over himself. If he saw his mom or sisters visibly upset it made him want to try harder to help them. He said he didn't know why, he just felt like it was the right thing to do.
So perhaps society and biology plays a role? Since in nature, if a small population was to lose males it's not a big deal, but if they lose the women, it could doom them.
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It's gonna be a lot higher when trannies get older.
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Men have a shockingly high rate of death by suicide compared with women. Across all countries reporting these data (except China and India) males show a suicide rate that is 3.0 to 7.5 times that of women.[10] In Canada, the male suicide rate is about three times that of women.[11]
The silence surrounding suicide among men is also striking and warrants comment. First, there appears to be an overall lack of public awareness regarding the high rates of suicide among men, especially relative to other more highly publicized threats to men’s health, such as HIV/AIDS, that account for far fewer premature deaths among males each year (e.g., in 2005 45 male deaths were attributed to AIDS in Canada in contrast to 2857 male deaths from suicide).[4,5]
Second, while accumulating empirical evidence confirms that men in Western nations consistently die by suicide at higher rates than women[6,7] (with the pattern reversed for nonfatal suicidal behaviors), surprisingly few explanatory frameworks have been developed to account for this persistent pattern.
Third, few preventive efforts or policies specifically targeting male suicide have been developed or evaluated, which further contributes to its lack of visibility as a major public health problem. When gender is addressed it is often treated as a static demographic variable as opposed to a culturally mediated social construction that intersects with other diversity markers such as race, sexual orientation, and age in highly complex ways.[8,9]
One line of investigation has focused on suicide methods.[6] A well-established finding is that men are more likely to use suicide methods of high lethality, methods with increased risk of death. For example, a recent pan-European study found that the highly lethal methods of hanging and firearms were more likely to be used by men. Sixty-two percent of males, versus 40% of females, used hanging or firearms in their suicidal actions.[19]
Other investigators have confirmed that compared with suicidal women who use firearms to shoot themselves in the body, men are more apt to shoot themselves in the head, increasing the likelihood of death.[20]
A study of suicide attempts in older men and women showed that men were more intent upon dying and moved more quickly and decisively from considering suicide to acting upon the suicidal ideation. The study noted, “Our findings suggest that factors responsible for the increased suicide rate in older men operate largely during the suicidal crisis itself: once a depressed older man develops serious suicidal intent, he tends to realize it with little hesitation.”[26] The reasons men move in this unhesitating way to suicidal behavior remain to be determined.
Another line of research would examine the precipitating and predisposing factors that distinguish male suicide and account for the substantial gender disparity in suicide mortality.[38] Why do men use more lethal methods, why do they move with less hesitation from thinking about suicide to implementing it, and why are they more reluctant to seek help in dealing with the stressors that contribute to suicide?
http://www.bcmj.org/articles/silent-epidemic-male-suicide
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