Would you rather be stuck in a forest with a bear or a man? - aka Debate user doodoocaca on the validity of rape victims

[Overly Serious]

whilst women do because they are taught from a young age that they can be targeted.

I don't wholly disagree with your post. I made a similar point earlier with clip of the dude being asked the same question about his daughter. It's a way of bypassing this difference and subjecting a dude to the same threat feeling that he wouldn't otherwise get. But my point in that was to show how fear makes one irrational. The part of your post I quote above is to do with the point of the thread - it's not that people think women don't have to consider their safety, it's that they're being over-taught that men are a threat to the point that many consider a bear less a threat than some random abstract dude.

And to highlight that irrationality, I also posited (and others reached the same thought) that if you modified the question to be something like "or a Black man", many of those same women would switch their answers right around. Despite there being no logical basis to do so.

So as I said it's not that I wholly disagree with your point but respectfully I think maybe you have missed the point of people's comments here. It's that the man-hate has reached such a level of irrationality.

I'm also going to question one of the assumptions at work here. Which is that women are more in danger from another man than a man is. Of rape? Certainly. Less able to defend herself? In the majority of cases. No argument there. But most violent interactions that lead to injury are between young men. Most homicides are men killing men. A woman walking down a street might get called out to. A man is unlikely to walk up to her and punch her or try to start a fight. But that's happened to me multiple times in my life simply because I'm a man. In clubs, too. Are we suggesting that someone grabbing your ass in a nightclub is worse than someone punching you?

 

[Fougaro]

Is there any animal left that white women won't fuck?

 

[Iron Jaguar]

BTW, it is very typical of their solipsistic nature that women are literally unable to recognise that the largest group in danger from men is in fact other men. - Men kill men far more often than they kill women.

 

[Whitney Houston On Crack]

I can kill a man with my bare hands, if need be. If a bear wants to eat me, I'm fucked.

Women are extremely stupid. They can kick the man in the balls, crush his skull with a rock, or pretend to be into him and bite his dick off, while he is expecting a blowjob.

A hungry bear ain't jobbing to the hoes, brother.

 

[doodoocaca]

You are all completely missing the point of this question, yet the responses some of you give simultaneously prove its point.

Women have to think about this question because men can be dangerous. Same with bears. There is a good chance the man is fine, more so than the bear won’t attack you, but men still have that capacity to inflict horrific violence onto women, anything from rape, torture, or murder. If you asked a man if he would rather be alone in a forest with a woman or a bear, all men would say “women”. Men don’t have to ponder the question, whilst women do because they are taught from a young age that they can be targeted.

Ask a man if he would rather stumble on a bear, another man lost in the woods, or a woman with a habit of bullshit accusations lost in the woods.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

Ask a man if he would rather stumble on a bear, another man lost in the woods, or a woman with a habit of bullshit accusations lost in the woods.

That's a tougher question than it seems because overall men are more likely to be killed by another man than a woman is likely to be killed by a man. Between being dead and being falsely accused of rape or something similar, the woman is a better choice.

If there isn't some disparity that prevents me from defending myself effectively if it turns out to be a dangerous situation, (e.g. he has a knife or gun and I don't), a man 100% of the time.

 

[doodoocaca]

That's a tougher question than it seems because overall men are more likely to be killed by another man than a woman is likely to be killed by a man. Between being dead and being falsely accused of rape or something similar, the woman is a better choice.

If there isn't some disparity that prevents me from defending myself effectively if it turns out to be a dangerous situation, (e.g. he has a knife or gun and I don't), a man 100% of the time.

I live in an outdoor state and I regularly cross paths with men with guns and I’m not worried at all about them. I also sometimes go past people skinning and butchering deer hanging from a tree and it’s honestly funny taking city people past them. I should carry cash and ask for venison next time.

I’m worried about bums and crack heads, the people that totally aren’t dangerous you just have not been in a big city you red state country bumpkin comma, to quote the bear choosing idiots. The people who shoot up downtown tea shops and shit on the floor until everyone quits and customers stop showing up. The thieves and harassers. The people who harass and steal and do drugs on the bus and the train.

Random men in the woods aren’t dangerous because idiots don’t actually go off into the woods in the first place because they’re almost certainly drug addled faggots. Hikers and hunters are generally high effort achievers trying to get a break from this fucked society, and the people who actually live out there want to be left alone.

Should he stumble on a city woman who got lost, if one choose to intervene what risks would a man be taking with her? That mouth can kill and run lives.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

Random men in the woods aren’t dangerous because idiots don’t actually go off into the woods in the first place because they’re almost certainly drug addled faggots. Hikers and hunters are generally high effort achievers trying to get a break from this fucked society, and the people who actually live out there want to be left alone.

I agree, it's really a situational thing. I'd be way more concerned about being accidentally shot by a hunter than being attacked by a criminal in the forests just south of where I live. That also keeps the black bears manageable, they're important to the ecosystem but can be a danger to humans, pets, farm dogs, and livestock and need to be kept in reasonable check to benefit everyone.

Hell, being run over by an Amish buggy is a bigger risk. Those dudes have some serious horsepower around here.

It's a different story if it's somewhere like the wooded parts of the US-Mexico border where there is serious danger from encountering illegals or cartel drug traffickers.

 

[doodoocaca]

I agree, it's really a situational thing. I'd be way more concerned about being accidentally shot by a hunter than being attacked by a criminal in the forests just south of where I live. That also keeps the black bears manageable, they're important to the ecosystem but can be a danger to humans, pets, farm dogs, and livestock and need to be kept in reasonable check to benefit everyone.

Hell, being run over by an Amish buggy is a bigger risk. Those dudes have some serious horsepower around here.

It's a different story if it's somewhere like the wooded parts of the US-Mexico border where there is serious danger from encountering illegals or cartel drug traffickers.

But you can’t say brown men are dangerous so you say “men” are and wonder why people think you’re stupid if you say that.

Meanwhile the cops you call are men and the people censoring social media or firing you if canceled are men.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

But you can’t say brown men are dangerous so you say “men” are and wonder why people think you’re stupid if you say that.

Exactly. If it's some black guy (or white) that looks straight outta' Compton, I assume he's trouble by default. If he looks like Miles Dyson from T2 or a couple of Mormon missionaries, not so much.

That's not racist and it's bullshit hearing people play those games. It's judging them on the content of their character represented by what they're wearing. I wouldn't feel the same way if he was wearing work overalls and carrying a Thermos.

Meanwhile the cops you call are men and the people censoring social media or firing you if canceled are men.

Men are apparently God when you need them and the devil when you don't.

 

[Minus One]

I wonder if some of the answers would change if it was specified it was a mama bear with cubs.

 

[doodoocaca]

I would really love to take a bunch of suburbanite or urban idiots of both sexes into "the woods" and show them just how stupid this entire ordeal is.

Ideally I'd do this somewhere where woods are near a shitty failing city. Yanno, go to an actual national park, a "deep woods", then, say, Kensington station?

Might be doable in Pennsylvania, Philly is right there, but eastern black bears are gigantic fucking pussies if you so much as yell, clap, or stomp. Another thing these faggots wouldn't know.

What about going further West? Denver's got drugs and bums and crime like fuck now, and the Rockies are only few hours drive away.

I wonder if some of the answers would change if it was specified it was a mama bear with cubs.

I finally have an excuse to post this shit lmao.

 

[MsFrancisFoster]

Hell, being run over by an Amish buggy is a bigger risk. Those dudes have some serious horsepower around here.

Just responding to this cause it made me laugh. I got clipped by a buggy that was also going down the same dirt road as me once. The dude did stop his buggy and check to make sure I was alright, and I was, but I got left with a nasty bruise for a bit. Hurt like hell.

I did ponder this question more and I still came to the conclusion that I'd choose the man. Even if you skew the odds of the man being almost 100 percent likely to be a rapist/murderer. My response is simply the fact you have a better chance at killing the dude, period.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I wonder if some of the answers would change if it was specified it was a mama bear with cubs.

Fun story about mama bears. They won't kill you but instead drag you back to the cubs so they can practice on a live target. You will quite literally be eaten alive over a period of minutes/hours.

 

[Android raptor]

whomp there it is

 

[Richard_Wetpasta]

Honestly this entire trend is a symptom of our culture's deeply broken nature. Man or woman, America and western culture as a whole have deeply reinforced distrust of your fellow human; and instilled fear of unpredictability/strangers.

I feel like in some regards this is the endproduct of the 80s/90s stranger danger paranoia mixed with current day sexist rhetoric. Its basically the poisoned m&m in the bowl of m&ms rationale reworded.

A bear you're going to avoid regardless because its a fucking bear. It wants to eat you or your food. In that regard bears are predictable.

Youre going to avoid all strangers in the woods also because bro if someones coming up to you in the woods the immediate question with the previous rationale is "why are you here."

 

[doodoocaca]

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whomp there it is

That cites no sources, and the secondary source of bear.org is stupid.

 

[Peepeepoopoo Witch]

My sister says she would pick the bear. Feels bad man.

 

[Nigga_Moment]

Chicks are really imagining some human centipede scenario if they choose the man

 

[Android raptor]

That cites no sources, and the secondary source of bear.org is stupid.

I'd say an article on the site of a bear sanctuary written by someone with a PhD and decades of experience studying bears is a pretty reliable source.

I'm sure you can email them if you want more info.

My sister says she would pick the bear. Feels bad man.

Your sister is smart.