General Why do you like Vtubers & VTubing? - In general.

[Basic Blond Boy]

First off, everything depends on which VTuber you look into. A big problem with the scene is the multitude of usual shit you find in Twitch and the weirder anime circles. VShojo is the perfect example of pretty much everything wrong with VTubing: humor based on SEX and coombaiting, coom designs, guy larping as a girl, usual politisperging, Twitchtard infiltration and the multitude of dramawhoring.

On the flip side, you have Hololive and many of the ex-talents. While not all are fantastic (looking at you Kiara), they at least come off as a group of girls just having fun. They feel surprisingly human compared to most streamers, allowing their weirdness to shine. Talents like Gura and Ame just getting into antics is fun, no weird extra shit needed. To me, VTubing can feel like going back to old let’s plays where it is just a guy or a few friends just trying to have fun with a game.

Personally, I mostly just like the Gura clique. Gura, Ame, Fauna, Mumei and even Kronii just work well as a comedy group. They are the ultimate dipshits playing a game, seemingly giving no fucks to the guidelines and usual garbage that comprises Hololive. Compared to Kiara, who tries way too hard to yuri bait, the twins who are a one trick pony of noises, or the talents that took Enreco and their lore seriously, I appreciate the dumb antics some of the original EN girls did. Moments like this are just nice:

 

[dick brain]

Actual answer while I'm stuck on a toilet:

Outside of lolcows, I don't really want to know anything about anybody on the Internet. I don't care about your life or purported life, I don't care how you look or pretend to look or how much money you make or pretend to make or frankly what anybody's opinion is about anything outside their specific wheelhouse. I just don't care. I don't know you, we're not friends, it doesn't matter to me in any way unless it's funny.

In the 2000s, that was fine, because there was a common understanding that you don't tell people on the Internet who you are. People made let's plays and videos and you didn't know who they were, you didn't know what they looked like, you didn't interact with them any differently than the television. It was just a modern extension of MST3K. Then social media and monetization flipped that, the Internet became a place to curate an image of yourself and broadcast your useless little thoughts, and as a result people began virtue signaling and self-censoring because now the things they say or don't say are inextricably linked to their real life identity. So they feel the need to tell me exactly how they pretend to feel about everything, as though I believe them or even care. It's very fake and very gay and very retarded. I've been around too long to buy any of it, it's just a waste of my time and it makes me feel gross for wasting thought on weasily weirdos just because I want to listen to somebody summarize something for me while I lift or commute or wash dishes.

In that regard, vtubers are to streaming what Gorillaz was to pop music: a hyperbole. The identities they portray are exactly as made up and fake as the identities any streamer or youtuber or celebrity or e-celebrity or "content creator" or """influencer""", the only difference is that they make no attempt to hide it and in fact embrace it so fully that it's unignorable. Youtubers and twitch streamers pretend to be your friend, meanwhile vtubers don't even claim to exist in the same dimensions as you. It undermines the lie by making it too absurd to suspend disbelief; it widens the gap between the presented persona and the real person so thoroughly that you don't just figuratively not know who they are, you literally don't know who they are -- and in that way it's a return to form, to the days of faceless pseudonymous strangers making dumb shit for other faceless pseudonymous strangers to laugh at.

I still think it's a patently unhealthy goal to pursue, as is any pursuit where the dream is having thousands of people pay attention to you and you alone with no expectation of reciprocity. But I don't really care, these people aren't my friends or role models, I don't know them, they're weird gremlins in a zoo that I visit when I'm bored just like kiwifarms.

Unfortunately other people seem to be a lot more autistic than I am and still somehow manage to develop parasocial relationships with actual fucking cartoons. But that's not my problem.

 

[The Lawgiver]

Unfortunately other people seem to be a lot more autistic than I am and still somehow manage to develop parasocial relationships with actual fucking cartoons. But that's not my problem.

Did you seriously just write up a whole fucking schizopost about lets players and vtubers and then fucking end it with "not my problem"? Lmao hope that 3 hour long shit was worth it.

 

[dick brain]

Did you seriously just write up a whole fucking schizopost about lets players and vtubers and then fucking end it with "not my problem"? Lmao hope that 3 hour long shit was worth it.

Sorry you feel attacked.

 

[The Lawgiver]

Sorry you feel attacked.

Nigga I was making a joke about your poop taking long enough it made you start having schizo bathroom thoughts about vtubers. In what world does that equal "feeling attacked"? Am I being attacked by poop? lmao

 

[Postal_Rat]

In that regard, vtubers are to streaming what Gorillaz was to pop music: a hyperbole. The identities they portray are exactly as made up and fake as the identities any streamer or youtuber or celebrity or e-celebrity or "content creator" or """influencer""", the only difference is that they make no attempt to hide it and in fact embrace it so fully that it's unignorable. Youtubers and twitch streamers pretend to be your friend, meanwhile vtubers don't even claim to exist in the same dimensions as you. It undermines the lie by making it too absurd to suspend disbelief; it widens the gap between the presented persona and the real person so thoroughly that you don't just figuratively not know who they are, you literally don't know who they are -- and in that way it's a return to form, to the days of faceless pseudonymous strangers making dumb shit for other faceless pseudonymous strangers to laugh at.

I think in a certain sense it's its own form of sincerity, rather than I'm telling you what ever lie makes me look best, we instead get I am telling whatever story is most entertaining, in theory at least, 90% of vtuber kayfabe is ass, but 90% of everything is ass.

 

[AMHOLIO]

but 90% everything is ass.

This thread included.

 

[Postal_Rat]

This thread included.

yes

 

[The Strongest Haaton]

Haachama is cute, and that's the only reason I need

 

[A Hot Potato]

Haachama is cute, and that's the only reason I need

I still remember that one time in minecraft she feel into that hole with the pumpkin snowmen and freaked the ever loving fuck out.

Good times.

 

[oh no its pipkun]

it was new and fun. 3-4 years later the novelty has worn off. except for pippa who manages to be entertaining inadvertantly

 

[ZazietheBeast]

In general, It feels like history unfolding. Idols have been around for a long time but the concept of it basically was made available to anyone and everyone who can perform. I'm pretty sure pic related is gonna be the future (Sans vengeful half-dead man in the forefront. Also the source is Gungrave) with certain Chuubas making it mainstream and the practice becoming a business... would be interesting to see a family business of Vtubers with identities being used as successions. Also as weird as this sounds, it seems the entire space as it stands circa 2025, is essentially going through the Wild West age of Hollywood. Creative projects all around, people still trying to vie for relevancy and plenty who are just seeing the funny talking avatar as a past time.




Now, will it rot like Hollywood? Unfortunately yes. As seen with That Guy With the Glasses. However it being decentralized as hell guarantees that any nobody who is entertaining can pull something off.

On a personal level, got interested in Vtubers when a certain pink rabbit decided to fuck with a nasty pig monster, a certain former teacher covers the debacle and from there, have been paying attention to the space ever since. Gotta say, its a Hell of a show.

 

[LOWERCASE LETTERS]

I like watching cute anime girls do funny things

 

[Glory To Arztotska]

Because dog girl saying E E K U M B O K U M.

 

[Anxious Lurker]

Because I liked the animu cartoons growing up and menhera women are very entertaining.

 

[Postal_Rat]

Because dog girl saying E E K U M B O K U M.

 

[Glory To Arztotska]

It's her mimicking the stonefaced expression just as the doofy Banjo soundfont trumpets kick in that really sells it.

 

[i440BX]

You know you could apply that "logic" to anywhere online that doesn't require real face and name, yeah?
OOOUGH! YOU'RE DECIEVING ME AND HIDING BEHIND A BIRD AVATAR! OOOUGH ARE YOU A TRANNY? AAAAARGH!!!

This isnt a furry avatar, miss. I just like song birds.
Indeed, it is true, but I have trust issues in current times because so many times vtubers were outed as trannies. I assume someone with anime girl pfp has 80% probability of being a man or worse a gooner\tranny (I say this as a man). I've seen too many times this being true on the Internet.


If anime girl pfp werent so skewed towards coomers, I wouldnt have the same issue.

Edit: Inwant to say don't hate Anime, just very interested in it. But I really like the art style or beautiful depictions.

 

[Postal_Rat]

but I have trust issues in current times because so many times vtubers were outed as trannies

Please name names I need to figure out if you're a low functioning autistic or if there's a cabal of passing troons out there all my favorites have turned out to be women.

 

[i440BX]

Please name names I need to figure out if you're a low functioning autistic or if there's a cabal of passing troons out there all my favorites have turned out to be women.

I don't remember the names, but a memorable one was Asahi Lina. Though rumors spread quickly it might be actually Hector Martin.