Would you rather be stuck in a forest with a bear or a man? - aka Debate user doodoocaca on the validity of rape victims

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

You continue speaking from ignorance. Let me elucidate for you:

Us survivors are actually pretty good about not making blanket statements about even staff, and try to call out people who do that. Why is it these "I or my friend was totally (almost) raped!" types engage in it?



With biases that lean the way you want them to, yes.



>With women

I know I won't get through to you, at least not publicly, but do you not realize how you come across to everyone who isn't up the same asshole you are?

Survivors want to be believed and listened to, they don't blame every fucking person who was ever remotely like the person who hurt them. This has been my experience for a very long time.

You, on the other hand, are engaged in political theater and attention seeking and drama generation.

Name one political thing I’ve said in this thread. One.

 

[doodoocaca]

Name one political thing I’ve said in this thread. One.

 

[Android raptor]

Pretty sure no one here has tried to claim all men are dangerous. The issue is its impossible to tell what men are and aren't dangerous at glance.

 

[National Defense Advocate]

Women are hyperbolic and dramatic creatures. They don't ACTUALLY mean they choose death, despite them saying otherwise.

“We know the bear means death. We choose death.” No you don’t. Not really. You’re a histrionic and hysterical woman who wants to pretend like she’s super afraid of men to make a point. None of you choose the bear, you prove that with your actions everyday.

You can trash can react all day, doesn't change the fact I'm right and you know it.

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

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Two of the links are from organizations that help victims of sexual violence and one, again, is a research paper with statistical breakdowns. I didn’t link a single thing that got politics involved.

 

[Inside your walls]

Women are hyperbolic and dramatic creatures. They don't ACTUALLY mean they choose death, despite them saying otherwise.

“We know the bear means death. We choose death.” No you don’t. Not really. You’re a histrionic and hysterical woman who wants to pretend like she’s super afraid of men to make a point. None of you choose the bear, you prove that with your actions everyday.

You can trash can react all day, doesn't change the fact I'm right and you know it.

Yeah women are so dramatic and emotionally unstable, that's why we have almost 10 pages of men seething, fantasizing about women getting mauled by a bear and trying to insert darkies into this debate somehow, because they picked the bear instead of a man.

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

See, this is why I question the value of women's suffrage. Here we have on full display, the majority of women doubling down on something so utterly illogical and clearly emotionally driven, even after having the shit explained to them.

This explains why they vote the way they do. If the facts ever conflict with their feelings, they choose to ignore the facts.

Anyway, as a compromise I think we just have everyone answer questions like this when they cast their ballots in elections, and if you fail the retard test we just don't count the vote. Sort of like re-captcha, but for retarded voters instead of spambots.

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

Yeah women are so dramatic and emotionally unstable, that's why we have almost 10 pages of men seething, fantasizing about women getting mauled by a bear and trying to insert darkies into this debate somehow, because they picked the bear instead of a man.

Not just 10+ pages, but also an article linked in A&N with 100+ responses and another thread asking men if they’d rather encounter a bear or a white woman that was created after other users started debating them about their shit takes.

These retards are that fucking butthurt.

 

[doodoocaca]

@Cherry Eyed Hamster

No politics here?


Rainn literally said The Keystone Pipeline would lead to Rape



Curiously that Buzzfeed (lol) article says "Research has also shown sexual assault is usually committed by serial offenders rather than perpetrators committing the crime just once" but it's still political and hilariously retarded to say that pipeline workers are going to just go around raping.

NSVRC just cited the CDC's statistics. There are problems with that. Also, somehow, this rebuttal care of Time actually addresses that we really don't give a shit about kids or males:

Richard Felson and Patrick Cundiff report in a fascinating recent analysis, a 15-year-old male is considerably more likely to be sexually assaulted than a woman over 40.

While I would not talk about analyzing this shit as fascinating, it is pretty telling that you'd carry water for an adult woman and not even mention kids unless it helps puff up your own sense of self as a potential victim.

Finally, an actual study! https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5756135/

Wait, what?

...interest cues increase perceptions of sexual interest...

WOW!!!

Not just 10+ pages, but also an article linked in A&N with 100+ responses and another thread asking men if they’d rather encounter a bear or a white woman that was created after other users started debating them about their shit takes.

These retards are that fucking butthurt.

If it's a woman like you I'd take the fucking bear, god only knows the yarns you'd spin or just how shrill or annoying you'd be trying to lead you out of the woods.

 

[Jimjamflimflam]

Pretty sure no one here has tried to claim all men are dangerous. The issue is its impossible to tell what men are and aren't dangerous at glance.

That's exactly why we don't want faggots teaching kids. Never know which one is the groomer (hint. Almost all of them)

 

[doodoocaca]

That's exactly why we don't want faggots teaching kids. Never know which one is the groomer (hint. Almost all of them)

Aren't the risks well fucking known here, just buried?

Actually, going by that study I just stumbled on:

Our evidence supported the hypothesis (H1) that rates of
homosexual assault by male offenders are at least as high as rates
ofheterosexualassault. In fact,they suggested thatthe frequency
of homosexual assaults was higher than one would expect given
estimates of the number of homosexual men.

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

No politics here?
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Rainn literally said The Keystone Pipeline would lead to Rape
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Curiously that Buzzfeed (lol) article says "Research has also shown sexual assault is usually committed by serial offenders rather than perpetrators committing the crime just once" but it's still political and hilariously retarded to say that pipeline workers are going to just go around raping.

NSVRC just cited the CDC's statistics. There are problems with that. Also, somehow, this rebuttal care of Time actually addresses that we really don't give a shit about kids or males:

I never said male children aren’t raped. I believe that male children are raped more than 40 year old women because most rapes towards women happen when they are 12-34. Also I have worked with male and female assault survivors and it’s awful for both sexes. I don’t understand how this is supposed to “own” me.

While I would not talk about analyzing this shit as fascinating, it is pretty telling that you'd carry water for an adult woman and not even mention kids unless it helps puff up your own sense of self as a potential victim.

I read your horseshit links that rape stats are overinflated. One was literally a post about how bad radical feminism is, the second was a personal blog that had hundreds of responses calling the author out on his bullshit, and the third was a libertarian blog.

Also the study I linked still supports what I’ve been trying to get across and yet you still try to extrapolate from it that women exaggerate rape statistics. Fucking wow.

 

[doodoocaca]

Also the study I linked still supports what I’ve been trying to get across and yet you still try to extrapolate from it that women exaggerate rape statistics. Fucking wow.

Rainn literally came out against the Keystone pipeline saying the construction workers would rape all the native women and you have what to say about that?

That Canadian source immediately leapt into politicized victimization and gendershit and you have what to say?

The single study you linked was about interpreting a fucking story and then the authors doing "sociology" on the interpretation of interest cues, and you act like this is some slam dunk?

 

[Otterly]

Ideally a woman is not out alone in the forest but is with a husband, or a brother or her father.

Personally I value solitude and I value nature. I very much like being in the woods alone and I do it often.
I would hate to live in a world like Saudi where I have to have a male guardian everywhere with me. There’s no bears in Scottish woods, but there are (as well as boar, lynx and wolves) in places I’ve camped and trekked alone. I accepted the risk and spoke to people who knew the area before I did to understand the dos and don’ts. the risks of animals are always there, just like the risks of the cold and exposure. If I was regularly in grizzly territory I’d be armed, and I’d be aware and very careful, because bears can kill.
I think if you asked this question in the kind of circles where people camp, hike and do ‘stuff in nature’ you’d get a very different response to asking it in an urban area. There’s so little wild places left, let’s not lock the women up who want to be outside and are capable of spending a week or two on a trail alone.

Some of the most challenging and enjoyable days of my life have been spent alone in the hills, or in nature. I would never give that up, not while I am physically capable of doing so

 

[doodoocaca]

Personally I value solitude and I value nature. I very much like being in the woods alone and I do it often.
I would hate to live in a world like Saudi where I have to have a male guardian everywhere with me. There’s no bears in Scottish woods, but there are (as well as boar, lynx and wolves) in places I’ve camped and trekked alone. I accepted the risk and spoke to people who knew the area before I did to understand the dos and don’ts. the risks of animals are always there, just like the risks of the cold and exposure. If I was regularly in grizzly territory I’d be armed, and I’d be aware and very careful, because bears can kill.
I think if you asked this question in the kind of circles where people camp, hike and do ‘stuff in nature’ you’d get a very different response to asking it in an urban area. There’s so little wild places left, let’s not lock the women up who want to be outside and are capable of spending a week or two on a trail alone.

Some of the most challenging and enjoyable days of my life have been spent alone in the hills, or in nature. I would never give that up, not while I am physically capable of doing so

Funny how autistic, rational women are such a far cry from wagon circling basic bitches politicizing potential victimhood.

Meanwhile, for 20 years, talking about what people have gone through, even just focusing on female victims because I knew the way shit was, people don't want to engage with real victims of real shit, it's too much, they don't like it.

Not one program survivor pulls drama games like this. This shit cranked to 20 is what the program was like, they don't do this shit.

 

[Norbert the Tiger]

Personally I value solitude

Your point stands but in the abstract the overwhelming number of good men allow for society to exist at a level where women can do that. So in that sense even if you or other women enjoy solitude, the good men that protect against bad men are still very much in the background, or even the foreground.
I'm not sure it is a good idea for women to camp alone or in groups except in high trust socities, which cannot exist without "patriarchy," homogeneity , etc.

 

[AgendaPoster]

I wanna feed to the local bears everyone involved in this drama.
Oh yeah.
Cuddly. Totally worth it to trigger the moids.

 

[doodoocaca]

Your point stands but in the abstract the overwhelming number of good men allow for society to exist at a level where women can do that. So in that sense even if you or other women enjoy solitude, the good men that protect against bad men are still very much in the background, or even the foreground.
I'm not sure it is a good idea for women to camp alone or in groups except in high trust socities, which cannot exist without "patriarchy," homogeneity , etc.

My dude, good men have let western society go to absolute hell, and I don't know how this can be fixed short of a very severe backlash to the last 60 years.

 

[Norbert the Tiger]

My dude, good men have let western society go to absolute hell, and I don't know how this can be fixed short of a very severe backlash to the last 60 years.

I don't disagree at all. I'd modify it to past 100 plus years. Same shit was going on in the 1920s. But yes, to quote a fun little ditty by Death in June, "I want you to burn down freedom's road." Burn it down.

 

[Android raptor]

I don't disagree at all. I'd modify it to past 100 plus years. Same shit was going on in the 1920s.

You wanna go back to when it was legal to rape 12 yeat olds?