Young men reveal why so many of them are single: ‘Dates feel more like job interviews’

From: https://nypost.com/2023/03/01/rate-of-single-men-in-the-us-looking-for-dates-has-declined/

They’re single but they’re not mingling.

New data from the Pew Research Center has shown that 63% of men under 30 are single – up from 51% in 2019.

COVID isolation and women’s high expectations for something serious are the main reasons they’re avoiding going out and coupling up, young guys say.

“Dates feel more like job interviews now. Much more like ‘What can you do for me and where is this going?'” said Ian Breslow, a 28-year-old high school teacher who lives in Astoria.

“The ‘getting to know you’ period is gone and that doesn’t feel so great after coming out of isolation.”

He recalled a recent first date that went quite well until the woman interrogated him on their walk home.

“She literally asked me, ‘Would you rather our kids go to public or private school?’ Followed by several more extreme questions about getting married. I just started responding with what I knew she would hate the most to get her to leave,” Breslow told The Post.

Experts agree that women are certainly wanting more than ever before.

“The overall picture [is] that if a woman is going to go on a date with a man, chances are it’s not for a casual fling,” Ronald Levant, professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Akron, told The Post.

“Especially if the woman is kind of getting close to 30, [she’s] thinking about the biological clock and wants to have a family,” he added.

Breslow isn’t looking to settle down and get married anytime soon, so he’d rather have casual flings.

“The way dating is currently just makes me want to hook up locally with no stress or strings attached,” he says. “Fortunately that part comes very easy … I’m unmotivated to search for something serious for the time being.”

Ian Breslow said the face of dating has changed greatly since COVID.
Andrew Bruno, a 28-year-old nurse from Bellmore, NY, says flirting in the post-COVID era just isn’t as fun as it once was.

“Being able to naturally approach people while out isn’t like it was pre-pandemic. People are still much less likely to leave their groups or cliques at a bar,” said Bruno. “They’re certainly less talkative and that’s lowered my incentive to put myself out there.”

He also said the pandemic, more than ever before, made dating apps the central means for meeting people — and he’s not a fan.

“That just really isn’t my style. Like there is a weekslong prerequisite before you can think about getting involved, even for casual things,” Bruno said. “I’d rather take all that effort and put it towards my career.”

And, like Breslow, he’s in no hurry to get hitched.

Andrew Bruno feels that people have become less approachable while out since COVID.
“I’m also still very young,” Bruno said. “I don’t feel the need to rush, especially if people don’t act as naturally as they did before COVID. Why would I put it all out there for someone who can’t or won’t hold a conversation?”

For Mike M., a 25-year-old in Queens, it’s his — not the opposite sex’s — social skills that are still battling a bad case of long COVID.

“I definitely can’t walk into a room and go talk to someone I’m interested [in] like I used to be able to. It feels like my outgoingness has suffered some atrophy,” Mike, who withheld his last name out of embarrassment, told The Post.

He’s also having less sex than he did pre-pandemic.

“I have definitely been going online to take care of my urges more than I have by seeing people,” Mike admitted.

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He feels as though he lost two prime years in his early 20s of being able to date and have fun without worrying about being in a serious relationship.

Now, he’s under pressure to find a long-term commitment, but can’t put himself out there.

“I also feel like I’m caught between two worlds,” he said. “Ultimately I’ve just been crashing and have had neither lately.”
 
To what end? What's the upside of doing so? What is the benefit of acting in the way you deem "proper" or "mature"?

If you want men not to act in a particular way, it's going to require more than impotent finger-wagging and tut-tutting that behavior.
Well you're either gonna have to settle down with someone or just accept that you can't be trying to smash college pussy forever. Imagine being almost 40 and still trying to bang girls half your age it's downright creepy, almost pedophilic even.
 
Top right is James Holmes. Before he went on his shooting rampage he was a neurobiology PHD student with an documented IQ somewhere around 140. Psychopath absolutely, but how the hell is that low IQ?
Not to distract from your point, but IQ scores like that are basically meaningless. IQ is scored on something of a logarithmic scale, so the percentage of the population drops off quick when you get into super small or super large numbers.

You basically get into imaginary rates when you crank the numbers up.
To think you got a date with a semi-attractive woman just to get beat out by some guy in a goofy costume has got to be one of the most humiliating things ever. But knowing who this is, I don't think he's capable of feeling humiliation.
He's not really humiliated as much as he's fucking amazed that what he previously reguarded as an imaginary character has manifested in front of his eyes IRL and stole his fucking date.
 
I think we are just going to keep seeing male suicides climb.
The suicide rate is already high enough. What's really going to happen is a raise in criminality as those that chose life realize they have no reason to obey the laws that are barely upheld now anyway. You can make more from being a criminal in cities at this point.
 
He's not really humiliated as much as he's fucking amazed that what he previously reguarded as an imaginary character has manifested in front of his eyes IRL and stole his fucking date.
While funny in principle and in execution, do you suppose it fed into his delusion that cartoon characters are "real in another universe" or whatever? I heard some of the Alec Benson Leary phone calls and ABL has the patience of a saint, especially considering that Chris insisted that Sonichu and the others were actual people we affect by drawing images of them doing things.

Now I'm not saying you shouldn't have done it, his grip on reality is tenuous as it is. But fictional characters becoming "real" in front of him can't be a good thing for his mental health.
The implication there seems to be there's no good reason to stop until you're incapable of doing it anymore.
Imagine being the only 40 year old at a frat party still trying to recapture some lost youth he never had. What the fuck would you talk to zoomers about anyway?
The suicide rate is already high enough. What's really going to happen is a raise in criminality as those that chose life realize they have no reason to obey the laws that are barely upheld now anyway. You can make more from being a criminal in cities at this point.
That kind of thing happens periodically throughout Chinese history. The "bare branch" males have little to lose so rebellions became a way to cope.
 
While funny in principle and in execution, do you suppose it fed into his delusion that cartoon characters are "real in another universe" or whatever? I heard some of the Alec Benson Leary phone calls and ABL has the patience of a saint, especially considering that Chris insisted that Sonichu and the others were actual people we affect by drawing images of them doing things.

Now I'm not saying you shouldn't have done it, his grip on reality is tenuous as it is. But fictional characters becoming "real" in front of him can't be a good thing for his mental health.
Lol I was 19 and bored. But to be fair, Bob hadn't died yet. He got super bad after Bob died.
 
Well you're either gonna have to settle down with someone or just accept that you can't be trying to smash college pussy forever.

I got hit on by a Hawaiian Women with a Meth addiction, possibly BPD, and she was telling me how her 16 year old daughter was just caught carjacking.

Then a 67 year old neighbor messaged me on her birthday if I fancied old girls. Guess she was drinking.

I think that's the playing field I'm looking at, at the moment.

Forgive me if I'm stepping out.
 
Imagine being the only 40 year old at a frat party still trying to recapture some lost youth he never had. What the fuck would you talk to zoomers about anyway?
Again, that's not a good reason to "settle down". That's only a reason to stop trying to bang college chicks (or whatever) after you've aged out of reasonably being able to attract them anymore.
 
'implications' are your projection. pointing fingers was used in place of externalizing the cause of ones own actions being the causal result of substituting percentages of the opposite sex's group for the majority. classical example arguments: i want a relationship but all women are whores so there's no reason to marry one. i want a relationship but all men are rapists so you should never marry one. both examples point fingers at the other sex to externalize the lack of a relationship and neither solve the issue. they propagate the issue as more people hear, read, and repeat the arguments. it will always be hilarious watching people take relationship advice from individuals unable to participate in functional relationships.

as for the rest of the post. the article is about the dating scene. if you want to do some rhetoric and debate about the tangential subjects pick one of the other commentators in the thread.
What projection, did you not imply both sides are pointing fingers while solving nothing, and make it directly about men and women. The "implication" is pretty direct, unless you think solo actors are causing these issues or problems. If it were solo actors I don't think the issues would be so vast or apparent.

I think I misunderstood you're talking of broad labels I'm talking about literal issues. Divorce court isn't merely word of mouth and there is no direct result. Men being behind while women are boosted up is not mere hear say.

In regards to the arguments you pointed out I don't disagree but that's not what I thought you were saying, and although you may (not saying you will say this) argue divorce isn't dating I'm talking about the larger picture from dates or relationships starts to conclusion/ends. The cause and effects within that space.
 
At this point I'm pretty comfortable being single. I travel around for work, and while I could settle down it would mean accepting less than half what I'm currently making. Every guy I work with is either single, or in a relationship and miserable because women are fucking expensive.
For example, at my last job travelers all got a $60/day stipend for food and other random shit. One of my coworkers literally just put that into an account for his girlfriend and she complained that he wasn't doing enough for her. He literally drove this bitch across the country, worked fifty hours a week, paid all of her bills including rent, and gave her more than $400 a week just to exist while she didn't even work, and that wasn't enough.
And it's not just him, every guy I work with that's in a relationship has a similar story. He makes piles of money, his girlfriend/wife does jack shit and bitches about how he's not doing enough for her. Fuck that.
 
All sperging about inceldom/hypergamy aside, I wish there was a way to get statistics on how easy it is to get a mate you want.

People often think "My standards aren't high wtf" but really:
> gotta be physically attractive to me
> obviously be physically attracted to me in some capacity
> no BPD/NPD/other obvious mental issues
> no really bad habits (i.e. drugs, gambling, etc)
> contribute to the household in a significant matter (childcare/cooking/cleaning/fixing/paying for things)
> have passions and interests that at least don't fully contradict mine (i.e. couch potatoes vs. outdoorsy people)

If you would put these in population numbers, what would they look like?
Not even suggesting people to settle or whatever, just wondering if it would be helpful to keep in mind that these are highly valued traits for a reason: they may be pretty uncommon in the general population.
 
All sperging about inceldom/hypergamy aside, I wish there was a way to get statistics on how easy it is to get a mate you want.

People often think "My standards aren't high wtf" but really:
> gotta be physically attractive to me
> obviously be physically attracted to me in some capacity
> no BPD/NPD/other obvious mental issues
> no really bad habits (i.e. drugs, gambling, etc)
> contribute to the household in a significant matter (childcare/cooking/cleaning/fixing/paying for things)
> have passions and interests that at least don't fully contradict mine (i.e. couch potatoes vs. outdoorsy people)

If you would put these in population numbers, what would they look like?
Not even suggesting people to settle or whatever, just wondering if it would be helpful to keep in mind that these are highly valued traits for a reason: they may be pretty uncommon in the general population.

We could always ask ChatGPT, does anyone have an account?

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You've gotta love how otherwise functioning adults have this insane idea implanted by growing up watching Disney films and such that you'll have an instant, undeniable connection with someone and will immediately know that you're meant to live the rest of your lives together. A successful marriage takes work, and a lot of it, which is why the divorce rate is so high today.
Y'all might think it's only American or at least Western women who think like this but nope, it's foreign chicks too. South Asian, East Asian, Latin American, etc. Speaking of south Asians, a growing % of women from there are actively showing their utter HATRED of a hint of arranged meetings let alone marriage because they think they're getting robbed of a fairytale romance.
There are some more "grown up" chicks, some of whom even have good personalities. Unfortunately, so many of them are now showing up to the dinner date 50-70 lbs heavier than they portray themselves to be. I spent all this time basically making myself into the best version of me, and this is my reward? I gotta wonder what it was all for.
Or even worse.... Furry-er. I met on girl who was 25lbs heavier and had more hair on her arms that I did..... I agree, lots of wannabe beanbag chairs who think they're gold.
If you don’t have friends, how do you expect to date, have relationships, and marry? Do you all not have a group of high school or college friends any more? Did you really need your Gen X parents to explicitly tell you to nurture social ties early in life? I know some real nerdy fucks, they’re all married with kids, from the Catholic kid who covered all his possessions in duct tape to the kid who tried to make everyone in class call him “Genius”.
Most of my college and HS friends scattered to the 4 winds, same as many of my grad school friends. Different cities, states and countries. I'm still in contact with a few but a lot of them are married or essentially permanently single with no in between now.
I'm in the back half of my 30s. Still having the same group of friends from high school would be infinitely more pathetic than having no friends at all.
True that. A lot of people I interacted with in HS turned into complete losers. The ones that did end up doing well are far away.
I admit that I have gotten rid of annoying guys by talking way too much about uncomfortable topics.
That's the problem with dating people who are tangentially related to your friend group, you sometimes get set up on a date with a lemon, but you want to let them down gently so you don't upset the friend who tried to hook you up.
I understand although the last blind date I was setup on I knew it was not going anywhere the MOMENT I saw that the girl was at least 50lbs heavier than me.
I actually started talking about animals and veterinarian bills for my many many cats (I only had one at the time). Then I talked about making clothes and sewing, and he probably tuned out around the time I got to my thimble collection.
Ohh fun tbh. I'd ask if you could make me a crocodile skin pimp cape.
Nah, nah, nah. You gotta really lean into it.

I was once implicitly set up on a double date with a friend of a friend without being told that's what was going on. I spent the entire night making fun of her and treating all the nonsense she was interested in with total disdain. They stopped trying to set me up with women after that.
Ahaha lol. I've been setup with massive girls (instant no) and by girls that had secret overseas boyfriends (even more funny)
Arranged marriages were the norm for most of civilized history for a reason: the young suck at picking a good spouse and don't realize love is a temporary and ultimately shallow feeling. Faithfulness was the real virtue and thing to strive for. Love is a byproduct of devotion and sexual attraction. Love at first sight is literally just wanting to fuck someone. Dating is inefficient as it is a waste of everyone's time.
Pretty true. Dating is AWESOME if you're attractive, have a good amount of disposable income and are "interesting/exciting", as a man. As a woman, if you're hot and sociable it's awesome too. Of not.... Welcome to a special kind of hell.
I have to disagree with this; I was trying to get this girl's affection, and in a woman moment she decided to jump in bed with a dude who lived with his parents, had to get rides to work (at Wal-Mart), and had fucked up teeth. I'm not one to be up my ass to pull an Ana Kasparian and go all "I'm better than you!" But I had my own car, a "better" job (military), and other shit...

I'm not saying everyone has a chance; but being an incel is more than just being in a bad situation.
Man he could have been packing a solid 12 inches or he was giving her some primo drugs or she thought he was funny. I knew a girl who'd fuck on the first date if the guy said he liked synthwave music. Hell that chicks first boyfriend was a legitimate ex-con (felony drug conviction) who sexually assaulted her at his parents house because he lived at home and had a minimum wage part time job.
There's not much context, I was trying to be nice and proper with this girl. She ends up talking to some other dude, he invites her over, they bang, and she suddenly has a boyfriend that she likes... and he had a fucked up grill.

I'll also say I do it to myself, because nice guys do finish last, but I also do believe that sex is closer to an end goal than an early experience. Unfortunately, "yo bebe, you want some fuck?" works a lot better than you'd expect.
"Let's do some fukk" has worked exactly two times in my entire life. Once I saw the girl and the second time I thought too long and didn't fly out to Michigan that weekend and the moment passed.
And that my friend, is why she wasn't into you. Women admire gentlemen (except of the supreme variety, they're rightly looked at as creeps), and sleep with cads. They always have, and always will. No woman wants to fuck a man who treats her like her brother would treat her.
So true. They all want someone who they consider interesting or exciting, at least for a few decades. A small % don't but those girls are usually married right out of HS or college.
A friend of mine gave me solid dating advice years ago and it gave great results even though it sounds retard-simple:

Go out for coffee on the first date. That's it, that's all, just share a cup of coffee together. No fancy meal, no grandiose spectacle, no pressure. Just coffee and conversation. Keep it light. Get to know each other a little. Don't be an asshole. Offer to walk her to her car when either or both of you decide it's time to go. Ask her out for a real second date if you want to see her again. She'll either say yes or she won't. If she says no, keep it nice. Say goodnight like a normal human being.

Yeah, I know: an evening not exactly aswirl with romance and passionate intensity, but it's typically a good time even with someone you don't particularly feel physically attracted to or emotionally right with. You're just two people having a nice conversation and getting to know each other. It doesn't need to lead anywhere. Just enjoy the moment.
I do this. Coffee or brunch and maybe a walk in a park. Simple, no pressure, no big financial hit.
Things are pretty screwed up for zoomers in the dating scene. Casual sex is easy (provided you're appropriately attractive and not a complete sperg), but serious dating isn't. Both men's and women's expectations for relationships are all over the place. Its difficult to find someone who shares a similar idea of dating.
Casual sex is easy for women. 90% of men have to WORK for it and even then it's with mediocre girls who are pillow princesses.
Don’t be a fucking retard, no one would argue that you should be hanging out with your high school friends every Saturday night at your hometown bowling alley. Lots of relationships start when someone gets together with old high school or college friends in their 20’s, over Christmas or whatever, and someone brings a coworker or cousin or friend from a different stage of life.
Ehh sometimes but most people I know in stable secure (ish) relationships met their significant other in college or MAYBE HS.

When you move out of state or to a city more than about an hour away it gets harder to connect with the people you've left behind and vice versa.
Not to get off on a tangent too much, but the fact of the matter is that women will almost always go for the guy who is exciting, all things being equal. Now that means different things to different people, but a guy who is exciting is almost always going to win out over a guy who's boring.

A 5'6" in shoes manlet who has lived in a bunch of different countries, speaks a couple of different languages, and used to be a professional chef is an exciting guy for most women. Even if you aren't particularly wealthy, and not a perfect physical specimen, you'll do fine with women, because that shit makes you much more interesting than a guy who has lived in the same place his whole life and has done nothing of consequence.

A cliche as it sounds, if you want to up your dating, up yourself first. And you don't need to be a polyglot or spend years living abroad or becoming a chef, but you do need to cultivate habits and hobbies that make you an interesting person.

Female Kiwis, I'd love your input on my ideas...
Very true. Cool experiences and the indication that "He could provide ME with those fun, exotic, EXCITING experiences" drives most ladies NUTS. That and any kind of fame. Look at the women the kinda meh looking author Salman Rushdie could pull. Or certain British novelists or French musicians.

Meanwhile Mr. Plain Vanilla Accountant who collects model trains is shit out of luck. Lionel trains DO NOT DROP PANTIES. A cool story about being on a train that's hijacked or derailed or something WILL.
What I find sad about this all is genuinely nice and gentle men get associated with the male feminist predator.
I know. It's now become a meme that a man who doesn't treat women like trash is probably an up and coming rapist or incel.
Imagine being the only 40 year old at a frat party still trying to recapture some lost youth he never had. What the fuck would you talk to zoomers about anyway?
I knew a woman who was groomed at 16 by a 38 year old man. Dude was a different race and was different culturally. He could still key into what she liked and talk about that on AOL chat. The moment she turned 18 he flew her out for a "meeting" at a NYC hotel. Also, lots of pretty young women are totally fine with have a sugar daddy 20 years their Senior if they're getting what they want. Sex once a week max in return for rent paid, car paid for, shopping allowances and dinner and drinks at nice places and paid vacations is a fair trade to many.
 
Young adults are so autistic and guideless nowadays that we might get a return to arranged marriages.
You really have to give adolescents cultural guidelines for courtship before they start haplessly fucking around and experimenting on their own, because they clearly can't handle it with their "own experiences". Failed relationships are not "growth as a person" like coping women's magazines claim they are, they are psychological bagagge that stay with you.
Boomers and GenX fucked their children over so fucking hard. Didn't teach them shit, and IF they taught them it was some feminism-laced garbage that didn't help them and probably even hindered them.
Incels and Cat ladies are mainstream now, and it threatens society as a whole.
But who cares, as long as boomers get their pensions and huge corporations have loads of depressed employees not distracted by useless nonprofitable shit like "pair bonding", "companionship" or "reproduction", the politicians are happy.
There's a reason a vast number of societies throughout history either had arranged marriages or established courtship rules. As it turns out letting people with no experience on the subject work out relationships on their own starting from 0 with the only drive/guidance being how horny they get when looking one another has catastrophic results for society, who would have possibly guessed?
 
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