Youtube General thread (formerly Youtube Censorship discussion thread)

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LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV] said:
I know that when its implemented its going to offset the timestamps in sponsorblock for videos that already had them but that app is entirely community driven, people will just add the time skips to any new video where the ads are inserted and probably re-adjust the old ones when they see it failing.
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The ad blocks will not be consistent or consistent times.
 
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Source: I know someone on the Youtube UX team.

Is youtube unprofitable?
Yes, but maybe no, and certainly not enough.

Youtube makes Google money. If it didn't, at the rate they burn cash, they would have been experiencing huge shakeups. You wouldn't be seeing injected ads, you'd be seeing heads on pikes and blood in the street.

The issue is that google will not let Youtube make money. tl;dr Google does fuck-fuck accounting games (industry term) so that most of the money Youtube makes is attributed to their marketing/advertiser relation business unit. When google services, like Fi or Fiber, advertise on Youtube, and which youtube is force to accept at internally set rates, Youtube's balance sheet gets an "internal credit" not revenue. When you get a targeted ad, which advertisers pay a higher price for, that premium goes to Google's Ad Data division, not Youtube. etc. And of course all of Youtube's user, viewer, comments, and search data is sent off to the search and Big Data teams with no renvenue credits.
Basically they do any tricks possible to send Youtube's revenue to other divisions.

Youtube is also hamstrung by Google's corporate practices. They have to employ a certain percentage of useless fags, queers, trannies, and niggers under their org and their pay and benefits come out of Youtube's profits.

Despite all this Youtube upper management hasn't been getting rotated, fired, transferred, denied bonuses or otherwise forced out and no new productivity or revenue targets have come down the pipe, or threats or consequences for not meeting them. The conclusion one can draw is that Google management is generally happy with how Youtube operates - the money coming in, the data gathered, etc. They just keep trying to keep the division as unprofitable as possible.


The end result is that Google ensures Youtube never makes money because youtube is where they send people they want to fire.
This isn't everyone transferred to Youtube, and google has other divisions they send people to shit can, but there are people who are flagged off the books as "this person is being sent here to fail so they either leave on their own or we can terminate for cause"
Either they can you for performance because you'll never hit revenue targets because google sends your money elsewhere, or they can say "Mes so sowwy, not enough people watch PewDiePie eat ramen this week, most honorable person we must cut your team." Entire teams have been created, staffed, and funded just so they can kill the initiative/project they were created for and term the people sent to them.

Basically if Youtube was allowed to make money, they couldn't use it a bludgeon to force people out. This is because Youtube is an icky outside entity in Google, and its been used this way since they were acquired and were just straight burning cash.

Youtube is Googles red-headed step child. In short:
Fired from from on of the main google areas: Oh no that's horribly concerning they'd been here so long am I alright?
Fired from youtube: Oh, well fuck those youtubers. Not my problem.

Ok youtube is google's punching bag. But why the fuck would they do this bullshit?
Short answer: Google is trying datamine something.
Longer answer: They are demoing this with static content because their Ad division wants to try to inject ads into streams. We're not just talking about Youtube mukbangs, what they're looking at is, for example, taking control of the NFL's ads to the Ads start during periods of low engagement and stop before periods of high engagement.
Basically shove this into static content, and listen to people bitching to train the A.I. so that it can do this predictively and in real time. They can then take these numbers to streaming services and broadcasters, show "This AI causes the niggercattle to moo the least as we try to sell them Next Product, look at how consoomer opinion improved."

tl;dr: Google is trying to datamine, and underestimated the backlash.

edit: Friend also reminded me of another reason youtube is kept in the rapebasement: Investors. Google wants Youtube to look like a complete jizz-dripping trash fire so investors aren't tempted to get them to spin it out because of how much juicy,juicy data Youtube puts out.
 
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Margo Martindale said:
Injecting adds directly into the video stream is computationally expensive last I heard. I'm guessing there was some breakthrough in encoding technologies or hardware that allows them to do this cheaply now. Things certainly look grim for users of youtube, glad I never grew dependent on watching content from there, seems like so many others have.
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The only practical way they can do this is to inject 'chunks' of ads in between the individual video segments/chunks, which are usually about 2 seconds or so long, from memory.

So, if all you care about is video and you have nothing else available to you to defeat this, all your new tool would need to is download a stream thrice, hash all the chunks, see what differs, and exclude anything that does. That's assuming that YT isn't so stupid to- as SponsorBlock suggests in their post that @Anonymus Fluhre quoted- just insert ads that sit at the same start point and duration in the video.

If they do that, it's trivial to exclude them.

Moreover, unless they get rid of subtitles, they're completely unable to prevent users from mostly exclude ads even if they do put ads at random points. All it takes is having a copy of what the subtitles should be- which will be maybe 100kb at most to host for a ten minute video- and your SponsorBlock style extension can download those, and download the subtitles YouTube is sending for the file, and use the differences in subtitle position in the file to see where the ads are and skip all but a few seconds of them at most.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't archive. Use yt-dlp, use JDownloader, use whatever's convenient to you. I never watch videos on the YT website, I download them with YT-DLP at 480p, watch them, and delete most of them while saving those I do wish to retain. It's faster and easier than using a modern website.
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Dude, busky Musky fucking loves ads. His competitor would be even worse.
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At least Musk's preferred QAnon ads would be fun.
Mao Hao Hao said:
I no longer use adblock, it stopped working for me, instead I use a script installer thing that just doesn't allow ads to play at all. Sometimes long videos will pause partway because of it, but that's better than the endless bombardment of ads they force on you.
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Use uBlock Origin, it is the standard adblocker that works.
AnaV said:
Unfortunately, no I don’t have that one archived. Doesn’t look like it would be too hard to backup, only about 470 videos.

My only idea of sharing everything I have ATM is a torrent, if anyone is up for that.
I have about 8TB of YouTube on my PC (lots of older channels), I’ll have to get a list.
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The obvious choices are either torrents or IPFS. Obviously the issue with torrents is that they're not so great for more dynamic content.

Either way you're exposing your IP (at least that of your seedbox) for what is being served, so not ideal if you are 'hosting something for the Kiwifarms' and there would be some legal issue in your country with being linked to the farms.

I have been thinking for a while about what a better way to be able to watch/listen to youtube videos would be. It's actually quite simple for say Odysee videos, where I can just add the RSS link into my podcast (RSS) player on my phone and download and play videos from there. The missing link for YouTube is an intermediatery system that does something along the lines of:
  1. Download the channel in an appropriate format (to my mind, 480p, AAC audio, chapter markings baked into the video, original language subtitles baked into the video)
  2. Pin those files in IPFS
  3. Update a local RSS file that has links to the file hashes in IPFS. Pin that RSS file in IPFS, update the permanent IPNS name to point at the new RSS file
That would be sufficient to allow a podcast player (or general desktop RSS client) that only understands RSS and HTTPS and playing MP4 or M4A files- nothing exotic like IPFS- just by referencing the IPNS name via an IPFS gateway, which would then allow bare MP4/M4A files to be downloaded and played in the player.

A solution that does this would also by default enable automatic archiving (unless you had a process to specifically tidy up older files from the channel list to save space from your hard drive). And with web RSS clients, as long as there are people who are willing to host or re-host the video/audio files, you could watch videos from channels you are interested in straight off the IPFS gateways just as straight up readily downloadable MP4 videos.

I've seen a Github project that does #1 and has a GUI interface for playing videos, but not #2 or #3, which I think are important if you really want to hurt the filthy jews and pajeets at YouTube.
EDIT: I was thinking of https://github.com/FreeTubeApp/FreeTube
Basically the extension that I think would make sense over what this already does as a desktop (Electron... ewww, but fair enough) app, is to provide for generally usable RSS subscriptions and automatic IPFS sharing so that for any YouTube channel that has a few technically proficient people watching, anyone else who's interested can just bypass the subhuman kikes at YouTube entirely.
 
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Seeing as Stake created a whole live-streaming service after Twitch banned them, I'd like to see if they could dip their toes into the medium. They have an endless amount of money already (online casino) and seeing how well they were able to get Kick off the ground, they could easily put a proper VOD section there as well. Ultimately, trying to figure out how to store petabytes of data permanently on the cheap will be an issue, I think they're in a better spot than the others to do it.
 
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Ghostse said:
Youtube makes Google money. If it didn't, at the rate they burn cash, they would have been experiencing huge shakeups. You wouldn't be seeing injected ads, you'd be seeing heads on pikes and blood in the street.
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There is no proof that YouTube is profitable. Every change that they make signals that the service costs more to run than it makes on its own. If Google didn't have an advertising monopoly on the platform, plus the ability to harvest and sell user data, then the site would have ceased to exist a decade ago. They literally hide YouTube's finances during every Alphabet/Google financial report.

Their business decisions on the platform are also a signal that money isn't a factor at all for YouTube. They are estimated to be taking a $1 billion per year loss on their NFL deal every year. Meaning the purpose of the deal was more about beating competitors and mining data than actually directly making money from showing NFL content. How many companies can deliberately take $1 billion annual losses showing NFL games and not get congressional oversight committees investigating their finances?
 
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TheHarbinger said:
There is no proof that YouTube is profitable. Every change that they make signals that the service costs more to run than it makes on its own. If Google didn't have an advertising monopoly on the platform, plus the ability to harvest and sell user data, then the site would have ceased to exist a decade ago. They literally hide YouTube's finances during every Alphabet/Google financial report.

Their business decisions on the platform are also a signal that money isn't a factor at all for YouTube. They are estimated to be taking a $1 billion per year loss on their NFL deal every year. Meaning the purpose of the deal was more about beating competitors and mining data than actually directly making money from showing NFL content. How many companies can deliberately take $1 billion annual losses showing NFL games and not get congressional oversight committees investigating their finances?
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I'll take all streaming services for negative 60 billion dollars market cap, Alex.
 
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I'm lucky I bought another external drive the other day. My completed game hoard was so huge it couldn't share space with my movie and TV hoards. Now I have room for all that AND Youtube backups. I'm ready for the digital apocalypse. At least until those drives die and future drives only come in hardware-level DRM varieties.
 
Null said:
Gentlemen.

It's 2024 and we are experiencing late stage YouTube. The economical situation of the United States and the world at large is forcing the largest companies to make sudden and drastic decisions to try and keep their income higher than their operating expenses, whereas in the past it seemed even the largest companies were happy to operate at a loss or with no profit for years. YouTube in particular had been terminally unprofitable for years, and it seems that pajeet CEOs are calling it: make some fucking money.

YouTube is experimenting with a Final Solution to the Adblocker problem, similar to Twitch, where they inject ads directly into the bitstreams that make up a video, so that an ad is technologically indistinguishable from the content you've requested.

I believe, therefore, that I should remind people that the only thing they truly have is whatever they personally own. In this context, I am referring to downloading copies of videos. I wrote a guide to this here:

For many of you, YouTube will be a place where you've saved videos for over a decade. It's time to save what you want off the platform before they start doing more dumb shit. Whatever you want to keep forever on YouTube should be downloaded as soon as possible.

Are there any lolcow channels I should be archiving?
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I noticed YouTube's crusade to against adblockers continue and they throw money at brave who until now blocked all ads, interjected or otherwise.

I quit using using YouTube and moved to newpipe and downloading videos locally, it's sad state of affairs when I can't even watch my bootleg movies and 12 hour long long-plays in peace.

I noticed when something was off when most of bb code were disabled in my toolbar, I'll use local archives to prevent Google tracking and I stopped linking YouTube videos over Google's tracking and ads, people called me autistic over this and larges chunk kept insert YouTube videos no matter how hard I tried to warn them.

If it means that I have to use archiving tools and compress media to get around YouTube shit I'll use local archives instead of inserting media, I'm for it.

Archiving CwCville series, everything by Metokur are first on my bucket list. Archiving Tommy Tooter's channel after that, old Tooter holds historical value to kiwifarms, and he is near and dear to my heart.
 
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Gutts said:
sponsorblock can already detect sponsorships inside videos to skip if it's the same youtube ads it's trivial pajeets eternally behind the arms race lmao
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IIRC, sponsorblock doesn't detect them, users manually add the timestamps to it. They posted something on their twitter recently about how these new ads break their extension.
 
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