Tyler1 weighed in on this, and he claims that the people who were "friends" with Reckful knew he needed help and didn't do enough to help him. I assume he's alluding to other streamers that knew Reckful offline, like Destiny. It seems like this could be true given what Destiny said:
It makes me kind of wonder just how many streamers knew he was suicidal and didn't bother to help him because "he's kind of drag, and he doesn't seem to want help." Idk, maybe Tyler's just speculating and it happens to coincidentally relate to what Destiny said.
I guess it just goes to show that streamers don't make very good friends. Who would have thunk it. At the end of the day it was his choice to do a flip. But ecelebs saying shit like "yea he is annoying to be around" and " mmm yea he doesn't want help, him doing a flip was gonna happen eventually", is just a cope. There is a whole list of things you can do to get them (and even mildly force them) to get the help. A real friend would have done that, and kept trying.
This is kind of confusing to me. Obviously, people with jobs and shit don't want to take care of someone else on top of themselves, but Destiny of all people is the people person on Twitch. He interacts more with other people than even those within the same streamer house, ie. OfflineTV. He could benefit from living with Reckful, who was also somewhat mature as far as I can tell, enough to the point of Destiny being a bisexual swinger wouldn't cause too much damage to Reckful compared to the ups.
People always regret not talking to people who killed themselves, but it takes a certain kind of person to just completely out of the blue hit up people, friend or foreigner, and provide quality conversation beyond "so whats up now, oh cool, well ttyl". I honestly can't pinpoint a person or situation that'd benefit Reckful, if not another streamer who just runs their own shit. Mizkif lives with a bunch of nobodies but they're friends and they bounce off one another. It's once you got 5 big personalities that shit conflicts. OfflineTV is based on niche communities despite 3-4 of them having tens of thousands of viewers, but even they barely stream together.
Destiny could've worked to some degree, but only because he likes to challenge people and his weird sex life wouldn't bother Byron as it would any smaller streamer circle. OfflineTV runs on play-along shipping and shit. Imagine a mature man coming in, talking openly about fucking people left and right. It wouldn't vibe well. But Byron had money out the ass and was an adult, it would've worked. But why would Destiny? He never seemed to settle well with anyone for longer periods of time.
Byron had a finger in a ton of shit and basically pioneered streamer monetization. He basically made Dr. K's therapy streams. But again, what else did he do? Complained and acted like an oblivious baby. I can't really see who would've been able to fix him, nor to a point that it wasn't just a plus/minus relationship eventually becoming minus/minus once Byron got on their nerves.
I don't think he put his depression onto others, but other than that, he behaved like an angsty teenager. Nobody can help you but yourself (by going to a professional). To unload that onto others is selfish, and that's what you see (Fedmyster ) teenagers do by saying "Oh guess ill kill myself then". You enable people to seek help, as Dr K pointed out, by listening and validating their thoughts. I can see how that's immensely difficult if Byron is high on drugs and shrooms around the clock, and always expressing this fake happiness most of us only experience briefly at the top of an alcoholic buzz or whatever. It'd be fucking annoying to be around on a daily basis.
It's another tale of people not getting help, and then you can talk about whether or not that's on other people not validating them. Their "didn't help enough" isn't actually taking action, it's about enabling him to seek help and leave it at that. Though, it's pretty depressing seeing all these streamers come out the woodworks suddenly having been best friends with him yet going months without talking.
You're on your fucking PC 14 hours a day. You can call Byron and GAIN from it; viewers, influence, relevancy. While you play your stupid shit. Byron said this himself in one of the more popular clips circling right now; "if you're lonely, just talk to people to play games with" or so. That's what he likely needed. Imagine if he had 2x2 hour long calls every day with different people of notoriety. He had so many high profile self-made streamers, not even this cliche streamer house circlejerk bullshit. So yes, in that way they let him down, but I feel it's a matter of "I'm sure more familiar people would do a better job than me", while those who are the closest, ie. Destiny, can't fucking stand baring witness to it, because Byron didn't actually seek help. He's likely akin those teens who think it cool to say "im so depressed lmao kill me" on Discord every day.
Quarantine especially must've underlined this. EVERYONE is at home. Entire movie casts are meeting on the same Zoom call to discuss their movies 2 decades later. It has never been more difficult to dodge a "Nah I'm busy" type of situation. He must've felt like living in a digital streamer house with people running around and slamming doors while his is untouched. Dr K's entire point with his memorial stream was underlining that we're amidst a pandemic of disconnection. I used to sit on calls tens hours at a time as a kid, with people who studied or had jobs or whatever. Now, I have jobs and shit to do, and still I could easily squeeze in 4 hours of talk a day, yet don't.
Everyone is fucking alone, and Byron basically just managed to prove it the same case at the top of a career meant to be about connection. Nobody watches your shit stream, they're there for the larger narrative and memes between people. Greekgodx was a stream sniper. Tyler1's girlfriend was a she-simp who stalked him. Some of the best friendships came from rivalries in games. And Reckful, by the end, just sat there. He didn't even dig his own hole like Mitch Jones, he just didn't have anything to do BUT talk alone. In that sense, I do hope these people feel they let Byron down. One god damn Discord call. We got fucking Twitch 12-person podcasts. It's the god damn Hollywood Squares, yet nobody wants to leave their little dirt house.
I fear nothing would change, but amidst all these career/organization ruining #MeToo's going on, and how people are suddenly doing 180's on Alinity, the potential is there. If anything, the fact twitch thots are reaching out to other people now, instead of just milking their private fanbase, is more of a proof to me than Byron's death that people are lonely as shit. You can have thousands of viewers in your pink pillowfort and make bank, but you'll never be legitimized in the eyes of other streamers. You can show up at Twitchcon and never have a proper conversation with other streamers, and those who do, as seen on LSF clips, barely have any personality or ability to relate. Because they live in their own little hole, but they prefer it that way. Cheat the system; climbing the social ladder and shit, by having breasts.
Then again, Alinity actually plays games and can talk about things, so she maybe just misplayed her hand into defining what a Twitch thot is, rather than actually wanting to be one. But hell, even the actual thots go on podcasts. Who knows. LSF is even starting to change up their rules and possibly make it possible for streamers to opt-out, which will basically kill the subreddit. NMP listed 10-15 very high profile streamers who has said they'd opt out, and then you'd literally have nothing left for that subreddit to do. Even Kaceytron, the literal thot of thots during her peak, came on Dr K and told how her parents are drug addicts and she has no reason to ever care for herself. That more or less saved her face, although she's not been relevant for a while. I have a feeling Alinity will be on Dr K as well soon, and Byron's death might've pushed people in favor of mental health stuff among the white american cishet male demographic, because Dr K actually made it hip to be real and upfront about yourself.
Give it a year, and maybe we'll be able to look back at this as the dark ages of LSF bullying and poor relationships only followed by big group hugs and positivity. But I doubt it.
This is kind of confusing to me. Obviously, people with jobs and shit don't want to take care of someone else on top of themselves, but Destiny of all people is the people person on Twitch. He interacts more with other people than even those within the same streamer house, ie. OfflineTV. He could benefit from living with Reckful, who was also somewhat mature as far as I can tell, enough to the point of Destiny being a bisexual swinger wouldn't cause too much damage to Reckful compared to the ups.
People always regret not talking to people who killed themselves, but it takes a certain kind of person to just completely out of the blue hit up people, friend or foreigner, and provide quality conversation beyond "so whats up now, oh cool, well ttyl". I honestly can't pinpoint a person or situation that'd benefit Reckful, if not another streamer who just runs their own shit. Mizkif lives with a bunch of nobodies but they're friends and they bounce off one another. It's once you got 5 big personalities that shit conflicts. OfflineTV is based on niche communities despite 3-4 of them having tens of thousands of viewers, but even they barely stream together.
Destiny could've worked to some degree, but only because he likes to challenge people and his weird sex life wouldn't bother Byron as it would any smaller streamer circle. OfflineTV runs on play-along shipping and shit. Imagine a mature man coming in, talking openly about fucking people left and right. It wouldn't vibe well. But Byron had money out the ass and was an adult, it would've worked. But why would Destiny? He never seemed to settle well with anyone for longer periods of time.
Byron had a finger in a ton of shit and basically pioneered streamer monetization. He basically made Dr. K's therapy streams. But again, what else did he do? Complained and acted like an oblivious baby. I can't really see who would've been able to fix him, nor to a point that it wasn't just a plus/minus relationship eventually becoming minus/minus once Byron got on their nerves.
I don't think he put his depression onto others, but other than that, he behaved like an angsty teenager. Nobody can help you but yourself (by going to a professional). To unload that onto others is selfish, and that's what you see (Fedmyster ) teenagers do by saying "Oh guess ill kill myself then". You enable people to seek help, as Dr K pointed out, by listening and validating their thoughts. I can see how that's immensely difficult if Byron is high on drugs and shrooms around the clock, and always expressing this fake happiness most of us only experience briefly at the top of an alcoholic buzz or whatever. It'd be fucking annoying to be around on a daily basis.
It's another tale of people not getting help, and then you can talk about whether or not that's on other people not validating them. Their "didn't help enough" isn't actually taking action, it's about enabling him to seek help and leave it at that. Though, it's pretty depressing seeing all these streamers come out the woodworks suddenly having been best friends with him yet going months without talking.
You're on your fucking PC 14 hours a day. You can call Byron and GAIN from it; viewers, influence, relevancy. While you play your stupid shit. Byron said this himself in one of the more popular clips circling right now; "if you're lonely, just talk to people to play games with" or so. That's what he likely needed. Imagine if he had 2x2 hour long calls every day with different people of notoriety. He had so many high profile self-made streamers, not even this cliche streamer house circlejerk bullshit. So yes, in that way they let him down, but I feel it's a matter of "I'm sure more familiar people would do a better job than me", while those who are the closest, ie. Destiny, can't fucking stand baring witness to it, because Byron didn't actually seek help. He's likely akin those teens who think it cool to say "im so depressed lmao kill me" on Discord every day.
Quarantine especially must've underlined this. EVERYONE is at home. Entire movie casts are meeting on the same Zoom call to discuss their movies 2 decades later. It has never been more difficult to dodge a "Nah I'm busy" type of situation. He must've felt like living in a digital streamer house with people running around and slamming doors while his is untouched. Dr K's entire point with his memorial stream was underlining that we're amidst a pandemic of disconnection. I used to sit on calls tens hours at a time as a kid, with people who studied or had jobs or whatever. Now, I have jobs and shit to do, and still I could easily squeeze in 4 hours of talk a day, yet don't.
Everyone is fucking alone, and Byron basically just managed to prove it the same case at the top of a career meant to be about connection. Nobody watches your shit stream, they're there for the larger narrative and memes between people. Greekgodx was a stream sniper. Tyler1's girlfriend was a she-simp who stalked him. Some of the best friendships came from rivalries in games. And Reckful, by the end, just sat there. He didn't even dig his own hole like Mitch Jones, he just didn't have anything to do BUT talk alone. In that sense, I do hope these people feel they let Byron down. One god damn Discord call. We got fucking Twitch 12-person podcasts. It's the god damn Hollywood Squares, yet nobody wants to leave their little dirt house.
I fear nothing would change, but amidst all these career/organization ruining #MeToo's going on, and how people are suddenly doing 180's on Alinity, the potential is there. If anything, the fact twitch thots are reaching out to other people now, instead of just milking their private fanbase, is more of a proof to me than Byron's death that people are lonely as shit. You can have thousands of viewers in your pink pillowfort and make bank, but you'll never be legitimized in the eyes of other streamers. You can show up at Twitchcon and never have a proper conversation with other streamers, and those who do, as seen on LSF clips, barely have any personality or ability to relate. Because they live in their own little hole, but they prefer it that way. Cheat the system; climbing the social ladder and shit, by having breasts.
Then again, Alinity actually plays games and can talk about things, so she maybe just misplayed her hand into defining what a Twitch thot is, rather than actually wanting to be one. But hell, even the actual thots go on podcasts. Who knows. LSF is even starting to change up their rules and possibly make it possible for streamers to opt-out, which will basically kill the subreddit. NMP listed 10-15 very high profile streamers who has said they'd opt out, and then you'd literally have nothing left for that subreddit to do. Even Kaceytron, the literal thot of thots during her peak, came on Dr K and told how her parents are drug addicts and she has no reason to ever care for herself. That more or less saved her face, although she's not been relevant for a while. I have a feeling Alinity will be on Dr K as well soon, and Byron's death might've pushed people in favor of mental health stuff among the white american cishet male demographic, because Dr K actually made it hip to be real and upfront about yourself.
Give it a year, and maybe we'll be able to look back at this as the dark ages of LSF bullying and poor relationships only followed by big group hugs and positivity. But I doubt it.
Bipolar can come with anxiety, as well, and psychosis. It's possible in his head at times he had no one because his brain was telling him he had no one. Have had patients that I knew had tons of social support tell me they had no one at times. Reality is whatever that person ins percieving, not always what is in fact real. Also, the social isolation caused by Covid has led to an increase in suicidal behavior because its triggering disorders that were latent or untreated. It's rather impossible to get help at moment in certain states unless you already were booked with a mental health clinic.
This isn't uncommon and ultimately says little about his personal character. Some people die very slowly, others very quickly- they can come across as "unbearable" if they've simply given up on being the person you liked to be around, no matter how pleasant they can be otherwise.
When somebody shrivels up, but keeps breathing, people don't wait to make their peace. The best way to get a feel for that is working with those near end-of-life for terminal diseases or the elderly, but there's a reason those fields have a very high turnover rate.
That's what I mean, when someone is sick for a long time and you're the one supporting them it's a relief when they actually die. This is why you don't see Destiny, Forsen, etc crying over him.
The people you see crying are the younger Austin streamers he would sometimes hang out with or random girls he would talk to. They most likely barely knew him.
Then you have people who didn't know him at all saying his friends should have done more. These are the same sort of tards who've never really been depressed and think spamming suicide hotlines is a solution.
Being friends with someone severely depressed sucks as you're abused from both sides. You turn into a parent for your friend and they exploit you like a real parent but to everyone outside whatever you do is never enough because they think you just need to take your bro out to party and he'll feel fine.
Reckful's friends need to be able to say that he was actually a pain in the ass otherwise they're going to end up with their own guilt problems. This happy clappy shit will make things worse for them.
It really is. And who would want to go inpatient knowing the covid risks and delays related to it. Dealt recently trying to help a client who went inpatient 72 hour hold turned into a week due to lack of staff to deal with making sure theu were safe to discharge.
One thing many dont know about bipolar is not everone has the bipolar you see on tv where its mega happy/neutral/mega sad. Some people their "neurtal" baseline is already in the depressed or manic state. There high or low may be what others consider neutral, but the extremes dip far below what normal depression or above what normal mania is for people.
This is why self-medication occurs. If you only feel "normal" when "manic" your gonna chase that normal state, same case if you only feel "normal" when "depressed".
Simple: Because it makes for a great excuse for when they do some bullshit, and so when they will do something idiotic they can use the nonexistent illness as a scapegoat.
Case in point, DSP (or almost any troon on any social media,really).
Much like Catholics (and especially Christians) like to blame Satan for whatever bad they did, especially their lack of self-discipline, like the evergreen "I cheated with my husband with men, animal and objects at least three times a day because I was tempted by Satan". Now, just switch "Tempted by Satan" with "My illness told me to do it". I heard both editions so many times by so many different peeps,lol.
Implying they won't call said doctor a racist bigot because they didn't diagnosed anything that they'd need. Aside from their severe lack of synapses,ofc.
It really is. And who would want to go inpatient knowing the covid risks and delays related to it. Dealt recently trying to help a client who went inpatient 72 hour hold turned into a week due to lack of staff to deal with making sure theu were safe to discharge.
One thing many dont know about bipolar is not everone has the bipolar you see on tv where its mega happy/neutral/mega sad. Some people their "neurtal" baseline is already in the depressed or manic state. There high or low may be what others consider neutral, but the extremes dip far below what normal depression or above what normal mania is for people.
This is why self-medication occurs. If you only feel "normal" when "manic" your gonna chase that normal state, same case if you only feel "normal" when "depressed".
If you ever saw him on stream he definitely had manic happy periods. It seems more like he had different friends for different periods which is why we hear different stories.
Apparently he tried to commit suicide a few days before by taking all his roommate's pills. Which raises the question why is he living with someone else who has their own problems? Then you start questioning why did he even rent a high rise apartment instead of a mansion near the other streamers? It's like he either never learned to remove temptation or put them there on purpose.
It seems like he was insufferable to be around,he used drugs all the time and didnt want any help. I watched four out of the five videos HealthyGamerGG did with him and the impression that I got is that he was low IQ,very immature for a 30 year old and that he didnt want to be helped.
I dont think its HealthyGamerGG fault that he killed himself,he was millonaire, he cloud have easily paid for the best pshycologist to help him and he cloud dedicate all of the time and resources in the world to fix his problems since he doesnt really need to work anymore. I think that at a certain point in life you need to realize how much of a mess you are and that no one wants a insufferable person around that talks all the time about how sad they are while doing nothing to fix it.
Dr K said once that society thinks that rich people are not allowed to have problems and how that is a toxic thing,but its not that they are not allowed to have problems,is that if you are a millonaire you can easily solve them.,at least much easier than someone grinding 8 to 5 for minimum wage.
As I said,I think that a certain age you need to man up,he had all the chances to do so since there were so many people trying to help him and he had all the time/money to do it,but staying in his room feeling sorry for himself was easier,very manchildish if you ask me.
How much do you have to hate-covet someone to propose to them with an audience there to pressure them into saying "yes" so they don't get made out to be a cunt? Now compound that with a retaliatory suicide right after in order to make them look like pure evil for not immediately going "OMG YAAASS!!!" Maybe some attention-hungry types would love the spotlight brought by a public proposal, but that shit is only even remotely acceptable if they've already made plans to get engaged soon. Shit's not romantic, it's manipulative.
I guess it just goes to show that streamers don't make very good friends. Who would have thunk it. At the end of the day it was his choice to do a flip. But ecelebs saying shit like "yea he is annoying to be around" and " mmm yea he doesn't want help, him doing a flip was gonna happen eventually", is just a cope. There is a whole list of things you can do to get them (and even mildly force them) to get the help. A real friend would have done that, and kept trying.
most people dont realize often that true friends are rares. The people that will literally help save you from the edge. The ones who will let you sleep on their couch even though the GF/wife disagree. The one who will take time off their work to actually come see if you are okay because they know you are acting strange.
The people he surrounded himself with were obviously not these. Not to excuse suicide, its inherently a very selfish thing and its hard and a shitty thing to impose on others your own faillings in life but true friendship is rare.
Not to powerlevel too much, but ive had my own bouts with suicide personally. I was and still am lucky to have 1 true friend who puts up with my shit and helped me get straight back.
Perpetually depressed friends are exhausting, no matter how much you love them. I can't blame his friends for thinking this was inevitable. Some people cannot be saved from themselves.
Tyler1 weighed in on this, and he claims that the people who were "friends" with Reckful knew he needed help and didn't do enough to help him. I assume he's alluding to other streamers that knew Reckful offline, like Destiny. It seems like this could be true given what Destiny said:
WoW players are selfish, not surprised. You can't get people to show up for a mythic plus or raid if it doesn't benefit them directly, of course they're going to neglect their friends with emotional baggage and leave them to sort it out themselves "as their own man." Not that LoL players are any better, but it's a fair call to make on the "so-called friends" IMO
one of my oldest friends developed schizophrenia when we started high school. he went from the class clown to the bleak and gloom guy that would always talk about depressing topics and wanting to debate weird shit like math problems being secret codes that controls the universe. we tried to talk him into taking the meds he needed but he stopped taking them and would have these crazy episodes. i can understand why Reckful friends ignored him since being friends with such a person is a full time commitment and we had our own issues we needed to deal with.
now, 10 years later, his a full on mess that wont even talk or look at me anymore when i sometimes pass him on the street. ironic since we used to joke who would become the hobo of the community when we were grew up.
co mon. you talked with the guy once and now you crying that his dead? you can be sad and pity him but cry infront of a camera for everyone to see just screams attention whore to me.
) teenagers do by saying "Oh guess ill kill myself then". You enable people to seek help, as Dr K pointed out, by listening and validating their thoughts. I can see how that's immensely difficult if Byron is high on drugs and shrooms around the clock, and always expressing this fake happiness most of us only experience briefly at the top of an alcoholic buzz or whatever. It'd be fucking annoying to be around on a daily basis.
