William James Mitchell vs. Twin Galaxies LLC, Jeff Harrist & Jeremy Young & donkeykongforum.com, Benjamin Q Smith

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Damn, that AGDQ thing by AJ is damn near identical to all the shit that was said about the OHF. Do mother fuckers not understand in the slightest how NPOs and small charities work? You pay fucking expenses for fundraisers FIRST, that is how it has ALWAYS worked. Never thought I would have to even come close to defending the troonout that is GDQ, but come on, that shit is basic as fuck. Are all of these fucking "cheating exposes" the same? Wannabe Perry fucking Mason's who think they are smarter than they are? It's like one of these idiots says something and it spreads from moron to moron like a virus.
 
Billy's MAME runs did have an unusually high proportion of barrels, which you jump over/destroy to increase your score. It's possible to reload save states over and over to give yourself more barrels (as they spawn randomly) and jack up your score. Did Billy just get really, really lucky? Maybe.

High compared to the average run or compared to world record runs? Do you know what sampling bias is? Do you know what survivorship bias is? Is luck a conditio sine qua non for setting a world record? Obviously, luck and score are positively correlated. If you were to select for the 99.99th percentile of score, you would be selecting for above average luck.
 
You pay fucking expenses for fundraisers FIRST, that is how it has ALWAYS worked.
no shit sherlock the criticism is that their expenses are overblown because the event is run inefficiently by narcissistic tranny glazers who think they can do no wrong and the only thing preventing it from ending up like creator clash (for now) is the sheer autism of people who watch speedrunning and throw money at it.
 
High compared to the average run or compared to world record runs? Do you know what sampling bias is? Do you know what survivorship bias is? Is luck a conditio sine qua non for setting a world record? Obviously, luck and score are positively correlated. If you were to select for the 99.99th percentile of score, you would be selecting for above average luck.
I dunno, bruv. I'm relaying what I've heard. I'm not on the TG verification team.
 
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Apollo, buddy, I got some good news and some bad news :story:
 
If this were to go to appeal and Karl argued that "Billy need to provide more proof for the supposed damage he suffered", then Billy could go and present a multitude of witnesses that would support his narrative that he was so emotionally hurt and angry when he was being accused by Karl and his fans that his productivity suffered, he could not work right and manage the restaurants, he could not stream without getting upset because of comments, and then people stopped inviting him to gaming exhibitions or events.
Since when can you introduce new witnesses on appeal? He had every opportunity to present witnesses at trial. An appeal isn't a retrial. The parties brief their cases and then when fully briefed, the court may ask counsel to make oral arguments. Then they take it under advisement and decide.

As for aggravated damages, the pleadings only asked for $50,000, hence the judge's comment.

While Billy would certainly be on the hook for any new legal fees, the appeals court isn't going to rewrite his own pleadings for him to add things he never asked for.

However, they could up the general damages to the statutory limit, which isn't much more. It's A$432,500 and the judge awarded A$300,000 (the other A$50,000 is the aggravated damages).

I think the most likely outcome of an appeal is Jobst just loses and has to pay costs and fees for Billy. The best outcome is he gets a reduction of some sort, and obviously the worst is Billy outright wins on a cross appeal, gets the damages jacked up, AND Karl has to pay costs and fees for everything. (And one that is very unlikely is that not only does the last happen but they also find the appeal is frivolous and throw in sanctions too.)
>making response >not even watching the Judges video
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Shades of Russell Greer insisting Hardin broke a protective order while admitting he never read it and even after two different judges have told him Hardin didn't.
 
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Since when can you introduce new witnesses on appeal? He had every opportunity to present witnesses at trial.
You are right, I did not make myself very clear there. He could likely not present new evidence during the appeal he did not bring in during the initial trial, but he would certainly have plenty of new evidence available if the an appeal were to be granted and a new trial scheduled.

I am not sure if it were possible to show evidence during an appeal to prove the judge was correct in his findings, bringing in the public reaction to the judgement. As a judge in an appeals court I would be interested in seeing if the public, which was brought in as evidence in the form of comments in the trial, reacted to the judgement. And the reaction has been pretty one-sided in favor of Billy Mitchell.

It is up to the appeals court what they allow.
As for aggravated damages, the pleadings only asked for $50,000, hence the judge's comment.

While Billy would certainly be on the hook for any new legal fees, the appeals court isn't going to rewrite his own pleadings for him to add things he never asked for.
As I understand it the judge could have exceeded the asked for amount.

They would not have to rewrite his pleading at all, they could simply increase the amount of aggravated damages.

And/Or add Exemplary damages.
 
They would not have to rewrite his pleading at all, they could simply increase the amount of aggravated damages.
They would HAVE to rewrite his pleading if he only ASKED for $50,000. Sometimes (often) pleadings will have language like "and for such other and further relief as this court deems proper." I'm relying on the judge's representation of the pleading at the moment.

ETA: nvm the complaint is on page 13 of this thread but I'll attach it here.
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The appeals court can't just rewrite it to add "and a pony."

The judge also gave the explicit reason that he was only awarding $50,000 because that was all Billy asked for.
 

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The appeals court can't just rewrite it to add "and a pony."
Judges (or juries if this was a jury trial) are no longer bound by any cap (EDIT: for aggravated damages) since Rebel Wilson slapped around Bauer Media for defamation. (Source: Bauer Media Pty Ltd v. Wilson No.2)
And I believe Judges can exceed the asked for amounts, just like a judge in the US can sentence someone to more prison time than was requested by the state, and they usually get away with as long as they remain within reasonable boundaries.

If Karl and his lawyers challenge the amount awarded, Billy can file a counter claim and ask for more. Appealing this judgement can cut both ways, but it will 100% cause additional costs to pay for lawyers on both sides.
 
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Judges (or juries if this was a jury trial) are no longer bound by any cap since Rebel Wilson slapped around Bauer Media for defamation. (Source: Bauer Media Pty Ltd v. Wilson No.2)
That's Victoria, though, not Queensland. Not sure how precedents go there. In any event, even in that case, the court exceeded the statutory damages by also imposing aggravated damages, which the law explicitly allows, and there's no cap on aggravated damages anyway (although they are supposed in theory to have some relationship to the actual damages there are a number of factors that sometimes justify aggravated damages multiple times the actual damages).

In this case, I don't see how the judge could possibly have abused discretion by limiting aggravated damages to the amount pled.
 
Rebel's high amount was for specific and aggravated damages, not general, which are not capped. Although the $4mil+ for lost earnings was seriously reduced on appeal.

And an appeal in a civil matter doesn't result in a new trial.
 
In this case, I don't see how the judge could possibly have abused discretion by limiting aggravated damages to the amount pled.
You might as well be right, but I wish for Karl to suffer more if he appeals, because it would be a bitch move. He lost, he needs to pay up. The amount is deserved and if he keeps fighting it he is in fact causing additional harm.

It is a combination of my layman understanding of Australian law and because he mislead me personally about his foundation for the claims he made and I wish for him to suffer more. I was one of the people who believed his claim about Billy, and I feel plenty aggravated.

Rebel's high amount was for specific and aggravated damages, not general, which are not capped. Although the $4mil+ for lost earnings was seriously reduced on appeal.

And an appeal in a civil matter doesn't result in a new trial.
I believe her case was what got the cap on aggravated damages removed, prior to that it seems they were capped under the same limit as damages for non-economic loss, together as one sum. (But I could be wrong, its just what I read about it)





In other news, Karl admitted in 2023 that he had confirmed that Apollo did not pay Billy any money.
I really do not understand why he did not settle, he KNEW he was wrong. Did he really think "but Billy is a cheater so calling him a murderer did not harm his reputation" was a credible defense?
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There are a crap ton of YouTubers doing mental gymnastics to prove Karl Jobst is right and Mitchell is wrong and the judge is wrong.

Pointed out Jobst lied but instead they kept sperging out about Billy Mitchell’s lawyers did something or whatever and the judge is an idiot.
Well of course. Billy cheated at video games. It's serious business and a crime of the highest order!
They'll just let the, "he definitely caused the suicide of Apollo Legend," comment slide. Most of them didn't even know who he was and didn't care that he died, anyway. If they did they only cared because they hated GDQ for some, "they're going woke," reason but had no actual opinion beyond that vague statement.

Anyway, let's focus on what really matters, as stated: he cheated at video games. Billy is Satan incarnate.
 
And an appeal in a civil matter doesn't result in a new trial.
It can if they send it back for one, but it's usually going back to the same court for retrial. I don't see any real grounds for retrial here, though. The judge based the factual findings on evidence of record, then connected all the legal findings to the factual findings.

The argument about the lack of specific expert testimony may have merit. I have no real opinion on that, though we're clearly well beyond the point where further litigation is likely just throwing good money after bad.
 
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