Why should I be Catholic?

[Mothra1988]

LOL @Tomboy Respecter being this butt hurt:



How is this wrong, you dumbass? Anyways my favorite part of this entire thread was you claiming to have read volumes on Bible translation when you didn't even know the New Teatament was originally in Greek, exposing youurself as a liar. Enjoy your autism, I'm done responding because you have no idea what you are talking about.

You shouldn't, you should adopt the particular religion of your ancestors (animism and polytheism).

I think you mean the religion of trannies. If you come from Europe, your ancestors were Christians.

 

[Zarael]

In terms of religious traditions Catholicism is a good one, maybe even the best one. Certainly its theology and philosophy is some of the richest and it's liturgy and cult is theurgy at it's finest. Meditations on the Tarot is an excellent book to get you started on the correct path of Catholicism and not going straight into SSPX style trad larping.

 

[Tomboy Respecter]

LOL @Tomboy Respecter being this butt hurt:

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How is this wrong, you dumbass? Anyways my favorite part of this entire thread was you claiming to have read volumes on Bible translation when you didn't even know the New Teatament was originally in Greek, exposing youurself as a liar. Enjoy your autism, I'm done responding because you have no idea what you are talking about.



I think you mean the religion of trannies. If you come from Europe, your ancestors were Christians.

Fuck off cunt. I can negrate you all I want. Are you such a bitch that you actually care about sticker? I posted my sources and where how I came to believe what I believe but all you do is sperg like an antiquated religious bigot from a bygone era. I don't really care if you don't interact with me. You're fucking dumb and don't know how to analytically come to any Truth. You're basically on the same level as a Muslim (I'm right because I'm right and this book says so): uncritical and unthinking. I don't like interacting with people like that. I've shit on fellow Catholics for the same thought process you have and gotten basically the same response. Idiots are not good company and your lack of interaction will not be missed.

 

[Skitarii]

I would say your gods are dead, but they never existed in the first place.

YOU'RE DED

POW

 

[mr.moon1488]

You shouldn't be. The truest church which still exists is the orthodox church.

 

[Ser Prize]

The current pope is a commie faggot who has undone all the work the last one did to root out pedo priests. Catholics ain't shit until they cast Francis the fuck up down.

 

[Conan O'Barbarian]

All this talk of tradition. Modern Christians have no way of knowing what traditions are truly from Jesus. Many books of the New Testament were only written a century or more after his death, further corrupted by the book being translated back and forth between a dozen dialects of Greek, Latin, and Aramaic for several centuries. And then the Germanics got hold of it. This change of language from the (often apprentice) monks tasked with creating and translating new copies often resulted in things like unicorns and a simple word with multiple meanings being translated in a particular way and depending on the time period or the nation one particular meaning was treated like gospel over another. Like the word "brother" or "kinsman" for instance, you spergs.

Other fallible men have been tweaking the Bible since at least the Middle Ages to place the church above God's people. Adding and excluding books over time because they were on-message for the current priesthood, or they were icky.

Also some talk of Latin being essential when Jesus did not speak it.

Denomination doesn't matter. The things that make religion "pretty" and desirable do not matter. You either believe or you don't believe, but there are both Protestants and Catholics in this thread screeching like monkeys about aforementioned corrupted book. Do you want to associate with either of them? Read the Bible and absorb the major takeaways because that is the only thing that matters.

 

[Zarael]

All this talk of tradition. Modern Christians have no way of knowing what traditions are truly from Jesus. Many books of the New Testament were only written a century or more after his death, further corrupted by the book being translated back and forth between Greek, Latin, and Aramaic for several centuries. This change of language from the (often apprentice) monks tasked with creating and translating new copies often resulted in things like unicorns and a simple word with multiple meanings being translated in a particular way and depending on the time period or the nation one particular meaning was treated like gospel over another. Like the word "brother" or "kinsman" for instance, you spergs.

This isn't true at all. We have Greek manuscripts dating back to the 2nd Century and they agree with what we have today. The Bible being a "game of telephone" is an atheist fallacy since the Bible was translated into Latin exactly once, by Jerome and then the Vulgate became the official translation of the Western Church and was simply transcribed Latin to Latin. On the other hand the Eastern Church maintained the Greek copies and the NT was never translated at all.

Also your dating of the gospels is way off. The earliest one was Mark written before the fall of Jerusalem dating it at 69 AD at the absolute latest, well within the lifetime of Peter.

Also some talk of Latin being essential when Jesus did not speak it.

Kind of missing the point there. Jesus didn't speak Greek either and the NT was entirely written in Greek.

 

[Conan O'Barbarian]

This isn't true at all. We have Greek manuscripts dating back to the 2nd Century and they agree with what we have today. The Bible being a "game of telephone" is an atheist fallacy since the Bible was translated into Latin exactly once, by Jerome and then the Vulgate became the official translation of the Western Church and was simply transcribed Latin to Latin. On the other hand the Eastern Church maintained the Greek copies and the NT was never translated at all.

Also your dating of the gospels is way off. The earliest one was Mark written before the fall of Jerusalem dating it at 69 AD at the absolute latest, well within the lifetime of Peter.


Kind of missing the point there. Jesus didn't speak Greek either and the NT was entirely written in Greek.

Where do you suppose those Greek manuscripts written 200 years after Jesus died came from?

No. Jerome compiled other people's translations, texts known as the Vetus Latina, written over a hundred years before he wrote the Vulgate, and in older forms of Latin.

I said "many" not "all."

No point missed at all. It was brought up that if a church does not perform Latin Mass it's not a real church. The point was to proliferate God's word to all people around the world in accessible ways was my point. Keeping Latin Mass is one of those completely unnecessary traditions that serve no purpose other than to keep Mass "pretty."

 

[Jace E. Denton]

You've literally made zero points on anything other than angry sperging, and you type like you are functionally retarded. What religion are your parents btw? Gee, I wonder.

this is the cult sperging im talking about. They think you need to make points against their literal invisible playmates. Mental illness. You definitely got fiddled and diddled by your pastor.

You are mentally ill and got brainwashed into thinking fiction is real as a kid. Waste of oxygen just like any other cultist. Your entire "faith" literally can't be argued against because it is based on fiction, it is unfalsifiable by design, so that's why you just get called out for being a mentally ill cultist who believes in invisible people.

Bahahahhahahahahhahahaha

 

[EyeGuy]

And then there's the issue of the fucking Aramaic, the OG language of the Bible disagreeing with you. If James the Younger was Jesus's blood brother, the Aramaic for it would be something like James, son of Mary.

This is not accurate. The fact that there is no specific term to designate cousins etc. in Hebrew and Aramaic does not mean that the word for brother does not refer to a literal brother when used in context of familial relations (it could refer to a half brother, though). If the Peshitta or the Talmud or any other Aramaic text wants to specify a cousin, they'd say something like בריה דאחוה דאימיה. If not, אחוה is always taken to mean an actual brother. AFAIK there is no case of the Hebrew Bible using אח to refer to a cousin, either, but you can correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Jace E. Denton]

Fuck off cunt. I can negrate you all I want. Are you such a bitch that you actually care about sticker? I posted my sources and where how I came to believe what I believe but all you do is sperg like an antiquated religious bigot from a bygone era. I don't really care if you don't interact with me. You're fucking dumb and don't know how to analytically come to any Truth. You're basically on the same level as a Muslim (I'm right because I'm right and this book says so): uncritical and unthinking. I don't like interacting with people like that. I've shit on fellow Catholics for the same thought process you have and gotten basically the same response. Idiots are not good company and your lack of interaction will not be missed.

This niggersperg is so mati and I love it.

Watching two brainbroke jesusfags go at each other's throats over fictional characters is some chef's kiss shit.

hurrrr Mary hurr crosses and romans durr magic miracles totally happened u guys derpadee

 

[Zarael]

Where do you suppose those Greek manuscripts written 200 years after Jesus died came from?

From earlier Greek manuscripts going back to the first century.

No. Jerome compiled other people's translations, texts known as the Vetus Latina, written over a hundred years before he wrote the Vulgate, and in older forms of Latin.

It may be surprising to you but modern translations also use earlier translations as the base. There are about 6 different modern english bible translations that use the KJV as the base translation with sporadic edits where needed. Regardless this doesn't support the argument that the translations contain errors, since Jerome knew Greek and corrected the NT translations where they diverged from the Greek.

Keeping Latin Mass is one of those completely unnecessary traditions that serve no purpose other than to keep Mass "pretty."

The liturgy is the core of the Christian spiritual life. Everything hinges on it. If you think aesthetics are the only reason for aspects of the Latin mass you need to go back and reread your Church Fathers.

 

[Cringe newfag]

this is the cult sperging im talking about. They think you need to make points against their literal invisible playmates. Mental illness. You definitely got fiddled and diddled by your pastor.

You are mentally ill and got brainwashed into thinking fiction is real as a kid. Waste of oxygen just like any other cultist. Your entire "faith" literally can't be argued against because it is based on fiction, it is unfalsifiable by design, so that's why you just get called out for being a mentally ill cultist who believes in invisible people.

Bahahahhahahahahhahahaha

But you are a sped too though. Because then you say stuff like this:

All religion is false

Athiesm is as illogical as Theism. Agnosticism is the only objectively rational way to think about unknowable-but-hypothetically-possible things.

How do you know we aren't in some kind of simulation, and the Simulation Builders aren't actually completely schitzoid and capricious entities like the Abrahamic god? (plz don't be offended if you're real btw, not cursing u God). And that they haven't set up some kind of system by which people can graduate from the simulation if they do certain things? We, in our universe could do such a thing, which means it absolutely would be possible for someone higher up. If we can do it, they can, which means we could be in a simulation (and by extension, any religion could actually be true, with entities from a higher layer with unknowable laws running things according to whatever attitudes they want).

The fact that you are absolutely certain that this entirely possible thing is not real, in the deficit of any actual proof either way, is irrational. It ultimately comes down to just an act of faith.

The correct response to hearing a Christian talking about God is to shrug and go "eh, maybe, dude. I hope that's not true, he seems like a bit of a jerk." (again pls no hell if you actually are there, Yahweh my dude). Not "I KNOW FOR A FACT IT'S NOT REAL!1!!"

 

[Kickster]

Best thing of this thread are the heretic cucks triggered by the pope knowing the bible

 

[Jace E. Denton]

But you are a sped too though. Because then you say stuff like this:

Athiesm is as illogical as Theism. Agnosticism is the only objectively rational way to think about unknowable-but-hypothetically-possible things.

How do you know we aren't in some kind of simulation, and the Simulation Builders aren't actually completely schitzoid and capricious entities like the Abrahamic god? (plz don't be offended if you're real btw, not cursing u God). And that they haven't set up some kind of system by which people can graduate from the simulation if they do certain things? We, in our universe could do such a thing, which means it absolutely would be possible for someone higher up. If we can do it, they can, which means we could be in a simulation (and by extension, any religion could actually be true, with entities from a higher layer with unknowable laws running things according to whatever attitudes they want).

The fact that you are absolutely certain that this entirely possible thing is not real, in the deficit of any actual proof either way, is irrational. It ultimately comes down to just an act of faith.

The correct response to hearing a Christian talking about God is to shrug and go "eh, maybe, dude. I hope that's not true, he seems like a bit of a jerk." (again pls no hell if you actually are there, Yahweh my dude). Not "I KNOW FOR A FACT IT'S NOT REAL!1!!"

shut up you autistic nigger

i didnt read a word of your library lmao

 

[Little oak tree]

Because it's good to know it's rituals and beliefs to perfection so you can invert them and make black masses

 

[Conan O'Barbarian]

This niggersperg is so mati and I love it.

Watching two brainbroke jesusfags go at each other's throats over fictional characters is some chef's kiss shit.

hurrrr Mary hurr crosses and romans durr magic miracles totally happened u guys derpadee

You know, we may not agree on religious matters, but watching Prods and Pope-Worshippers argue over petty semantics like particular wording rather than actual doctrine, par for the course really, reminds me of why I rejected both.

Great, you've read up on the meanings of Greek and Aramaic words. Whether James was Jesus' brother or not does not change the message and is one of the many reasons the Bible is a man-made work, subject to man's imperfections.

From earlier Greek manuscripts going back to the first century.


It may be surprising to you but modern translations also use earlier translations as the base. There are about 6 different modern english bible translations that use the KJV as the base translation with sporadic edits where needed. Regardless this doesn't support the argument that the translations contain errors, since Jerome knew Greek and corrected the NT translations where they diverged from the Greek.


The liturgy is the core of the Christian spiritual life. Everything hinges on it. If you think aesthetics are the only reason for aspects of the Latin mass you need to go back and reread your Church Fathers.

You said "the Bible was translated into Latin exactly once, by Jerome," which is false, and you think I'm the one who doesn't know about the evolution of the Bible? The Vulgate has its own sordid past with edits long after the author's death, only after two popes dug their claws into it with edits and revisions did it become the official Latin translation in 1590, thrown out, re-edited and resurfaced again two years later (Jerome died in the 5th century). Granted the second revision is believed to be closer to the original, but nonetheless proves my point that self-aggrandizing clergy have tampered with the Bible many times.

And it's completely necessary in Latin? A dead language few people learn anymore, certainly not most laypeople? Because of tradition? Vanity. You can worship whatever way you like, The Catholic church enjoys separating the people further from God any way it can.

 

[Mayor Adam West]

Martin Luther also thought that Revelation should be in the apocrypha. Martin Luther can be right on some things and wrong in others. James the Just is Jesus's brother period as per Josephus and Paul and the gospels. Adelphoi clearly means brother in this context. Your tradition is a lie and ahistorical, and I'm tired of Catholic mental gymnastics trying to change history. There's a blood line of Jesus's family through Jude as well that survived multiple generations.

Catholics just want to excuse their Mary worship which is another component of paganism passed down into their theology. Catholics also thought Mary Magdalene was a whore and that unicorns were in the Bible. Gnosticism was also a tradition for hundreds of years. Something being a tradition does not mean it's right, or there would be three heads of John the Baptist instead of one, because of the existence of multiple relics with a tradition. Catholics even believe in figures like Veronica that were created out of the confusion of what words mean. The existence of tradition is not an argument. There are plenty of examples of Catholic tradition beyond that one that are just silly or wrong.

Also I like how "tradcaths" start screeching about stuff like trannies when that's what their Catholic political representatives support, and then in the same breath they condemn "evangelicals" because they are aligned with right wing politics. Huge cognitive dissonance going on. The only thing they can do is try to lump in weird mainline denominations into "protestants" as a generic all encomapassing category, trying to erase what the actual evangelicals think that they hate so much.

Hey man. Congrats you won a new car. Why don't you go start it?

Alternatively, you could go to a protestant church where the biggest requirement is walking through a door and sitting in a pew.

And how the fuck is that a religion then? I could walk into a church one day and then never show up again and I'd be a Prod.

lmao me and Tomboy teaming up to double Dumb on people for different reasons is fucking hilarious

enemy of my enemy and shit

yall religifags still brainrot af tho

What color do you want your car to be?

 

[Jace E. Denton]

You know, we may not agree on religious matters, but watching Prods and Pope-Worshippers argue over petty semantics like particular wording rather than actual doctrine, par for the course really, reminds me of why I rejected both.

True. You're also unbaitable it seems but those other rejects both got mati and rage quit the thread which is funny to me.

Tomboy is still floating around rating things dumb but he is scared to post and scared of me irl because he's a manlet who can't do a single pull-up.

And facts don't care about feelings. Majority of pedophiles are in Christianity in the West. Child molesting cult is all it is.