Why do we put so much stock into loli/underaged characters as a direct link to being a pedo?

[Level99Manchild]

This is the kinda retarded shit that's gonna make the term pedophile as meaningless as racist. Username absolutely checks out.


Hey, if it works it works. Should we not stoop to using guns like those dang Nazis?

Call me crazy or autistic, but using guns for self-defense is different from using your friends and buddies as disposable tools even if they planned to turn on you. I get all is fair in love and war and and morales are thrown out the window, but you can't cry about Hasan's morality when you're acting like Hasan.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Call me crazy or autistic, but using guns for self-defense is different from using your friends and buddies as disposable tools even if they planned to turn on you. I get all is fair in love and war and and morales are thrown out the window, but you can't cry about Hasan's morality when you're acting like Hasan.

I can because Hasan supports terrorists and probably has a hard drive that would make Vaush blush. Tactics are necessary in any movement, play to win. I don't know what else to say.

 

[Slap47]

Just say you can't defend your position, concede. No need to ignore my incisive rebuttal and vaguely grandstand about the Constitution and how George Washington would kill me and then himself just because I think loli hentai should be banned.

The founders were marrying 14 year olds and raping slaves so who knows what they would think about such moral debates.

 

[demicolon]

The founders were marrying 14 year olds and raping slaves so who knows what they would think about such moral debates.

This statement really does not sit well with your avatar. I laughted.

 

[skykiii]

The trope/pop culture term of "loli" of a short/ small kid looking character is something that's been a thing for decades,

Heck, recently I even saw an actual fucking anime (I forget which one but it was some isekai show) where someone called a little kid a "loli." She didn't get why but she felt offended.

I was just confused. Like, she just looked like... a kid. I always understood "loli" had to mean you were sexualized in some way.

Which I think then gets to the retardation we discussed in another thread where you have "all anime is pedophilic" as an unironic argument, because these people don't understand Doraemon is actually for kids and not adults.

 

[BradeRunna]

It's because they are. That 900 year old sorceress that looks like a 9 year old girl is cartoon kiddy porn.

You are a pedophile. Like a closeted pedo.

 

[skykiii]

It's because they are. That 900 year old sorceress that looks like a 9 year old girl is cartoon kiddy porn.

You are a pedophile. Like a closeted pedo.

Thing I find funny about this argument, and I kinda said this in the "Why do so many people hate anime?" topic too...

There's a western cartoon that dead-ass does this. Rainbow Brite legit does the "she looks ten but is actually 700 years old" thing. And then the first episode has her showing affection for a 10-year-old-boy.

If this were anime it would be "pedo stuff," but since its American helmed and from 1983, that's blatantly impossible. So it instead comes off as just "the writers didn't realize how this could come off because society didn't have an obsession with pedos until decades later."

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This admittedly has always been my problem with the topic. There's legitimate concern, and then there's just straight-up fearmongering.

I said in the same topic that a lot of the same people who worry about "pedos" would probably have trouble raising an actual daughter.

And no, that's not me accusing you of being a pedo. It's that I've had to babysit people's kids and actual little girls do goofy stuff like randomly decide to run around the house naked. I dead-ass met a guy who, when he had to deal with this situation, screamed like he had just seen the fucking devil and had a mental breakdown.

To be fair to that guy (and to both this and the other topic I mentioned) the reason he got so scared was because a lot of media (especially anime) spends years telling people that "it's always the man's fault" so when the guy just happened to be at ground zero when some literal toddlers decided to be stupid, he thought he was gonna be arrested and put on a list on the spot just for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

This I think demonstrates the danger of being too worried about pedos. Too much fear of anything is no good for anyone. And again I wonder how this guy is gonna manage it if he ever has kids of his own.

 

[BradeRunna]

Thing I find funny about this argument, and I kinda said this in the "Why do so many people hate anime?" topic too...

There's a western cartoon that dead-ass does this. Rainbow Brite legit does the "she looks ten but is actually 700 years old" thing. And then the first episode has her showing affection for a 10-year-old-boy.

If this were anime it would be "pedo stuff," but since its American helmed and from 1983, that's blatantly impossible. So it instead comes off as just "the writers didn't realize how this could come off because society didn't have an obsession with pedos until decades later."

.....................

This admittedly has always been my problem with the topic. There's legitimate concern, and then there's just straight-up fearmongering.

I said in the same topic that a lot of the same people who worry about "pedos" would probably have trouble raising an actual daughter.

And no, that's not me accusing you of being a pedo. It's that I've had to babysit people's kids and actual little girls do goofy stuff like randomly decide to run around the house naked. I dead-ass met a guy who, when he had to deal with this situation, screamed like he had just seen the fucking devil and had a mental breakdown.

To be fair to that guy (and to both this and the other topic I mentioned) the reason he got so scared was because a lot of media (especially anime) spends years telling people that "it's always the man's fault" so when the guy just happened to be at ground zero when some literal toddlers decided to be stupid, he thought he was gonna be arrested and put on a list on the spot just for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

This I think demonstrates the danger of being too worried about pedos. Too much fear of anything is no good for anyone. And again I wonder how this guy is gonna manage it if he ever has kids of his own.

I don't think Rainbow Brite was ever depicted in a sexual nature.

 

[Basement Dwelling Dork]

Joining in to throw my two cents on this shit because fuck you faggots who keep doing this shit.
The main issue with loli is that it depicts the sexualization of children in general no matter the fucking context they're put in.
The major difference between a guy playing violence shooters like Doom and a guy gooning to loli shit is that, Doom is about killing demons and progressing to the next level. It has little to no affect on people who play violent games since that person is aware this is just pure fantasy, he's not going to be able to go out and kill demons since they're not real. Hell even Postal the person playing it knows its all just a video game and cant do any of those things in real life since they know they'll end up getting arrested or gunned down the moment they start walking out with a rifle.

Whereas the guy who jerks off to loli shit is usually jerking it to shit about little girls (usually based around elementary/kindergarten mind you) getting groomed, kidnapped, drugged, or raped. Keep in mind the shit I mentioned there is based off of real crimes. Things that actually happen to children yet the lolifags try to claim its all fantasy. Fantasy that resulted in school clothing and rape whistles being sexualized because of the loli shit. Causing these people to seek more and more down the pipeline of a disgusting sexpest.

 

[regalterry]

This admittedly has always been my problem with the topic. There's legitimate concern, and then there's just straight-up fearmongering.

Not all lolifags are child predators in the making, but both are ultimately attracted to the same thing - children.

But then again you could play the Devil's advocate and argue that the vast majority of people can differentiate between reality and fiction and don't act on their darkest impulses.

I'm not confident enough to draw a parallel between lolifags and, say, women that goon to rape scenes in "romance" fiction, but a comparison can certainly be made.

Does the fact that those women masturbate to scenes of women being violated mean they're into IRL rape?

Alternatively, are people that enjoy gratutious violence in movies and video games predisposed towards committing violent crimes?

Do gooners of different fetishes vary in their likelihood of attempting to enact them in real life?

Just to be clear, I'm not making excuses for them—I'm simply emphasizing the danger of assuming that consuming a particular type of fictional content automatically means someone will try to replicate it in real life.

It's the kind of idea that can be easily weaponized, and I know liberals would gleefully use the "think of the children" excuse to ram dodgy legislation through.

 

[skykiii]

@regalterry For me its not even that, its that the standard for what counts as "sexualizing children" is so vague sometimes. Like there's some examples where you can point and I can say "yeah, I totally see your argument" but others where I'm like, "how is this sexual?"

Like, point me at Kodomo no Jikan and I see the argument. Point me at Lucky Star and I'm like "how is this sexual?" And what bugs me is I hear people unironically argue that Lucky Star or Cardcaptor Sakura are, and I just don't get it.

 

[Wild at Heart]

To me, loli feels like a dog whistle used by pedos to signal to other pedos they are of similar mind and interests. The images are spread around and for some reason are allowed to stay up on most boards. It's a gateway image to other disgusting things and should therefore be treated as such. I'm certain its prevalence in anime is the same thing, a pedo putting a dog whistle in his show to get off other pedos. Fucking nasty. These demons probably have places to share the real shit with each other after they use loli to find one another. That's just how it comes off to me. I understand the implicit evil found in these images, but their prevalence makes it seem like there is more to the equation.

So to answer your question, I feel as if an infinitesimally small amount of people are sharing saving or engaging in loli without an ulterior motive. The other 99 percent should be treated as people of interest.

 

[cigint]

Not all lolifags are child predators in the making, but both are ultimately attracted to the same thing - children

No, every person who is "attracted to children" is a predator. They have the same kind of emotionally stunted pathological personality as someone who only liked to play chess with people who just started.

No, you don't love children. No, you don't just want to "help" or "teach" someone. You want to feel powerful by taking advantage of someone who is trusting, weak and/or inexperienced. You must be destroyed.

 

[Esope]

i haven't read all the pages but fapping to drawings of minors is really gross and fucked up, no "but's" and "if's"

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

The founders were marrying 14 year olds

Source?

and raping slaves so who knows what they would think about such moral debates.

Slaves were viewed as subhuman property at the time, but not even all of the founders were fully on board with slavery either. It's apples and oranges anyway.

The major difference between a guy playing violence shooters like Doom and a guy gooning to loli shit is that, Doom is about killing demons and progressing to the next level. It has little to no affect on people who play violent games since that person is aware this is just pure fantasy, he's not going to be able to go out and kill demons since they're not real. Hell even Postal the person playing it knows its all just a video game and cant do any of those things in real life since they know they'll end up getting arrested or gunned down the moment they start walking out with a rifle.

Lolifags can try to turn that argument around. "9000-Year-Old Demon Fucker is about fucking demons and progressing to the next level. It has little to no affect on people who play sexual games since that person is aware this is just pure fantasy, he's not going to be able to go out and fuck demons since they're not real."

The real major difference is violent games generally aren't intended for titillation, whereas sexual games are basically by definition. That's why comparing GTA to Loli Simulator or whatever doesn't work, it's a huge difference in authorial intent.

Not all lolifags are child predators in the making, but both are ultimately attracted to the same thing - children.

The only way they'd not be a danger is if one were to believe the dubious "it ain't real bro" argument, otherwise there's always the risk of offending.

Just to be clear, I'm not making excuses for them—I'm simply emphasizing the danger of assuming that consuming a particular type of fictional content automatically means someone will try to replicate it in real life.

But the inherent difference in porn and violent fiction has to be considered. Generally speaking, porn caters directly to sexual desires. Violent media usually doesn't, unless it's violent porn.

For me its not even that, its that the standard for what counts as "sexualizing children" is so vague sometimes.

It's pretty clear 99% of the time, there's a few cases where claims are a stretch (Pokemon, Dragon Ball).

And what bugs me is I hear people unironically argue that Lucky Star or Cardcaptor Sakura are, and I just don't get it.

I hear the original has some problematic content. Maybe you just watched the edited version like I assume many fans did.

 

[skykiii]

It's pretty clear 99% of the time, there's a few cases where claims are a stretch (Pokemon, Dragon Ball).

I got into an argument about it in this topic where people were legit saying that just mentioning breasts (not even showing them, just mentioning they exist) was "degenerate."

By that reasoning, the puberty episode of Punky Brewster (an episode that literally happened because the actress herself was experiencing it at the time) is degenerate.

Also I'm not sure what you mean about "watching the edited version." Lucky Star never had an edited version. Cardcaptor Sakura had that heavily Americanized version but I am indeed watching the original. I've heard the manga has something questionable but it was removed in the anime.

 

[Gfkldsl]

people who play violent video games or watch action movies enjoy it because it triggers the pleasure centers of the brain associated with violence in a manner that hurts nobody. If you get a dopamine rush from playing Call of Duty, you must want to go do a mass shooting

I put this into any other context and it seems like crazy talk.

Put a gun in your mouth and do society a favor.

 

[NoBueno]

After reading some articles from geneticists, I think its a blurred line really. But obviously the psychopaths and low IQ just listen to the lizard brain.

 

[plastic Consumer]

Hey guys, I'm not gay, I'm only into yaoi or drawn porn depicting homosexual acts. I'm only into DRAWINGS of men God! I don't understand why people think I am gay for masturbating or getting aroused to drawn pictures of guys. I would never have sex with an actual guy if given the chance. I really hope people go through my post history and realize that I AM NOT GAY

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

I got into an argument about it in this topic where people were legit saying that just mentioning breasts (not even showing them, just mentioning they exist) was "degenerate."

By that reasoning, the puberty episode of Punky Brewster (an episode that literally happened because the actress herself was experiencing it at the time) is degenerate.

Depends on the context of how and why breasts are mentioned. In your example I suppose it sounds passable, but I never watched it and don't know how they actually handled it.

Also I'm not sure what you mean about "watching the edited version." Lucky Star never had an edited version. Cardcaptor Sakura had that heavily Americanized version but I am indeed watching the original. I've heard the manga has something questionable but it was removed in the anime.

I should've clarified I meant CSS, I've never watched Lucky Star. Anyway, then maybe it's only the CSS manga that's got controversial content, I don't know for sure. If the degenerate shit I heard about it is true then it's beyond questionable really, but I'll have to check it out for myself since I only watched the Americanized version as a kid.

After reading some articles from geneticists, I think its a blurred line really.

I'm way too lazy to read all that academic shit, just summarize why you think it's a blurred line.

Hey guys, I'm not gay, I'm only into yaoi or drawn porn depicting homosexual acts. I'm only into DRAWINGS of men God! I don't understand why people think I am gay for masturbating or getting aroused to drawn pictures of guys. I would never have sex with an actual guy if given the chance. I really hope people go through my post history and realize that I AM NOT GAY

It's not really a 1:1 comparison since age can be more ambiguous than gender in art, but if you see a dick you know it's a guy and if you like that you're gay. Of course, usually lolifags are fapping to shit that renders that fact void anyway. I remember my stomach turning first hearing the term "toddlercon".