Why is black art so limited in scope? - No, I’m not saying black people suck.

[Caesare]

oh, the mali empire certainly was black
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oh no, i'm a cunt

That's a sand castle, stupid.

 

[snailslime]

The first picture is of a building that was built at the direction of the French colonial authorities in 1907.
The second picture is a drawing. As in, it's not real.
You're not even trying with this bait, are you?

yeah, as a restoration of what it looked like, genius. ever heard of mansa musa?

 

[Stabmaster Arson]

ever heard of mansa musa

They released an incredibly fire mixtape

 

[snailslime]

That's a sand castle, stupid.

it's a model, methhead.

 

[Beautiful Border]

yeah, as a restoration of what it looked like, genius.

In the same way drawings of The Shire in Middle Earth are restorations of what that looked like, sure.

ever heard of mansa musa?

Total historical meme. The absurd Afrocentrist claims about him being the richest ruler in history and bankrupting Mecca by handing out gold wherever he went have been debunked.

Also, pointing out that the only "great" pre-colonial African civilisations were all the result of the foreign influence of Islam isn't really as flattering as you think it is.

 

[snailslime]

In the same way drawings of The Shire in Middle Earth are restorations of what that looked like, sure.


Total historical meme. The absurd Afrocentrist claims about him being the richest ruler in history and bankrupting Mecca by handing out gold wherever he went have been debunked.

Also, pointing out that the only "great" pre-colonial African civilisations were all the result of the foreign influence of Islam isn't really as flattering as you think it is.

why? europe would be a backwater shithole without christianity and the arabian islamic empire.

 

[Beautiful Border]

why? europe would be a backwater shithole without christianity and the arabian islamic empire.

Ancient Greece and Rome weren't backwater shitholes, but I know your whole point in this thread is to troll so whatever

 

[Tomboy Respecter]

why? europe would be a backwater shithole without christianity and the arabian islamic empire.

That's somewhat true and somewhat not actually. The Romans were a brutal race and they had a fucked up society where the weak only existed to fulfill the needs of the best of the best. Christianity did even that out a bit and make it so that all people from all walks of life should be seen as equally priceless in the eyes of God. It also led to the creation of some of the formalization of scientific thought in Robert Groteste and Roger Bacon, so there's also that.

That being said, Rome and Greece weren't backwater shitholes. A lot of philosophical and scientific ideas come from these two rocks of civilization and they are the basis for a good deal of Western Civilization today (via Christianity). Hell, even most Celtic lands were halfway decent. Only the Sc*ttish Highlands, the rest of Br*tain and the frozen wastes of Sc*ndinavia and Northern Germany were absolutely barbaric, rather than just mostly civilized but kind of not in some sense.

But I am responding to a shitpost, so why did I put effort into this post.

 

[snailslime]

Ancient Greece and Rome weren't backwater shitholes, but I know your whole point in this thread is to troll so whatever

That's somewhat true and somewhat not actually. The Romans were a brutal race and they had a fucked up society where the weak only existed to fulfill the needs of the best of the best. Christianity did even that out a bit and make it so that all people from all walks of life should be seen as equally priceless in the eyes of God. It also led to the creation of some of the formalization of scientific thought in Robert Groteste and Roger Bacon, so there's also that.

That being said, Rome and Greece weren't backwater shitholes. A lot of philosophical and scientific ideas come from these two rocks of civilization and they are the basis for a good deal of Western Civilization today (via Christianity). Hell, even most Celtic lands were halfway decent. Only the Sc*ttish Highlands, the rest of Br*tain and the frozen wastes of Sc*ndinavia and Northern Germany were absolutely barbaric, rather than just mostly civilized but kind of not in some sense.

But I am responding to a shitpost, so why did I put effort into this post.

yeah, they were extremely genetically diverse and they got their mathematics, religion, and alphabets from asia/africa.

by the way, the father of greek philosophy was a phoenician.

 

[Haim Arlosoroff]

Why is the theme of “the black experience” so prevalent in black works of art?

It sells shit to the black demographic, and a black who can express themselves plausibly as an artist can always be found.

As to why the theme of 'black experience' sells in the black community? Deep seated, and justified, feelings of non-inclusion.

Most Blacks have not joined multi-ethnic communities and live in their own isolated areas full of urban decay and crime. So they feel like an outsider as soon as they walk out their front door and enter White society, and often not just as a generic colored person. Other minorities too exclude and distance themselves physically and emotionally from them as well. Hence the Asian-Black violence campaigns, triggered by the Kung Flu but based on deeper expressions of jealousy and rage as the Asians "fit in" better with Whites even fresh off the boat and unintelligible.

The Black Experience is also seen as cringe to even Blacks who have bonded to their multi-ethnic communities, because they have no need for it and it is just so heavy-handed and wrong. How is it supposed to make individual social connections between whites and blacks?
However for the Blacks in their isolated communities it is viewed as an expression of hopeful understanding and an attempt at empathy with the Whites of America.

Is the color of their skin really that big of a part of a majority of black artists’ identities?

Yes, because identity is half what you think you are and half what you think you aren't.

Black society really is almost entirely about their feelings of ostracism and not being able to overcome it in their personal lives. And of course, why can't they overcome it?

So, they're stuck living lives within a society that excludes them based on their visual appearance and Whites' individual danger-senses, and that gives them their greatest sense of themselves and who they fundamentally are. That they don't belong is their inner-most identity, and their skin being seen as the cause is their most common expression of art.

Are these racially-centered works just more visible; being pushed more often and harder?

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do you have any meaningful connections to artists of your ethnicity, other than genetics?

So the same people who apparently cannot critique art-forms are being asked to implicitly understand the phrase "meaningful connections"? Dear lord.

What logic is this? I have to buy an artist a sandwich and discuss their horrid personal lives of shallow interpersonal connections based on mutual (at best) parasitism and poor attempts at empathy because they cannot shut their mouths and listen? If they cried on my shoulder and wanted to keep dating me, does that help me understand the Nigger Music? Artists are shitty friends who fall into moods and express themselves as publicly as possible due to a deep inner compulsion to be understood and loved. But they don't fucking listen, and they never try to genuinely understand others. They crave attention that they didn't get as kids, social connections that their neighborhood or their record label fulfill and their own mom didn't. That's it, they're almost all bad people. As soon as you meet them, you can feel the one-way empathy connection vacuuming up whatever it can from people. You just get sucked into their self-hatred coming out as a compensating refrain of boasting and whining. Any that are not so bad, you don't hear the boasting.

Mozart learned piano because his elder sister and father were always playing the piano and inserting himself from the age of three into her lessons let him bond with his otherwise busy family.

Bach was the eighth or ninth son in a vast family of musicians.

Rap battles happen because not enough black men actually liked their kids, they just wanted to fuck a hoe. More dads, probably shitter Rap.

have you produced any piece of art that's worth a damn?

How would they know, based on everything else you've just wasted time saying, that any piece of art they produced was worth a damn?

That was the whole fucking point of your posts, and then you just threw it away. And before you say anything, I'm a tard who has made absolutely retarded posts so I can comment here. Quod erat demonstrandum ex propria ratione. My critique of your total retardation is Hecking Valid as fuck based on your own logic that only properly accredited people can comment on a subject.

Therefore if you want to critique me, please get on my level and lower your IQ, or have those super important meaningful connections with people like me. Right? Is that correct? Do I understand what you've been saying?

every black person i've ever met has been nothing but pleasant to me.

Every black person I know has been a violent felon, do you get something I don't? Do I?

 

[Chocolate Wombat]

My non-shitpost uncynical answer would be something along the lines of how much harder it has historically been as black person to get their work published. They feel their voices were under-represented culturally and so now they are using a widespread cultural shift to talk about issues that matter to them personally which they feel were previously not talked about.

My non-shitpost cynical answer is they recognize a very quick way to get publicity these days is to make their art about "black issues" and they are using this as a way to get their foot in the door in a very competitive industry.

My shitpost answer is lol niggers

 

[snailslime]

@Haim Arlosoroff get help, i'm not reading your schizo word vomit.

 

[Haim Arlosoroff]

@Haim Arlosoroff get help, i'm not reading your schizo word vomit.

Then why respond to me? I am the Help.

 

[Tomboy Respecter]

yeah, they were extremely genetically diverse and they got their mathematics, religion, and alphabets from asia/africa.

by the way, the father of greek philosophy was a phoenician.

They were all Indo-European with an admixture of the local population (Etruscans for the Romans and Pre-Greek peoples for the Greeks). And yes, they engaged in cultural and intellectual discource with other nearby civilizations in Egypt and the Levant (which is the souce of their aptitude in mathematics, their alphabet, etc). As for the Phonecian philosopher part, the only one that comes to mind right now is Zeno of Citium, who founded the Stoic school.

 

[snailslime]

They were all Indo-European with an admixture of the local population (Etruscans for the Romans and Pre-Greek peoples for the Greeks).

Is that so?

And yes, they engaged in cultural and intellectual discource with other nearby civilizations in Egypt and the Levant (which is the souce of their aptitude in mathematics, their alphabet, etc). As for the Phonecian philosopher part, the only one that comes to mind right now is Zeno of Citium, who founded the Stoic school.

I wonder who taught the Greeks what they knew?

 

[Sailor Kim Jong Moon]

Ok I’ll answer this retard thread seriously.

Historians can use art to date and analyze civilizations. Art has always had certain motifs, themes, style that correspond to the culture and time period it belongs. This is evident in Mesoamerica, Mesopotamia, Italian Renaissance, all the way to brutal Russian commie art and CalArts/Tumbrl shit. It’s all very similar in its own grouping. This isn’t a new phenomenon.

So, then, why slavery/oppression/blackness as being the motif repeated as nauseum? I have a few theories

First, most art through history depicts religious themes and origin stories. In a world void of religion and spirituality, people crave some creation myth to explain their identity. Tie this in with cynical political strategy to use idPol to control the masses and you’ve got a strong incentive to fetishize slavery and oppression. Slavery/oppression is their religious origin story and they cling to it with religious fervor.

Second, due to the two factors listed above, these repeated motifs are both popular and profitable. That means more copycats and higher demand. What doesn’t fit into that mold is swept aside or doesn’t come to fruition.

I don’t think this has anything to do with intelligence or creativity.

If/when the racial and identity problems plaguing the west subsides, there will be a diversifying of artistic style amongst black american artists. IMO

 

[Iron Jaguar]

what's wrong with either one of those arguments?

Ok, so women can fuck off and never, ever talk about or commentate on men's sport or anything else men do. Women generally don't own guns, so you can all shut the fuck up about gun violence. In fact, women don't commit mass shootings, so women are not allowed to have an opinion on that topic either.


Only someone completely intellectually vapid would truly believe the old "If No X Then No Y" formula. Of course, very few actually do believe it; it's just a mantra that they think will work to silence their opponents, not realising that intelligent people just laugh at their idiocy. It's like the Jedi Mind Trick: it only works on weak-minded fools i.e. other liberal women.

 

[snailslime]

Ok, so women can fuck off and never, ever talk about or commentate on men's sport or anything else men do.

most of us don't give a shit about your lame sports, lol.

Women generally don't own guns, so you can all shut the fuck up about gun violence. In fact, women don't commit mass shootings, so women are not allowed to have an opinion on that topic either.

your mom must be the only woman you know.

Only someone completely intellectually vapid would truly believe the old "If No X Then No Y" formula. Of course, very few actually do believe it; it's just a mantra that they think will work to silence their opponents, not realising that intelligent people just laugh at their idiocy. It's like the Jedi Mind Trick: it only works on weak-minded fools i.e. other liberal women.

word vomit

 

[Sailor Kim Jong Moon]

Ok, so women can fuck off and never, ever talk about or commentate on men's sport or anything else men do. Women generally don't own guns, so you can all shut the fuck up about gun violence. In fact, women don't commit mass shootings, so women are not allowed to have an opinion on that topic either.


Only someone completely intellectually vapid would truly believe the old "If No X Then No Y" formula. Of course, very few actually do believe it; it's just a mantra that they think will work to silence their opponents, not realising that intelligent people just laugh at their idiocy. It's like the Jedi Mind Trick: it only works on weak-minded fools i.e. other liberal women.

Haven’t academics welcomed this fallacy by rebranding it as “stand point theory”? It’s one reason college educated 20 something’s are so incredibly obnoxious to talk to about virtually everything

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

Name me three wide-release movies directed by a black man in the last five years that didn’t circle back to some theme of oppression or racism.

Hmmm...I wonder what we might notice if we look at the source of financing for the production & distribution for those movies. Some sort of common thread that might tie things together?