Worst Case of Historical Revisionism?

American Revolution gets revised a lot, at least here. The Founding Fathers and the Continental Army's leaders were a bunch of corrupt assholes who did some really questionable shit, and George and the Brits weren't nearly as tyrannical as we like to pretend they were.
 
The idea that Achilles and Patroclus were lovers. You see this shit all over reddit and tumblr and even sometimes in irl and its unbelievably frustrating to see alphabet degnerates try to rewrite history to retroactively justify their fetishes.

In the original text of Illiad, there's not a single mention of achilles and patroclus being lovers. A text so detailed and it was used by Heinrich Schliemann to find the real life location of troy. I see people say in one breath "Ancient greece was alphabet paradise!" and the other say "Homer left their relationship out due to prejudice." Both of these are bullshit, he didn't include it because its not a thing.

But even ignoring that, Achilles fell in love with Deidamia and had Neoptolemus as a son and in some versions was so madly in love that he raped her.

The only reason Achilles wanted to withdraw from the war in the first place is because Agamemnon dishonored him by demanding he hand over his concubine (Briseis) to him. Why the fuck would he even need a concubine if his "lover" was literally in the same tent?

Ontop of that after patroclus died, Achilles coped by falling in love with and marrying a Trojan princess called Polyxena and in some versions died because he shared his heel secret with her which is how the trojans found out about it.

And finally, as per the Argonautica AND Hesiod, Medea and Achilles were married in the Elysian fields and rule toogether over the black sea on the white isle over other dead heroes.

ONTOP of ALL that, Patroclus was older than Achilles and Achilles was a demigod. No matter which way you slice it them being lovers is either hubris against your elders or hubris against the gods.

Achilles isn't gay and he isn't "bi", and while we're at it no, ancient greece isn't a gay paradise. Teachers would have intercrural sex with students a practice which was controvertial even at the time.

Masters would occasionally rape slaves and being penetrated was dishonorable, relationships between adult men were also inconceivable.


If anyone tells you achilles and patroclus were a couple they're full of shit regurgitating tumblr tier (literally) revisionism.
Wasn’t Greek homosex something of a Classical innovation that came along after the Chad superstraight Mycenaeans?
 
Irrelevant. The epic cycle is the most culturally and historically significant collection of texts in all of western literature.

Revisionism of the illiad is just as awful (if not worse due to the affomentioned significance) as all other types of historical revisionism.

Gilgamesh isn't real but revising his epic to claim he was a black trans woman all along is equally attrocious.
No, the most culturally and historically significant collection of texts in all of western literature are the Bible and Plato's writings.
 
THAT Lincoln, the man who made Trump look like a respecter of his critics, the man would be considered horrifically racist by today's standards, is so far away from the "Great Emancipator" Lincoln presented in the modern narrative, its absurd. The whitewashing of Lincoln is imo one of the best examples of revisionism in American history.

Like I said, I'm not a lost causer and the Confederacy had plenty of grounds for crticism, to put it mildly. That doesn't justify Lincoln being deified and protrayed in popular consciousness as a figure that he never was in reality.
I'm a "lost causer" myself, as in I'd have supported the CSA and admire Jefferson Davis, but even with that aside, I think it's objectively true that the main role of the Emancipation Proclamation wasn't freeing slaves, something a lot of the Union's leadership admitted they didn't care too much about, but about stating the war's goal as the liberation of Southern slaves as a political maneuver to keep Britain and France from intervening on the Confederate side, since any direct involvement would from then on be a direct condoning of slavery to the rest of the world at the time. Not that I'm saying ending slavery was bad or something, but it's almost never mentioned how diplomatically-motivated the act was, and instead it's used to portray Lincoln, the man who said whites and blacks would never be equal, as a kindly saint. At most you'll get "oh, and it also discouraged European intervention, so that was an extra bonus!" as if it wasn't the main point.
 
The idea that the ACW was revolutionary in the field of war-fighting. That it announced the beginning of trench warfare and was a kind of proto-ww1. That europeans did not learn the lessons from that war.
The european military attaches in america correctly observed that the american forces at the beginning of the war were badly equipped, badly trained and badly led. Just a few years later, the franco prussian war would see more men mobilized in a smaller theatre of war with a better application of modern tech and it resulted in a quick, maneuvre-based warfare.

Second, the two weapons that made trench warfare a possibility did not exist during the ACW. These are the indirect firing, long range artillery piece and the machine gun.

The ACW was bloody, but this was because most of the generals were napoleon-boos who thought élan and massed charges were a great idea.
 
The idea that the ACW was revolutionary in the field of war-fighting. That it announced the beginning of trench warfare and was a kind of proto-ww1. That europeans did not learn the lessons from that war.
The european military attaches in america correctly observed that the american forces at the beginning of the war were badly equipped, badly trained and badly led. Just a few years later, the franco prussian war would see more men mobilized in a smaller theatre of war with a better application of modern tech and it resulted in a quick, maneuvre-based warfare.

Second, the two weapons that made trench warfare a possibility did not exist during the ACW. These are the indirect firing, long range artillery piece and the machine gun.

The ACW was bloody, but this was because most of the generals were napoleon-boos who thought élan and massed charges were a great idea.
If I remember right, some European observers compared the Union and Confederate armies to actors in a play about war rather than soldiers, basically second-rate imitators of European tactics. The ACW definitely saw some military innovations, but its importance gets overstated a lot, and in terms of conventional warfare and army organization, we were still way behind the other world powers at the time, and still were until about 1942.
 
A list of (IMO) more historical revisions and misconceptions. I can go into more detail in my opinion if anyone is interested.

WW1 Happened for stupid reasons.
Many people believe WW1 was an unreasonable and easily avoidable conflict, especially compared to the more “black and white” morality of WW2. However the European powers of the early 1900s had a perfect reason to be at each other’s throats—the mutual threat they posed to each other.

France was terrified of Germany, because Germany was bigger and shared a land border so they allied with Russia, which Germany was terrified of just as the French were of them. The ottomans were threatened by the Russians, which drove elements of their government to the central powers camp. England (which lived and died by its navy as an island nation) felt threatened by Germany’s attempt to compete with then at sea, and was ready to back anyone anti-German to reduce the prospect of a reverse Trafalgar. Europe was split between 7 big countries who were all independent of each other and had the capability to throw millions of men at each other so naturally the prospect of a power struggle was everyone’s primary concern. If you didn’t make military alliances or mobilize before your enemies you ran the risk of having enemy troops in your capital in a month. Europe was full of tension for years before WW1, with the Balkan wars, anger over German and Russian victories in past wars, and the scramble for Europe. Once the mobilization started in 1914 a domino effect occurred with all the major powers trying to pre-emptivley mobilize and attack each other while most of the leaders didn’t actually want war. It’s a consequence of a multi-polar world which we can return to if/when the US isn’t the sole hegemon anymore.

Blitzkrieg was a radically original strategy:
Yes and no. Germany’s use of tanks and motorized units for maneuver warfare, combined with successful use of air support was very organic, decisively defeating Polish, French and Russian armies, but many armies were developing mobile warfare doctrines in the interwar period at least to some degree—they largely failed to implement it instead of being too dumb to entertain the prospect. The Red army developed “deep battle” doctrine in the inter war period which called for heavy use of mobile units to exploit the enemy rear and decisively collapse their line, but many of the generals who developed it got purged and they were in no shape to do it in the early years of WW2. Even in Germany itself most of what noob historians call “blitzkrieg” was based on pre-ww1 Prussian maneuver warfare doctrine designed to win tactical victories on the (mostly) flat lands of Central Europe.

The 13 Colonies were badass during the American Revolutionary War:
Obviously this is mostly from the US educational system. While the revolution was impressive in that it managed to keep going despite the problems it had and made one of the richest nations in the world give up, the Redcoats had a lot of disadvantages which makes American victory less impressive. Britain, unlike the revolutionaries, had to ship men, supplies and information across the Atlantic before the time when sailing technology reached its height. The British government was in a gridlock, and their army wasn’t in the best state either. It goes without saying that the colonists had a huge home field advantage. Britain also wasnt trying to fight a total war so instead of throwing in everything they had they retreated/agrees to peace when it got too expensive for them.

Tsarist Russia Deserved the Bolsheviks
Tsarist Russia had a lot of problems but it had good qualities as well. Many of its people lived as miserable peasants, but it saw successful industrialization in some of its core regions, and was able to compete with the Western Europeans in many fields. Around 1900 IIRC they had the 3rd largest navy (on paper at least) despite being an almost landlocked country. It was also a huge source of culture, and had high birth and industrialization rates before WW1 and 1917. Instead of taking a nuanced view on Imperial Russia people try to depict it as a cartoonishly corrupt and backwater region, often making the communists look more agreeable.


The idea that the ACW was revolutionary in the field of war-fighting. That it announced the beginning of trench warfare and was a kind of proto-ww1. That europeans did not learn the lessons from that war.
The european military attaches in america correctly observed that the american forces at the beginning of the war were badly equipped, badly trained and badly led. Just a few years later, the franco prussian war would see more men mobilized in a smaller theatre of war with a better application of modern tech and it resulted in a quick, maneuvre-based warfare.

Second, the two weapons that made trench warfare a possibility did not exist during the ACW. These are the indirect firing, long range artillery piece and the machine gun.

The ACW was bloody, but this was because most of the generals were napoleon-boos who thought élan and massed charges were a great idea.
Im inclined to disagree. ACW wasn’t radically different from previous wars, but it was a precursor of things to come. You do have a point in the Franco-Prussian war validating a lot of European ideas, but I think WW1 could’ve been less painful if more of the European advisors sent there took more notice of how much more lethal rifles had become instead of thinking that French bravery or Prussian tactical genius would make them exempt from situations like the siege of Petersburg.

Everyone who appeased Hitler should burn in hell with him.
Appeasement policies were generally poor ideas because of the 48 laws of power and Hitler being a geopolitical pitbull, but considering the time it’s easy to understand why England didn’t immediately declare war on Germany in the name of democracy. Many found it reasonable Germany would stop after regaining what they lost after WW1. Hitler actually had some international clout before tensions rose. Most of all people were terrified of another European war after how horrible WW1 had been, and wanted to avoid it if at all possible. Once Germany broke the Munich agreement and took all of Czechoslovakia the future allies realized it wasn’t going to work and began preparing for fight Germany instead of begging them to stop.
 
American Revolution gets revised a lot, at least here. The Founding Fathers and the Continental Army's leaders were a bunch of corrupt assholes who did some really questionable shit, and George and the Brits weren't nearly as tyrannical as we like to pretend they were.
Brits were mostly incompetent and failed to recognize that their partial reliance on local militiamen during the preceding french and indian war only buoyed the colonials spirit of self reliance and independence from a mother country where they had no parliamentary representation.
When the later punitive acts were passed to punish the bostonian asbos while also failing to take decisive action against the most antisocial of their number they made revolution an inevitability.

If only there was some clever italian chap who could've explained the importance of interdependence and how vulnerable their position was.
 
Brits were mostly incompetent and failed to recognize that their partial reliance on local militiamen during the preceding french and indian war only buoyed the colonials spirit of self reliance and independence from a mother country where they had no parliamentary representation.
When the later punitive acts were passed to punish the bostonian asbos while also failing to take decisive action against the most antisocial of their number they made revolution an inevitability.

If only there was some clever italian chap who could've explained the importance of interdependence and how vulnerable their position was.
Definitely the Brits could've done better, but what's most often portrayed as "brave freedom fighters rebelling against cruel tyrannical overlords" was much more like "the colonial administration is incompetent, the regular colonists feel neglected, and the elite colonists take advantage of the situation."
 
Definitely the Brits could've done better, but what's most often portrayed as "brave freedom fighters rebelling against cruel tyrannical overlords" was much more like "the colonial administration is incompetent, the regular colonists feel neglected, and the elite colonists take advantage of the situation."
Oh absolutely. A diplomatic settlement would have been far better than the tragedy of a brother war (and subsequent conflicts) not to mention getting the fucking french involved.
 
@Chingis Khan

In response (late) to your argument, is it possible you're talking more about the Caribbean market? Because I've read some on the American market for indentured servants and most of those people weren't Irish (though I get why you focused on that, the Irish slaves thing) in the first place and certainly most of them survived the experience, generally into freedom too.

 
Lots of Europeans already think Americans are douchey for playing up the American Revolution as a hugely important event over the French Revolution and ignoring long European heritages of republicanism, but apparently Americans are ALSO douchey for ignoring the long history of colonial independence movements in Latin America BEFORE the American Revolution.

Apparently (because I only learned this recently) the Spanish Empire had big problems with uppity encomenderos who felt that they owned their land more than the Crown (because the encomenderos WERE the conquistadors and their descendants). Very little feeling of loyalty, when the Crown would threaten their right to exploit Indians they'd flip out and either threaten to secede but get purged over it (New Spain, mid-1500s), or actually for real secede and then get put down (Peru, mid-1500s).

Blew my mind that there were, in the first generations, already serious attempts at colonial revolt. It's just that these were revolts of the elite and they didn't work out.
 
Treating the confederate generals like shit despite their previous dutiful service to the Union but playing up Sherman as some kind of martyr for burning Atlanta.
I think those people should be required to sit down and watch reunions of Civil War vets at battlefields like Gettysburg. There are no enemies or Union troops singing Union Dixie as they harass the southerners as racist slave owners, just old veterans of an old war who shared more in common with each other than anyone else could. It's why my biggest gripe with Confederate statue and memorial demolition is when it is to the common soldier, or a class of soldiers form a university. Those men did nothing to deserve villainization other than fighting for the side that conscripted them or told them it was their duty due to tyranny of the federal government or something,

 
The idea that Achilles and Patroclus were lovers. You see this shit all over reddit and tumblr and even sometimes in irl and its unbelievably frustrating to see alphabet degnerates try to rewrite history to retroactively justify their fetishes.

In the original text of Illiad, there's not a single mention of achilles and patroclus being lovers. A text so detailed and it was used by Heinrich Schliemann to find the real life location of troy. I see people say in one breath "Ancient greece was alphabet paradise!" and the other say "Homer left their relationship out due to prejudice." Both of these are bullshit, he didn't include it because its not a thing.

But even ignoring that, Achilles fell in love with Deidamia and had Neoptolemus as a son and in some versions was so madly in love that he raped her.

The only reason Achilles wanted to withdraw from the war in the first place is because Agamemnon dishonored him by demanding he hand over his concubine (Briseis) to him. Why the fuck would he even need a concubine if his "lover" was literally in the same tent?

Ontop of that after patroclus died, Achilles coped by falling in love with and marrying a Trojan princess called Polyxena and in some versions died because he shared his heel secret with her which is how the trojans found out about it.

And finally, as per the Argonautica AND Hesiod, Medea and Achilles were married in the Elysian fields and rule toogether over the black sea on the white isle over other dead heroes.

ONTOP of ALL that, Patroclus was older than Achilles and Achilles was a demigod. No matter which way you slice it them being lovers is either hubris against your elders or hubris against the gods.

Achilles isn't gay and he isn't "bi", and while we're at it no, ancient greece isn't a gay paradise. Teachers would have intercrural sex with students a practice which was controvertial even at the time.

Masters would occasionally rape slaves and being penetrated was dishonorable, relationships between adult men were also inconceivable.


If anyone tells you achilles and patroclus were a couple they're full of shit regurgitating tumblr tier (literally) revisionism.
A lot of "Ancient greece was an alphabet paradise" revisionism started with Oscar Wilde, who peddled that myth hard.
 
Genetic revisionism. One example is the reconstructions of cheddar man in the uk having very dark skin. This is one of those things that has become self referencing in the literature but there’s no solid evidence for it at all.
Background: they found a human skeleton in cheddar gorge in the uk and it’s almost ten thousand years old (9100 or something.) When they examined it’s DNA, they also looked at the DNA of the locals who had a provable long family history of living there for a TV project, and found, to their astonishment (and clear annoyance) that a bloke who lived up the road was an almost exact match at the loci they looked at.
Why annoyance? Well someone previously talked about the ‘nation of immigrants’ thing that’s constantly pushed on the brits, and this directly contradicts that. It implies that there have been groups living in Britain for thousands of years, rather than us all being only a mix of people washing up in our shores.
To make it worse, they did a facial reconstruction of the skeleton and made it very dark skinned. Blue eyes but extremely dark and with a wider nose than the skull really has. There’s no real solid evidence for that skin colour - it’s a guess, and their justification for it genetically was sketchy.
This has now been reference in the literature so many times that people now say it’s proven that early western hunter gatherers were almost black, but there is NO solid or conclusive evidence of this at all. We can’t tell what their skin colour was, it’s not like eyes where you can have a very accurate guess, or you can see clear phenotype/skin correlation ;eg African type skull shape is almost totally certain to be dark.) it’s a piece of revisionism that’s always bothered me because it’s a twisting of the field I work in.
See also: Tarim basin mummies. Tall, over six foot, pale skin, red or blonde hair, skull features not entirely western modern but a strong mix of western/eastern and the wool in their clothes is from sheep with Western European dna. These mummies are memoryholed by china becasue they destroy the idea that the Han have been in charge forever.
It makes me very much more open to thinking that very little of our history is accurate. All of it is spin in some way.
 
Hitler's big advantage early on was that he was the only guy at the table willing to put in all his chips. This worked out for him like it works out for many other reckless, compulsive gamblers - briefly raking it in before destroying himself and those around him.

Alt right self-pity is pathetic. The "white genocide" meme is pure self-pity.

I oppose race hatred, including race hatred against whites, which is somehow excused by the mainstream media and the cool kids these days, with all kinds of circular and false takes about how white people can be talked about in barbaric generalities because they have been so uniquely bad in history, or are all "in power."

But being bullied or shamed for being white, while bad, is not "genocide." Calling it "genocide" functions as an excuse not to do anything productive in response to it, i.e. rallying fellow citizens of all colors to oppose this stuff.

By the way the white population is not "shrinking" in the US. It merely appears to be shrinking because Levantine Americans, mixed Hispanics, some Jews, and other people the alt right would not consider to be white are no longer identifying as white because it is not advantageous anymore.
My favorite kind of historical revisionism is when wignats pretend that Ancient Greeks and Romans somehow count as “white”, and that they always thought Germans, Irish, Slavs, and Italians are white. It’s amusing to see them pick and choose and pretend Cyrus the Great was white or that Caesar was somehow the same race as the Gauls and the Germans.

My least favorite kind of historical revisionism is when Democrats act like theirs has always been the party most interested in advancing civil rights for black people, when it was actually the party of southern whites who wanted to keep Jim Crow in place. That wasn’t very long ago but they really don’t want to remember.
 
My least favorite kind of historical revisionism is when Democrats act like theirs has always been the party most interested in advancing civil rights for black people, when it was actually the party of southern whites who wanted to keep Jim Crow in place. That wasn’t very long ago but they really don’t want to remember.
I've never seen this as anything other than a strawman. I'm sure there's tons of rank-and-file who out of just ignorance aren't aware of their history but I've never seen an educated Democrat fail to draw a distinction between 1860s Democrats and modern Democrats, where I do see lots of mainstream Republicans mindlessly worship all Republican party politicans.
 
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