Wicked. - Based on the musical.

InJailOutSoon said:
Hearing that the book Wicked was some fetishistic adult fanfiction is both surprising and unsurprising. I wonder how many fans of the musical would change their tune if they knew that.
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Can I have a source on that?

Cause if it was, it was real shit.

And I doubt they would change their mind. Pretty much every fan that would care already headcanons Elphaba and Glinda as Bi.
 
Is this Ariana Grande first big acting role since her time on the Nickelodeon shows? A cursory glance on her IMDB page shows most her acting has been in music videos.
 
6MillionCoofs said:
Can I have a source on that?

Cause if it was, it was real shit.

And I doubt they would change their mind. Pretty much every fan that would care already headcanons Elphaba and Glinda as Bi.
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Doing just a quick Google search of the book because I'm not wasting my time on reading it. A lot of people talk about the tiger sex scene, with some arguing of whether or not it was beastality since the tiger is a fatasical creature that has human intelligence and can talk. There's also other occurrences of beastality with an orgy, rape scenes, and just sex in general (probably with the affair of Elphaba and the married guy). There's apparently even a scene of 12 year-olds engaging in sex? (I put a question mark there because there was never a confirmation. But if Stephen King can write 'IT', I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't true.) And it sounds like the later books in this series (yes, this is a series) have more vulgarities.

There's also just a huge focus on politics and the world building of Oz and it's surrounding. That doesn't sound too bad since the original books this series is based off had a world that was just waiting to be explored more, but it seems like many questions were just left unanswered. Also the fact that all the characters aren't supposed to be either just good or bad, except for Oz who is the main antagonist The writer said he was alluding to him as essentially being Hitler.
 
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InJailOutSoon said:
Doing just a quick Google search of the book because I'm not wasting my time on reading it. A lot of people talk about the tiger sex scene, with some arguing of whether or not it was beastality since the tiger is a fatasical creature that has human intelligence and can talk. There's also other occurrences of beastality with an orgy, rape scenes, and just sex in general (probably with the affair of Elphaba and the married guy). There's apparently even a scene of 12 year-olds engaging in sex? (I put a question mark there because there was never a confirmation. But if Stephen King can write 'IT', I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't true.) And it sounds like the later books in this series (yes, this is a series) have more vulgarities.
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Jesus, I don’t remember half of that stuff being in there. Oh dear oh dear.
InJailOutSoon said:
The writer said he was alluding to him as essentially being Hitler.
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Lmao.

I do love it when writers are so up themselves the shit they say ruins there own work.

As it is, I doubt people would care. Like the original Oz people don’t know Wicked as a book. But as a happy musical.
 
6MillionCoofs said:
Jesus, I don’t remember half of that stuff being in there. Oh dear oh dear.

Lmao.

I do love it when writers are so up themselves the shit they say ruins there own work.

As it is, I doubt people would care. Like the original Oz people don’t know Wicked as a book. But as a happy musical.
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Yeah. I feel like a majority of the fans of the Wicked musical, only really watched The Wizard of Oz film, instead of reading the books. They probably see Elphaba being the one from the film, instead of the original books of the 1900s. Especially since she wasn't green in the original source material.
 
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Had to see the trailer twice when I saw Twisters and it was awful each time. I honestly thought it was directed by Rob Marshall it's got so many damn minorities in it, and they're all ass-ugly, especially the wicked witch girlboss. All the women seemed to love it though so I guess it'll make money.
 
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The Nothingness said:
Is this Ariana Grande first big acting role since her time on the Nickelodeon shows? A cursory glance on her IMDB page shows most her acting has been in music videos.
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Probably. But I heard She saw the original Broadway cast when she was like 10 and since then wanted to play Glinda. She said she was prepping most of her life for it.

New trailer.


I like how they incorporated the Wicked Witch of the West theme.
 
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I had forgotten just how botched Ariana Grande's face looks now. Bitch has larped as every racial group and all that's left is to larp aggressively Italian for her to go full circle.
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Who is even going to get triggered now? Musical fans either are on her camp or don't give two fucks because they know the movie is going to be shit like every time they adapt a musical.
 
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something to think about:

Cynthia Erivo helped kill The Great Comet of 1812 with a fake racism accusation campaign, and she's back again to self-sabotage Wicked by attacking the fanbase for poster edits.​




I've been following Wicked for a while now, not really paying too much attention to the casting choices. Recently, however, Cynthia Erivo has put a spotlight on herself because she couldn't shut up and let fans celebrate the original play by editing together the movie poster to resemble the original play poster.

For reference, you can see current movie poster and the original Broadway poster here. You can see how the image on the left has Cynthia staring out at the viewer like a dead fish, zero personality, taking herself entirely too seriously. Which I presume was an insistence on her part, compared to the playful, smirking, and mysterious design on the right.

https://i.imgur.com/frBFWDa.jpg

And here is the edit made by fans of the play.

https://i.imgur.com/3pJOUcB.jpg

Very tastefully done, nothing offensive about it, just more (any) personality injected and better portraying the two witches as they were in the OG poster. You can see Cynthia proving herself to be a complete and utter tourist into the role she has chosen, to seethe over the existing fan community by trying to make this character all about her when the character has been portrayed by hundreds of actresses since Wicked first debuted. She knows nothing about the original book that actually discuss the witch's genitals several times, or the famous 'Is Your Pussy Green?' Wicked poster graffiti from over a decade past.

She shows herself to have lived a very privileged life if this is literally the most offensive thing she has ever seen. Every subreddit I've looked into about this, from the Wicked fan community, to Movies, to Entertainment, all largely concur that she's a diva with a ruby slipper up her ass. Critical Drinker goes into more analysis of it here:


But I kept noticing a recurring theme in the comments, something referencing a play called The Great Comet of 1812 and how it ended up collapsing under her online smear campaign against the play. A reddit post from 7 years ago summarizes it better than I could:

A brief timeline:

-The Great Comet opens with Josh Groban in the lead. Ticket sales are great, and it picks up a several Tony nominations.

-The Great Comet gets no Tony Awards, which is bad news for an original musical that isn't based on a recognizable property (think Aladdin, or Beautiful, or Billy Elliott, or most shows on Broadway). With Josh Groban in the lead, ticket sales remain strong, however.

-Josh Groban announces his departure. Okieriete "Oak" Onaodowan is announced as his replacement, and singer-songwriter Ingrid Michaelson is announced as stepping into the role of Sonya for a few weeks. Brittain Ashford, the original Sonya, is said to be taking the time off to tour or something, but it's fairly obvious to anyone who knows the business that they're replacing her with another music star (albeit someone with a lot less profile than Groban) to boost sales, and Ashford probably didn't have a say in the matter.

-Oak says on Twitter that the production needs a another week to get ready for him, so his start date is pushed back and creator Dave Malloy steps into the role. Later we learned that it was in fact Oak who wasn't ready, as he couldn't learn the instruments that Pierre is supposed to play. Even with the delayed start dates, Oak can't get ready in time and they decide to scrap that part of the character. Depending on who you believe, Oak is getting into fights with the director during the rehearsal period.

-Ticket sales drop to around 80% IIRC for the Oak-Michaelson cast. For a production as expensive as Great Comet, they're basically treading water. Worse - for the dates after Ingrid Michaelson leaves, ticket sales tank. Oak (as the tenth-billed actor in Hamilton) evidently isn't famous enough to bring in the tourist dollar.

-The producers start looking for a way to save the show, and find Mandy Patinkin, who, because of his shooting schedule for Homeland, is only available the last three weeks of Oak's scheduled run (already shortened because of his delay to get onstage). Producer Howard Kagan says that Oak will "make room" for Patinkin. (Patinkin probably couldn't have revitalized the entire show with a single three-week appearance, but was giving the producers time to find another star who could join for longer, and were apparently zeroing in on someone).

-With lots of people in the industry and on the internet freshly (and rightly) sensitive to issues of diversity onstage, backlash begins to brew about a white actor replacing a black one -- never you mind that the role isn't written for a black actor, and that the entire casting process is race-blind, and that The Great Comet was one of the most diverse casts on Broadway with a black leading actress across from Pierre. Where the backlash started is up for debate, but it probably started in earnest with Rafael Casal, who encouraged people to direct their ire at The Great Comet. Curiously, Oak reportedly met with Casal in his dressing room, and decided to go back on his plans to do press with Patinkin even though he'd previously agreed to.

-The backlash is amplified by several figures you may have seen onstage, Ariana DuBose, for example, but by far the person with the biggest platform was Cynthia Erivo. She's mentioned in most of the articles and probably contributed the most out of any one person to making it a "newsworthy" event.

-Patinkin drops out because of the toxic atmosphere. Obviously they can't get another star attached now. Ticket sales tank. Show closes. Oak, Erivo, Casal all disavow any responsibility or admit that they maybe twisted a story into something it wasn't. The incredibly diverse cast and crew of The Great Comet isn't thrilled they all lost their jobs because of a fake controversy.

So no, Cynthia Erivo didn't single-handedly take down Great Comet, but her brigading along with Casal, Oak, and others ruined the opportunity The Great Comet had of coming out of its post-Groban slump.

Further reading:

http://www.vulture.com/2017/09/great-comet-dave-malloy-is-still-processing.htmlhttps://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/29/theater/great-comet-broadway-race.htmlhttps://nypost.com/2017/08/03/without-groban-and-patinkin-vultures-are-circling-great-comet/

Why are all forms of entertainment gradually becoming flooded with narcissistic, self-important women torpedoing everything they're attached to? From games, TV and movies to broadway itself. On the Wicked and Broadway subreddits there are many people insisting that they won't be seeing Wicked in theaters at all due to Cynthia, her current controversy and her past sabotaging.
 
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Wulfpack Legend said:
Why are all forms of entertainment gradually becoming flooded with narcissistic, self-important women torpedoing everything they're attached to? From games, TV and movies to broadway itself. On the Wicked and Broadway subreddits there are many people insisting that they won't be seeing Wicked in theaters at all due to Cynthia, her current controversy and her past sabotaging.
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Because the only people who care about Broadway shows are women and gays. No one else gives a crap.
 
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crazy that Ariana was willing to fuck the boq actor in this movie. like no wonder people are starting to think she has a legit psychological problem. its one thing to fuck an attractive dude, this nigga looks like skinny Null
InJailOutSoon said:
I'm not wasting my time on reading it
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i'm not that big of a book, and the sex scenes aren't hentai level detailed, only slightly more detail than what you just said. also back in the 90s it was rather common for people to have sex and relationships so it makes sense to have characters like that, the bestiality claims are sort of unfair when they're just using talking animals like a cowardly lion as stand ins for minorities, which is also why Oz is so evil, for hating all the talking animals.

I'd say its about as spicy towards sex as your average Michael Crichton book
 
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I just watched the trailer for this. Mainly out of morbid curiosity. How old is this actress? Hell, I'll answer it myself because I just looked it up on IMDB. She's 37. This whole thing is set as first years at a university, right? Leave aside any other casting discussions - just ask why they'd cast a 37 year old woman as an 18 year old character? Ariana Grande's character is the same age and Ariana is a little too old for that as well but she's at least younger than Erivo and with her elfin build she at least can look somewhat younger.
 
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