UK Young white men do have problems, but they need to man up - Yes, masculinity is in crisis, but the truth is that masculinity has always been in crisis

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Last weekend I was on a panel at the Oxford Literary Festival (sponsored by The Telegraph, if you please) and the topic was the Southport riots. In considering the subject, the excellent Tony Sewell, aka the Lord Sewell of Sanderstead, aired the view that one big cause of social unrest in Britain is that white working class boys are left behind. They’re bottom of the barrel, whether in school, higher education prospects, health, happiness, or projected income. Sewell, the chair of the 2021 Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities report, knows the stats well. His report found that “systemic racism” is not what lies behind disparities in outcome in Britain: it’s class, and poor white youth, mostly boys, do by far the worst.

This wasn’t the first time the topic of struggling working class white boys hit the headlines. There has long been a panic about the effect that feminism, and more recently MeToo, and the discourse of “toxic” masculinity have had on their psyches, leaving them no choice but to turn to that barbarian Andrew Tate in droves.

The topic has once more caught fire since Netflix’s Adolescence came out, the miniseries about an English teenage (white, working class) boy accused of the murder of a female classmate.

So revered is Adolescence as a – perhaps the – document for our times that Keir Starmer has on multiple occasions intoned reference to it in Parliament, mistakenly and hilariously calling it a documentary. It has provoked anti-woke fury among those who believe that a white boy is the fall guy in a story of violence by another ethnic group; it is always safe, they point out, to blame a white cisgendered heterosexual male.

And it has provoked that whiny mixture of faux indignation and performative sentimentalism among those who feel, as their sons turn to Tate (or know boys who do), that they must hold their nose and take seriously the idea that perhaps this squashed, left-out, derided demographic – once the backbone of the Empire – has been given a raw deal since in the decades since wokeness began its institutional creep.

Despite its zeitgeistiness, I have refused to watch Adolescence. I may be among the last few, at least in the chattering classes, who have not tuned in.

There are several reasons for my refusal. One is that the miniseries is obviously far too depressing. When I turn on a streaming platform these days, I want something jollier, something more along the lines of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City or The White Lotus.

The second is that, while I recognise that this group is suffering, I simply don’t feel inclined to indulge in either the huge pity party, or the jamboree of toxic-masculinity-awareness-raising, that Adolescence has inspired.

Yes, masculinity is in crisis, but the truth is that masculinity has always been in crisis – ask any social historian. And as with all moments of media-friendly crises of masculinity, we find ourselves talking about men like they are helpless little flowers. It is odd.

Working-class white boys are found to be treated badly, and therefore to do badly and act badly. One of the big issues cited is that they don’t know their worth or purpose anymore in a society constantly calling them “toxic”.

Very sad, but it is possible to get over such slights and thrive anyway. Women faced derision for almost all of history for simply being women – they were seen as neurotic, nervous, intellectually inferior, limited to backbreaking domestic labour and breeding. Any who tried to go beyond this were stymied, ridiculed and often simply barred.

Of course there was no educational encouragement or even guaranteed access, unlike that enjoyed by every single child in Britain today. And it was completely acceptable for husbands to beat or rape wives seen as intransigent, or just irritatingly alive. And still women by and large obeyed the law and tried to get on.

Some sniping about “toxic masculinity” is hardly a life sentence. And if boys are small men, and men are meant to be tough (which is why so many are frustrated now, we are told, in this “feminised” society) can’t they hold strong even in the face of adversity?

The idea that if we don’t give them all a big cultural and social hug they’ll commit violence and become arsonists and misogynists isn’t good enough. Why can’t we expect them to be decent, hardworking people … even in tough circumstances? It might be good for them, even though we’d immediately be told we are crushing them with “unrealistic expectations”.

Yes, young white men need help and encouragement and resources and schemes and mentorships and to not be told they are worthless. But they are not entirely victims either. They do have a bit of agency; they do have their own will.

I don’t wish the draft on anybody’s son
but it does occur to one that in days gone by, the majority of these rootless boys without obvious or easy prospects, held back by socioeconomic class (in far more rigid, brutal times) would have donned a uniform and gone off to war. Many would have died, which is a tragedy that is every parent’s worst nightmare.

For many, though, it was the making of them: they were scalded into men, they tasted valour, heroism and – for the more thuggish – the satisfaction of the appetite for brute force and combat, sanctioned by the state.

Let Britain be saved from a war like those that our 20th-century forefathers and mothers experienced. May conscription never be necessary again. But let us find some way to get our ne’er-do-wells, stragglers and miserable young men into something bigger than themselves, to stop them gravitating to all that is lower, nastier and meaner.
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Zoe Strimpel is a journalist, historian and author who writes a weekly column for The Sunday Telegraph. She covers gender, dating, identity, and topical events. You can find her on Twitter @realzoestrimpel.
 
Some sniping about “toxic masculinity” is hardly a life sentence. And if boys are small men, and men are meant to be tough (which is why so many are frustrated now, we are told, in this “feminised” society) can’t they hold strong even in the face of adversity?
Where does the 'adversity' boys face come from?
Why is adversity acceptable for men, but not for women?
Why should women have license to 'snipe' at men?
The idea that if we don’t give them all a big cultural and social hug they’ll commit violence and become arsonists and misogynists isn’t good enough. Why can’t we expect them to be decent, hardworking people … even in tough circumstances?
'Men should be invisible units of labor who never bother me with their problems, like the House Elves in my Harry Potterino books!'
 
Working-class white boys are found to be treated badly, and therefore to do badly and act badly.
Back the fucking truck up here.

Is this bitch saying that white boys should....pull themselves up by their bootstraps?

A demand you wouldn't make if someone claimed to be "marginalized"?

Of course if you're treated badly, you're going to attack the people doing it to you. What kind of nonce thinks that doesn't happen?
 
Let Britain be saved from a war like those that our 20th-century forefathers and mothers experienced. May conscription never be necessary again. But let us find some way to get our ne’er-do-wells, stragglers and miserable young men into something bigger than themselves, to stop them gravitating to all that is lower, nastier and meaner.

You just know she has something already in mind ("something bigger") to enslave those men into that is even worse than military conscription.

She was also the intended audience for the series "Adolescence". She took the message in perfectly about those young WHITE men in Britain being the problem and not anyone more colorful.
 
Working-class white boys are found to be treated badly, and therefore to do badly and act badly. One of the big issues cited is that they don’t know their worth or purpose anymore in a society constantly calling them “toxic”.

Very sad, but it is possible to get over such slights and thrive anyway.
See, niggers, it's literally that easy.
 
Had to go to the actual article to see the comments, but most seem to not agree. I hope the industry of ideological agitation is coming to an end, especially from rag retards.

Comment by James Tannock​

Peace, order and prosperity always devalues manly characteristics. White men have been given a bad name, by progressive feminists and ‘anti-racists’. Only older white men remember the honoured place in society to which they aspired. Young working-class white men have a particularly hard time in a radical, feminised education system, with no apparent role but to be the ‘toxic’ other. But the times are a changing, and hard manly men may soon be needed again.


Comment by James Huxtable.​

There’s no crisis in masculinity! Most men are really happy, playing and watching sport, going out with their mates, trying to pick up girls! Not much has changed.


Comment by Joseph Adams.​

Zoe Strimpel, Caitlin Moran and their like have such insights into the lives of working class white males it's almost spooky. Or they could be talking absolute guff.


Comment by S A Leslie.​

Every time a white lad has "manned up" and pointed out what's needed to improve his and his ilks situation, he's been immediately castigated and labelled 'far-right', then if he persists, he's locked up! edited


Reply by Rob McAuley.​

Please compose in English.


Comment by Jeff Bryant.​

They do, because they will be the ones fighting for our country against Russia. No women, trans, gays, Muslims will fill the quota. DEI will suddenly become unnecessary. Would you believe it.


Comment by Gareth Davies.​

There is no crisis in masculinity. The crisis is that the engine for economic wealth has been handed over to the PRC.


Comment by rhoen.nicholson.​

I'm sure they would 'man up' Zoe, given the opportunity. Men have that inclination after all... sadly the last thirty years of wokery has neutered a lot of men and removed any agency or platform they once had. But thank God you're here, a middle aged woman, to point things out. Just the voice us men need. edited


Comment by Josephine Tsakok.​

Strimpel is basically saying white working class boys should just stop moaning. When so many things are stacked against them in their own country I find it UNKIND and ill-informed to say the least,to just dismiss the poor prospects these boys and young men face. They are not all lazy feckless whiny wimps you know.


Comment by Rebecca Harris.​

Man up? Year after year, decade after decade one section of society has been utterly ignored, despite being recognised as the most deprived... white working class boys. From the valleys of Wales to the council estates in Glasgow I, unlike you Zoe take my hat off to them. Many are so under priviledged, from dysfunctional families, they reach a cross roads in their teens, choosing the Armed Forces over crime. Front line lads, some who have given their lives for their country, despite the distain of their country's politicans. These boys deserve to be listened to, encouraged and given a rightful place in society. So much talent lost due to the cowardice of the political and media classes.edited


Comment by James Mountain.​

A women telling white boys to man up is pretty galling, like an abuser telling their victim that its all in their head...however, I do agree with the sentiment, young men need to totally ignore feminists and assert their natural dominance...probably not what the author intended, but I believe this is coming, especially with Islam set to take over. Essentially western women emasculated their men, so that the void is now being filled by hyper conservative males, and this is strangely being cheered on by the Liberal women who will be harmed the most by it...maybe deep down women just want to be dominated, I can't explain this irrational behaviour by any other means.


Comment by Ivor Stuart.​

"So revered is Adolescence as a – perhaps the – document for our times that Keir Starmer has on multiple occasions intoned reference to it in Parliament, mistakenly and hilariously calling it a documentary."
He would. His political wisdom and competence - and that of his chancerlor, deputy and foreign secretary - are pretty adolescent.


Comment by Dan Gleabals.​

Complete and utter drivel


Comment by Inna Café.​

"Man up" and, er, be accused of sexism or harassment, maybe lose your job, maybe face prosecution and fines etc. Why bother?


Comment by Justin Side.​

The lack of self-awareness here is staggering. Can we look forward to an article from Zoe insisting that black men just need to “man up” and raise their sons right to reduce knife crime in a certain community? Or perhaps Zoe penning an article entitled “Israeli’s do have it tough, but they just need to be less fragile and stop whining about Hamas?” No, I didn’t think so.

edit: had to add this one

Comment by William Ryan.​


Pointing out the ethnicity/religious antecedents of the author is not allowed.
The noticing will continue.
 
"Our country is collapsing because we made being a white man a crime! Help us, white men!"
Anyone with any sense of self preservation already fled the open air prison that is UK, doubtful there is anyone there willing to dress in uniform and pick up a gun to fight for their warden and even if there was, they're demoralized thanks to decades of propaganda. Britain is done as a country, but the good news is that something better might be build out of it's ashes.
 
"Our country is collapsing because we made being a white man a crime! Help us, white men!"
Anyone with any sense of self preservation already fled the open air prison that is UK, doubtful there is anyone there willing to dress in uniform and pick up a gun to fight for their warden and even if there was, they're demoralized thanks to decades of propaganda. Britain is done as a country, but the good news is that something better might be build out of it's ashes.
Hopefully Russia and the rest of Eastern Europe just invade and pick up the ashes.
 
There's "systemic oppression" against straight males and "systemic racism" against whites, yet they say "man up" to "cis" white guys?

[deranged circus music drags on]

Can you imagine being a white person -- especially male -- born as "Generation Alpha" or a late "Zoomer", and growing up in Current Year Clown World? Being told your life doesn't matter and that it's "racist" to say it does? Being told your natural sexual urges are inherently "bad" -- delusional BS like "sexualizing" and "objectifying" and "misogynist" -- if you happen to be male? Being told that pretty much everything you do is some form of "white supremacy" or "discrimination", from BS like "cultural appropriation" to BS like "male entitlement"? And if you try to contest any of that demoralizing crap, you may be "cancelled" as "a bad person", or told to "man up" or other "gaslighting" BS? And can you imagine that along with such commie BS vilifying you for who you are, you had to deal with "The New Normal" disrupting formative years?
 
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