Xbox Thread (Like/Hate) - Mainly focusing on the lackluster exclusives, weak points, or strong points of Xbox consoles

[Pissmaster]

This is true, but your average player is too fucking stupid to understand this.

Everyone I know who wants a PS5 admits that PC is better, but then say "But I'm not willing to pay 5 grand for a PC"

The vast vast majority of people who actually play games are fucking retarded and still think it costs 5 grand for a decent PC, or are too scared and/or stupid to attempt to build their own.

$5,000 now would get you a workstation-class PC that'd be on par with a supercomputer from 20 years ago.

Steam Decks are $400. That's probably the best ingress into PC gaming right now. I don't think I'd really push PC gaming onto the console crowd until SteamOS on desktops gets traction. Windows doesn't have nice console stuff like the ability to suspend games in sleep mode and run streaming/multimedia stuff from a controller. (or if they do it's all DIY as shit) (also it would be tits if SteamOS would just bake Kodi right in)

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

$5,000 now would get you a workstation-class PC that'd be on par with a supercomputer from 20 years ago.

Steam Decks are $400. That's probably the best ingress into PC gaming right now. I don't think I'd really push PC gaming onto the console crowd until SteamOS on desktops gets traction. Windows doesn't have nice console stuff like the ability to suspend games in sleep mode and run streaming/multimedia stuff from a controller. (or if they do it's all DIY as shit) (also it would be tits if SteamOS would just bake Kodi right in)

I think anyone that was going to jump from console to PC did it between 2010-2015 tbqh

But maybe I just play with a lot of absolute retards and my perception has been skewed. Most of them are late millennials and zoomers and don't even own a PC for internet and just do absolutely everything from their phone. They're almost as clueless with computers as my boomer relatives it is ridiculous.

 

[Pissmaster]

I think anyone that was going to jump from console to PC did it between 2010-2015 tbqh

But maybe I just play with a lot of absolute retards and my perception has been skewed. Most of them are late millennials and zoomers and don't even own a PC for internet and just do absolutely everything from their phone. They're almost as clueless with computers as my boomer relatives it is ridiculous.

Yeah, I've heard about computer illiteracy being a thing among the generation that grew up with smartphones. That seems crazy to me, though I've lived behind a computer my entire life, so maybe even basic shit like navigating file systems as easily as you can count your fingers is something you have to grow up doing.

I dunno, I've never been able to fully make that jump to PC, though its been easier than ever lately. My biggest bugaboo with PC is not having physical copies anymore, but in an era where there's no guarantee a game will ship in full on a disc, and with disc rot finally rearing its ugly head, it's starting to feel so much less important. Cartridges are great, though. Still, PC does to this day suffer from all kinds of retarded PC problems that consoles just don't have, and I've thought about writing out a bitchy post about random issues I've had with my Steam Deck, since it's literally a PC and suffers from said problems.

Like, I've had a problem before where I'm playing a game, I try to adjust the volume, and it's stuck, and says I'm adjusting "echo-cancel-sink", whatever that is, so I search on Reddit and find obnoxious workarounds that involve going into Desktop Mode, and also this meme someone made:

and then I remember why consolefags think PC is too hard, when they just wanna come home and play viddygames without having to put up with sssssssssssssssssSSSSSSSSSTUPID shit like that, and nobody but us nerds have the patience to keep fixing our games when things go awry.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

I guess I'm just lucky. I have very few issues with my PC's unless I'm trying to play shit from before 2008.

Like I have been playing on PC since 2011 and have never heard of echo cancel sink.

 

[The Last Stand]

Original Xbox also had a built-in hard drive, so, no memory cards necessary, plus you could rip music CDs straight to the hard drive.

That's my favorite feature of the Xbox/360. You could practically create your own soundtrack for various games. Even better if the game natively supported it. This was when CDs were still relevant.

The good first half was tainted by countless consoles failing due to bad solder, and the existence of that one model of console with no onboard storage, meaning games had to be designed to work without a hard drive to cache to.

I remember when games started to require hard drive space around 2012-2013. If you didn't have an Elite, you were SOL as 360s didn't support external hard drives or USB sticks until much later in its lifecycle.

But the release of Metro UI, as well as controllers that would just die (at least, for me) meant that it's a terrible console to revisit.

Xbox 360 had the best console UI yet. New Xbox Experience was clean, snappy, unobtrusive, and modern. The Metro redesign (the one with the Kinect launch) was clean and fresh. You could navigate it in seconds for friends, store, games, parties while the Xbox One UI takes minutes to even check your friends list.

There's nothing you can say about Xbox Series X (what the fuck is wrong with this product's brand managers?) that isn't everything you can say about the Xbox One, just a few years later.

It's faster and future proof with Game Pass.

 

[Pissmaster]

Like I have been playing on PC since 2011 and have never heard of echo cancel sink.

It's a Steam Deck problem. Or maybe a Linux problem. I haven't seen it in a couple of months, so maybe it got fixed, maybe not

 

[The Last Stand]

I wish ToeJam and Earl or Blinx went more mainstream.

 

[Pissmaster]

I wish ToeJam and Earl or Blinx went more mainstream.

No you don't.

 

[The Last Stand]

No you don't.

Yeah, you're right.

Good on SEGA for reviving their franchises onto Xbox after the Dreamcast flopped. I wish the Dreamcast functionality went through for Xbox. It could've been a chance for SEGA to take full advantage of Xbox's capabilities since the Dreamcast was a prototype.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

@MvAgusta

That's a plus, I don't need to pay sketchy shops to replace a custom battery years after the console stopped production.

Yes, it only has 20 CUs, it's slower than a One X. It also single-handedly allows the Steam Deck to be a viable handheld. I like it.

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The Xbox sucks because it's just a PC, it's literally running Windows and games use D3D12. Sure it's cheaper, but it's a better "investment" to save up and buy a competent PC if you're really into gaming.

Nintendo is the only company left making dedicated gaming hardware.

If the Xbox Series X/S could be used as a PC, then I'd actually buy one. Unfortunately, Pluton will need to be cracked first. Although it's nice that you can use emulators on it.

There's nothing wrong with the Xbox Series S GPU. It's targeted at 1080p gaming (they claim 1440p) whereas XSX targets 4K. It might fall short, e.g. dynamic resolutions, upscaled 900p, or lower frame rates than 60-120, but the fact that the majority of gamers still use 1080p made this split a decent move by Microsoft.

The questionable design choice in Xbox Series S is the RAM. 6 GB less, and it's split into faster and slower pools on both models. Games can use less at the lower resolution but it can still hold things back. It's not bad in the same way that porting a game to the Nintendo Switch would be, but some developers have been unhappy about it. They're stuck with it for the rest of the decade.

 

[The Ghost of Kviv]

If the Xbox Series X/S could be used as a PC, then I'd actually buy one. Unfortunately, Pluton will need to be cracked first. Although it's nice that you can use emulators on it.

There's nothing wrong with the Xbox Series S GPU. It's targeted at 1080p gaming (they claim 1440p) whereas XSX targets 4K. It might fall short, e.g. dynamic resolutions, upscaled 900p, or lower frame rates than 60-120, but the fact that the majority of gamers still use 1080p made this split a decent move by Microsoft.

The questionable design choice in Xbox Series S is the RAM. 6 GB less, and it's split into faster and slower pools on both models. Games can use less at the lower resolution but it can still hold things back. It's not bad in the same way that porting a game to the Nintendo Switch would be, but some developers have been unhappy about it. They're stuck with it for the rest of the decade.

I wasn't aware Pluton was on the Series X/S, that's a shame. It's a good Chrome OS like box if you're really strapped, as it has keyboard and mouse support.

I disagree, there's many things wrong with the Series S GPU. It's too weak for games that had trouble running on the One X. Such as Cyberpunk: even if CDPR leaves the One X's CPU behind, it still has to deal with the weak GPU in the Series S. It's too weak to support raytracing, even though it has the hardware. It's too weak to render at 1080p what the Series X can render in 4K, going by theoretical performance.

If AMD hadn't pulled FSR 2 out of it's hat, the Series S would have been the death kneel for Xbox before the end of the decade. And I'd promise the Series S would be discontinued early with a die-shrunk Series X without an optical drive taking it's place. This isn't even touching the RAM issue you pointed out.

But, like I said: the Series S means the Deck will be able to play titles that launch on it, like Starfield. Thank you, Phil and Satya![\ISPOILER]

 

[Übertroon]

What was the point with wasting so much money hiring people then?

 

[Miller]

The Metro redesign (the one with the Kinect launch) was clean and fresh. You could navigate it in seconds for friends, store, games, parties while the Xbox One UI takes minutes to even check your friends list.

The Xbox One UI worked way better once they allowed the users to remove the unnecessary crap like the livestream tab.

What was the point with wasting so much money hiring people then?
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Microsoft also has a bad habit of hiring temp workers.

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

The tl;dr is that the Xbox series has always sucked.

Xbox: The most redeeming feature was that it had sequels to Dreamcast games where the concepts were better realized with true 128 bit hardware. Other else than that it was nothing more than slightly optimized PS2 ports and it had Halo 1 and 2. The Gaylo games were decent multiplayer shooters that were the successors to Goldeneye 007. PC FPS games were running laps around Halo but to niggas who never touched PC gaming before, it was cutting edge stuff.

360: The leading HD console by default from 2005-2009 because Sony fucked up bad with the early years of the PS3 and Nintendo duct taped two GameCubes together and called it the Wii. Even then the 360 hardware was a mess and there were crippling shortages for the first couple years. If it wasn’t the red ring of death, it was disc read errors. Then after the Wii fad started to die off, that’s when Microsoft went all in on the Kinect. Halo, their flagship franchise, started fading away after console FPS games improved in quality. If Xbox ever peaked, it was in the first four years of the system, even with the awful hardware build quality.

Xbox One: Sony got their shit together with the PS4 from the start, which eliminated the only advantage Microsoft had over Sony in the previous generation. Unless you really love Forza and Halo, there was simply no reason to own an Xbox One.

Xbox Series S/X: Even more meaningless than the Xbox One. The only people I know IRL who got this was those who were too impatient to wait out the shortages for the PS5.

I think the root cause of the Xbox series being shit is that Microsoft’s sole objective of the Xbox was to have a presence in the living room yet at the same time the Xbox market is nothing more than a rounding error on Microsoft’s balance sheet. They like to throw a lot of money around but in the scheme of things, it’s a fraction of a percent of their overall business. So they never made a true investment into the business like they should. I think their true window of opportunity was the mid 2000s when they had no real competition for all intents and purposes but they dropped the ball. I’d be surprised if they continue beyond Series S/X but I guess time will tell.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I think anyone that was going to jump from console to PC did it between 2010-2015 tbqh

But maybe I just play with a lot of absolute retards and my perception has been skewed. Most of them are late millennials and zoomers and don't even own a PC for internet and just do absolutely everything from their phone. They're almost as clueless with computers as my boomer relatives it is ridiculous.

There's a few games I played on PC, one I come back too occasionally, but I like Xbox for 3 main reasons:
1.Ease of use/ low cost of entry(relativaly)
2.The controller and it's integration into the Xbox.
3.The reliability of Xbox Live and the ability to play with my friends that have moved around, still using Xbox, and play games like Halo MCC (a absolute blast now that it's fixed)

The PC isn't bad, I've built a few, but software is a bitch. Meanwhile with Xbox I pop in the disc, it downloads, boom, I'm playing in a hop and a skip. The integration of all the hardware with eachother is another pro, that includes backwards compatability up to the OG Xbox; never did i think I could pop in one of those disc's to my One X until those mad bastards actually did it.

 

[Pissmaster]

46 Xbox 360 games are being delisted from Xbox LIve

Spoiler: the list (US)

GAMES BEING DELISTED IN THE US​

• Aegis Wing
• Assassin’s Creed Brotherhood
• Assassin’s Creed III
• Assassin’s Creed IV
• Assassin’s Creed Liberation HD
• Blood of the Werewolf
• Blue Dragon
• Breakdown
• Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare
• Call of Duty: Ghosts
• Castle Crashers
• Cloning Clyde
• Counter-Strike: GO
• Dark Souls
• Darksiders II
• DAYTONA USA
• Defense Grid
• Eets: Chowdown
• Far Cry 2
• Final Fight: DblImpact
• Iron Brigade
• Jeremy McGrath’s Offroad
• Jet Set Radio
• Left 4 Dead
• Left 4 Dead 2
• LIMBO
• Lost Odyssey
• Mass Effect 2
• MONOPOLY DEAL
• Mutant Blobs Attack
• N+
• Outpost Kaloki X
• Peggle 2
• Phantom Breaker:Battle Grounds
• Prince of Persia
• R.U.S.E.
• Sega Vintage Collection: Alex Kidd & Co.
• Skate 2
• South Park: The Stick of Truth
• Spelunky
• Splinter Cell Conviction
• Star Wars Battlefront
• Star Wars KOTOR 2
• The Orange Box
• The Raven Episode 1
• The Witcher 2

Spoiler: the list (UK)

GAMES BEING DELISTED IN THE UK​

• Assassin’s Creed Brotherhood
• Assassin’s Creed III
• Assassin’s Creed IV
• Assassin’s Creed Liberation HD
• Blood of the Werewolf
• Blue Dragon
• Breakdown
• Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare
• Call of Duty: Ghosts
• Castle Crashers
• Cloning Clyde
• Counter-Strike: GO
• Dark Souls
• Darksiders II
• DAYTONA USA
• Defense Grid
• Eets: Chowdown
• Far Cry 2
• Final Fight: DblImpact
• Iron Brigade
• Jeremy McGrath’s Offroad
• Jet Set Radio
• Left 4 Dead
• Left 4 Dead 2
• LIMBO
• Lost Odyssey
• Mass Effect 2
• MONOPOLY DEAL
• Mutant Blobs Attack
• N+
• Outpost Kaloki X
• Peggle 2
• Phantom Breaker:Battle Grounds
• Prince of Persia
• R.U.S.E.
• Sega Vintage Collection: Alex Kidd & Co.
• Skate 2
• South Park: The Stick of Truth
• Spelunky
• Splinter Cell Conviction
• Star Wars Battlefront
• Star Wars KOTOR 2
• The Orange Box
• The Raven Episode 1

So, last call for Aegis Wing. It's a free game with no freemium DLC or anything, it was released back in May 2007, and today's the last day you can claim it before it's gone forever.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

Is the Series S getting a permanent price reduction to 250?

Because I remember Gamestop having that as the price during the holidays, but I just looked on the website and it's still listed at 250...

Coming back to this to say I noticed that it has now been reduced to $229.99 on Gamestop

Anyone know WTF is going on? I know that it was said it was reduced to 250 for the holidays, but I see that it's selling for 250 at Best Buy and 240 at Walmart. I notice these are specifically marked "Holiday Console" so did these just not sell at all?

I'm kind of getting tempted into buying one just as an emulation machine but I feel like I could hold out for $200 now

 

[WelperHelper99]

46 Xbox 360 games are being delisted from Xbox LIve

Spoiler: the list (US)

GAMES BEING DELISTED IN THE US​

• Aegis Wing
• Assassin’s Creed Brotherhood
• Assassin’s Creed III
• Assassin’s Creed IV
• Assassin’s Creed Liberation HD
• Blood of the Werewolf
• Blue Dragon
• Breakdown
• Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare
• Call of Duty: Ghosts
• Castle Crashers
• Cloning Clyde
• Counter-Strike: GO
• Dark Souls
• Darksiders II
• DAYTONA USA
• Defense Grid
• Eets: Chowdown
• Far Cry 2
• Final Fight: DblImpact
• Iron Brigade
• Jeremy McGrath’s Offroad
• Jet Set Radio
• Left 4 Dead
• Left 4 Dead 2
• LIMBO
• Lost Odyssey
• Mass Effect 2
• MONOPOLY DEAL
• Mutant Blobs Attack
• N+
• Outpost Kaloki X
• Peggle 2
• Phantom Breaker:Battle Grounds
• Prince of Persia
• R.U.S.E.
• Sega Vintage Collection: Alex Kidd & Co.
• Skate 2
• South Park: The Stick of Truth
• Spelunky
• Splinter Cell Conviction
• Star Wars Battlefront
• Star Wars KOTOR 2
• The Orange Box
• The Raven Episode 1
• The Witcher 2

Spoiler: the list (UK)

GAMES BEING DELISTED IN THE UK​

• Assassin’s Creed Brotherhood
• Assassin’s Creed III
• Assassin’s Creed IV
• Assassin’s Creed Liberation HD
• Blood of the Werewolf
• Blue Dragon
• Breakdown
• Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare
• Call of Duty: Ghosts
• Castle Crashers
• Cloning Clyde
• Counter-Strike: GO
• Dark Souls
• Darksiders II
• DAYTONA USA
• Defense Grid
• Eets: Chowdown
• Far Cry 2
• Final Fight: DblImpact
• Iron Brigade
• Jeremy McGrath’s Offroad
• Jet Set Radio
• Left 4 Dead
• Left 4 Dead 2
• LIMBO
• Lost Odyssey
• Mass Effect 2
• MONOPOLY DEAL
• Mutant Blobs Attack
• N+
• Outpost Kaloki X
• Peggle 2
• Phantom Breaker:Battle Grounds
• Prince of Persia
• R.U.S.E.
• Sega Vintage Collection: Alex Kidd & Co.
• Skate 2
• South Park: The Stick of Truth
• Spelunky
• Splinter Cell Conviction
• Star Wars Battlefront
• Star Wars KOTOR 2
• The Orange Box
• The Raven Episode 1

So, last call for Aegis Wing. It's a free game with no freemium DLC or anything, it was released back in May 2007, and today's the last day you can claim it before it's gone forever.

Can you still plug in the disc or no, just backwards compatibility is gone?

Coming back to this to say I noticed that it has now been reduced to $229.99 on Gamestop

Anyone know WTF is going on? I know that it was said it was reduced to 250 for the holidays, but I see that it's selling for 250 at Best Buy and 240 at Walmart. I notice these are specifically marked "Holiday Console" so did these just not sell at all?

I'm kind of getting tempted into buying one just as an emulation machine but I feel like I could hold out for $200 now

Partly the chips are getting cheaper, partly to boost their numbers against Sony, since by all accounts they've actually stayed competitive this time around.

 

[The Last Stand]

If the Series X goes on sale, I'm definitely jumping in. Whoever said that the Series X is meaningless, I strongly disagree. Quick resume, better optimization with XB1 games, fast load times, emulation support, backwards compatibility, Game Pass, rectangular design. What's not to like?

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

If the Series X goes on sale, I'm definitely jumping in. Whoever said that the Series X is meaningless, I strongly disagree. Quick resume, better optimization with XB1 games, fast load times, emulation support, backwards compatibility, Game Pass, rectangular design. What's not to like?

Literally the only thing holding me back from a Series X is that I own a PC.

But even I'm kind of missing some of my old Xbox 360 games, and when I try emulation on my PC it never fucking works cause I have an AMD card or something.

That's why I'm willing to jump in on a Series S if it hits 200, or a Series X if it gets a price cut. I could use a blu ray player.