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Waldo is ravenous. Horny. Blunt. Naive. Wise. Impulsive. Lonely. Angry. Hurting. Endlessly wanting.
This character is not even an adult yet, and this is apparently her personality. Waldo had to have been molested as a kid because every single teenage girl described like this has always been a slutty train wreck.

I miss when shock value actually meant something. Now women are literally shlicking to it because "so relatable".
 
The book club thread tends to recommend things I would never read for pleasure, even though a lot of people find them entertaining. I guess you could say I'm a hipster
There's a lot of bad recommendations but some really good stuff. It's okay if you're a woman and can't enjoy masculine books. I wouldn't read Anne Rice for the same reasons.

Is DDLG popular in YA now? I remember when it was hunger games and twilight. YA used to be a nice catch all action adventure summer blockbuster sort of genre.
 
Their stuff is great, but they can and will start taking preorders a decade before their books are ready to ship. *sigh*
Yeah, I've noticed that the only really "rare" Haffner books are the first 2 Leigh Brackett books and the John Thunstone collection. Everything else seems to be some flavor of "rare, but who the fuck buys this aside from an aging demographic". Turns out Jack Williamson and Edmond Hamilton and Henry Kuttner have a lot of respect, but it seems there's a shrinking number of people who'd be willing to pop $100 for a volume on the used market.

Consequently, there's also that 13 volume Theodore Sturgeon "complete works" set. Wonder how the fuck we got that and not an Asimov or Bradbury equivalent.
wait, that's a thread?
Yeah, come join it. There's a lot of the "stalwarts" and "classics", but feel free to drop anything.
don't join unless you want recommendations from people who would unironically join kiwi farms and talk about books... on an unrelated note I'm about to read the Sword of Truth series for the first time in over a decade so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

You sound incredibly off-put about all of this. Would you prefer we all talk about Paradise Lost and Voltaire?

I have my own particular brand of pickyness when it comes to reading. I love it, but some things I just can't do. The book club thread tends to recommend things I would never read for pleasure, even though a lot of people find them entertaining. I guess you could say I'm a hipster :pickle:
For example Dune, Battleship Troopers, and a lot of classic horror/scifi makes me want to gouge my eyes out. I couldn't even finish LOTR because it is too similar to Dickens. I don't really care about the politics and backstory of your made up world, kill shit and learn magic and I am happy, I am probably part of the problem.

Then you'd probably enjoy Sword & Sorcery, especially the classics.

There's a lot of bad recommendations but some really good stuff. It's okay if you're a woman and can't enjoy masculine books. I wouldn't read Anne Rice for the same reasons.

Is DDLG popular in YA now? I remember when it was hunger games and twilight. YA used to be a nice catch all action adventure summer blockbuster sort of genre.

I've seen the thread, the only bad rec was the "ironic" Maas book on the poll.

Everything else seems normal. Too normal. I think the two books on that poll that most enthusiasts will not have heard of are Christopher Priest and Edgar Pangborn. Especially Pangborn. Man's a blend of Silverberg, Simak, and "Weird Tales" in how he writes.

I mean, do people want even more obscure stuff? The voted book was Neuromancer, which is still incredibly famous.
 
They're famous but how many people have read them? They're more memes than books people search out and read.
I mean, there's also just the fact that a lot of people seem to want to get down to read, but don't really know where to go or what's worthwhile, so a "meme" book works. Well, it's not a meme in the negative sense. It's just incredibly famous.

A real "meme" book would be one of those grotesquely trashy paperbacks with a stupid title and lots of weird sex shit.
 
snow/ specifically complaining she's a 'pick me' appealing to 'moids' who 'don't read for fun' and 'can't visualise while reading'.
Whoa, where are all these books about detectives and space men having sex with hot ladies at? I go to a Barnes and Noble and all I see is erotic fiction about women getting gang raped by platypi who are also eccentric billionaires and also their uncles. Where's the Xenofucker men section?

This idea that "Men don't read" is so funny because they obviously do, they have just been cordoned off to LitRPG websites and the absolutely bottom of every possible place they can to scrape up fiction actually aimed at them.

Women are so fucking retarded they think "I don't see it anywhere! Must be the man's fault!" Actually makes sense and isn't a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you don’t give them access to fiction FOR THEM of course they aren't going to buy it.
Startlingly perceptive, mordantly funny, and keenly poignant, Half His Age is an incisive study of a yearning seventeen-year-old who disregards all obstacles in her effort to be seen, to be desired and to be loved.
I never ever want to hear women complain about sexualization of their gender ever again. They are so mentally fried. She literally just has to change it to 18 to make it not as bad.
 
don't join unless you want recommendations from people who would unironically join kiwi farms and talk about books... on an unrelated note I'm about to read the Sword of Truth series for the first time in over a decade so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

Terry Goodkind got a lot of shit for saying his books were serious literature and therefore not fantasy, but standards have fallen so much he might be right now.

Waldo is ravenous. Horny. Blunt. Naive. Wise. Impulsive. Lonely. Angry. Hurting. Endlessly wanting. And the thing she wants most of all? Mr. Korgy, her creative writing teacher.

Mr Korgy, with the wife and the kid and the mortgage and the bills, with the dead dreams and the atrophied looks and the growing paunch. She doesn’t know why she wants him. Is it his passion? His life experience? The fact that he knows books and films that she doesn’t? Or are they actually kindred spirits, sharing the same filter with which they each take in the world around them? Or, perhaps, it’s just enough that he sees her when no one else does.

Startlingly perceptive, mordantly funny, and keenly poignant, Half His Age is an incisive study of a yearning seventeen-year-old who disregards all obstacles in her effort to be seen, to be desired and to be loved.


This literally reads like a preface from a 1970s porn novel that had to pretend to have educational and social value.
 
Waldo is ravenous. Horny. Blunt. Naive. Wise. Impulsive. Lonely. Angry. Hurting. Endlessly wanting.
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Terry Goodkind got a lot of shit for saying his books were serious literature and therefore not fantasy, but standards have fallen so much he might be right now.
"Serious Literature" with leather clad dominatrixes wielding their pain kink dildos. Definitely not any weirder than the shit that lady who customizes her porn books writes.
ETA: He starts huffing his own farts and thinking he's the next Ayn Rand around book 4 though
 
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Has anyone posted about that Age of Scorpius 'drama'? the author 'scammed' everyone with her poorly written novel (that she started when she was 12) and claims that she was working with the editor of the Hunger Games. She also claimed to be working with 20 artists to develop fanart for it. The goodreads reviews speak for themselves. I dont feel sorry for anyone who brought a book based on the author being ''autistic and bisexual'' lmfao. The author blamed the poor grammar, lack of editing, and nonsensical plot, on her being ''bisexual'' as well.
Yes, and her Tiktok rant where she said it's badly written on purpose because the protagonist is autistic was hilarious. If you ask me she's commiting stolen valor against real autists because every word out of her mouth about her book is her bragging about being some kind of boss babe with a huge team for her shitty, heavily marketed on Tiktok novel.
 
This idea that "Men don't read" is so funny because they obviously do, they have just been cordoned off to LitRPG websites and the absolutely bottom of every possible place they can to scrape up fiction actually aimed at them.
Well as a man, I do read quite a lot, but I don't remotely read what women my age are into. I'm not into RPG gaming, but I've noticed that both fiction and nonfiction works alike, the kinds of things men read women would find repulsive, so it's not like they can easily make female friends who are into this hobby.
 
Yes, and her Tiktok rant where she said it's badly written on purpose because the protagonist is autistic was hilarious.
This woman obviously wasn't smart enough to make it a self-aware parody (which sucks, that sounds like a good trolling idea). She obviously has read her share of fanfiction to know how autistic women write, but she has also exposed herself as being plainly among them as one of those thin-skinned "don't like, don't read" types who never took criticism and critique well.
 
Well as a man, I do read quite a lot, but I don't remotely read what women my age are into. I'm not into RPG gaming, but I've noticed that both fiction and nonfiction works alike, the kinds of things men read women would find repulsive, so it's not like they can easily make female friends who are into this hobby.
I mean, there's still stuff for dudes, but it's an uphill battle to look for stuff past the usual classics (Homer, Dumas, London, Conrad), comics (older ones), Lord of the Rings, and genre fiction classics (if you're lucky, that Barnes & Noble has some Dashiell Hammett, Robert Heinlein, Michael Moorcock, and/or Robert E. Howard). Can't forget the James Patterson, Clive Cussler, and related mass market paperback fiction made for the boomers.

I mean, according to the shopkeeps at the used bookstores around me, all famous classic genre fiction writers get sold out almost asap. Donald Westlake, Michael Moorcock, Heinlein, Patrick O'Brian, Elmore Leonard, Harry Turtledove, etc. There's a market for them and there's a ton of readers. All "imprints" that focus on classic genre fiction also sell super fast too. S.F. Masterworks, Vintage Crime, Black Lizard Crime, Fantasy Masterworks, Hard Case Crime, Penguin Classics, Orb/Tor/Forge books, Del Rey/Ballantine/Ace SF-F, and so on.
 
There's a lot of bad recommendations but some really good stuff. It's okay if you're a woman and can't enjoy masculine books. I wouldn't read Anne Rice for the same reasons.

Is DDLG popular in YA now? I remember when it was hunger games and twilight. YA used to be a nice catch all action adventure summer blockbuster sort of genre.
Surprise surprise, a decade plus of excessive wringing of hands and clutching of pearls about age gaps has backfired and made young women really horny for age gaps. Surely no one could have seen this coming.

(I saw this coming)

Jokes aside, I feel like this has always been a really prominent thing in fiction written by women. I remember reading The Black Magician trilogy by Trudi Canavan as a teenager in the 00s and even back then being a bit surprised by the romance between the teenage girl main character and the archmage who was in his late 30s. Hell, I remember Summer of My German Soldier being read to us in elementary school and it was literally about a romance between a 12 year-old Jewish girl and an adult (I think he was 18 or 19?) Wehrmacht soldier who escaped from a POW camp.
 
Jokes aside, I feel like this has always been a really prominent thing in fiction written by women. I remember reading The Black Magician trilogy by Trudi Canavan as a teenager in the 00s and even back then being a bit surprised by the romance between the teenage girl main character and the archmage who was in his late 30s. Hell, I remember Summer of My German Soldier being read to us in elementary school and it was literally about a romance between a 12 year-old Jewish girl and an adult (I think he was 18 or 19?) Wehrmacht soldier who escaped from a POW camp.
Lois McMaster Bujold has a whole book where the romantic arc is between a 36 year old man and a 17/18 year old girl, though in all fairness such age gaps weren't unknown in medieval times, especially among nobility (the book is The Curse of Chalion, it's actually quite good).

And back in high school I learned a girl I knew was writing erotic fiction about one of our male teachers. This was before smartphone saturation gave otherwise normal women internet access, too.
 
Has anyone posted about that Age of Scorpius 'drama'? the author 'scammed' everyone with her poorly written novel (that she started when she was 12) and claims that she was working with the editor of the Hunger Games. She also claimed to be working with 20 artists to develop fanart for it. The goodreads reviews speak for themselves. I dont feel sorry for anyone who brought a book based on the author being ''autistic and bisexual'' lmfao. The author blamed the poor grammar, lack of editing, and nonsensical plot, on her being ''bisexual'' as well

I can’t escape videos of people shitting on Audra Winter’s Age of Scorpius. It’s getting a bit tiresome, but I find it surprising that barely anyone’s mentioned it on KF. I’ve managed to "acquire" an ebook copy though there’s not much point in doing a Kiwi Reads since it’s been done to death.

It could be worth archiving stuff in case she DFEs, but again, I think that the digging and saving has already been done by others more invested in the drama. Nevertheless, here’s an archive of her Reddit post recruiting artists: https://archive.is/scRen


[HIRING] Graphic Designer/Artist for Promo Materials in High Fantasy SeriesHiring self.HungryArtists
submitted 5 months ago * by AtmosphereGreen3144
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Hi there!
I am in search of an artist to specialize in graphic design and create promotional material for my book series, including things such as posters, website graphic designs, social media graphics, fun charts and graphs, logos, and more. This may include commercial commissions.
My name is Audra, and I'm the independent author and creator of a zodiac-based high fantasy world with over 100K followers on TikTok. I am readying to launch the first book to this much bigger series, The Age of Scorpius, a YA fantasy, in May. This is a project I've dedicated 10 years of my life to, a story I love so deeply, and a world that I spend every waking minute working on.
I currently have a team of 13 artists working behind the scenes to make this book possible—this is important, becauseif you accept a commission request from me, you must be willing to join a team and collaborate with other artists on this project! We have a Slack we work in with illustrators, concept artists, landscape artists, character artists, and more. You, as a graphic designer, will be relying on references and works of other artists.If you read this, please put the word "stars" in your reply somewhere; it iscritical that you are aware of this requirement. I will not look at your portfolio if I do not see this in your response. I am looking for someone who shows dedication and interest to continually be involved in a larger collaborative project—the first sign for me is if you've taken the time to read this post.
That being said, your workload won't be too crazy! Don't expect a full-time position, but rather a "you can work however much you want" gig; I have some artists who are working on this project every day, and others who pick up a request once in awhile (I call out various art needs in our Slack). I have a flexible and high budget (PayPal) due to external funding of this project, and the large audience expected to give this series a promising debut. I'd be happy to pay anywhere from $50-$150 (or more) per graphic, depending on the complexity of the graphic, and I will fit to your rates if the graphic is to be used commercially.
Some themes you'll be working with may include:
  • Constellations, stars, cosmic and zodiac-themed motifs
  • A consistent style to be developed in graphics to develop recognizable branding
  • Sharp but elegant fantasy-themed graphics
  • Helping me to theme and develop a website
Please include examples of graphic design in the examples you send. Thank you, I look forward to seeing your portfolios!

Confirms what we’ve all been speculating: her team is really just a bunch of people she’s comissioned.

Don't expect a full-time position, but rather a "you can work however much you want" gig; I have some artists who are working on this project every day, and others who pick up a request once in awhile (I call out various art needs in our Slack).

You can’t see her other posts through her Reddit profile but Google has indexed her posts if you search the username.
 
I can’t escape videos of people shitting on Audra Winter’s Age of Scorpius. It’s getting a bit tiresome, but I find it surprising that barely anyone’s mentioned it on KF. I’ve managed to "acquire" an ebook copy though there’s not much point in doing a Kiwi Reads since it’s been done to death.
So many of these Booktubers and drama channels just copy each other on what dramas to report on, often citing each others videos as where they get their information from. There's no investigative drive or sense they are actually active in or reporting on booktok goings-on just watching more popular channels report it first and then rushing to repeat the exact same points (same can be said of most 'drama' channels or lolcow channels).
It's also very tiresome that most people seem to be accusing her of 'using' her autism/bisexuality as a selling point and this is 'damaging' those communities, and not that she, like almost everyone else there, is faking it because its the new trendy shiny thing that sells book copies, clearly. I'm sick of that one mushmouthed Booktoker who reports on drama and is married to a man with children talking about how 'queer' she is when ''queerness'' gets bought up in a book.
So many of these social media creators cling to the stories they've had since they were 12 and never do anything with it, so I will give Winter some credit in actually getting it published and commissioning artists rather than being an outright beggar or scammer. She did get the book done, it just wasn't good. What do you expect from tiktok author?
 
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