Youtube General thread (formerly Youtube Censorship discussion thread)

[COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST]

I wish more normies channels posted to alternative sites. I used to like odysee but I checked it out yesterday and the frontpage had a 7 hour Livestream with 0 viewers. Dailymotion probably gets more traffic. Rumble is all republican politics and sports shit, and kick is people who got banned off Twitch and it shits itself if you have a VPN.
The Internet used to be full of alternative websites, why can't the normies make little hops when it comes to YouTube when they'll shit themselves and run to fucking threads and bluesky over minor disagreements with the owner?

If you actually want an answer then the Bluesky thing is a good example. You need to cajole people into a crowd. When people feel like they're in the presence of a crowd or mob their mental faculties disappear and they become easily-directed cattle ruled by emotion. This can be done virtually. In other words when you manipulate Reddit (or something) with robots to give the illusion of a crowd consensus then people will hop onboard and start reciting whatever bullshit you made up. Neal Mohan looks like he owns slaves and is a certain race with a lot of unlikable qualities, so just use your hundreds of millions of dollars to have robots and Youtubers spam smear embellished stories about him and then direct everyone to your Youtube alternative.

 

[The Cringe Connoisseur]

Why is it that EVERY SINGLE FUCKING SOCIAL SITE is a steaming pile of shit these days? Man I miss the days of myspace. The internet used to be so cool, now it's just complete shit.

 

[DickMain]

you should be able to do this by right clicking and clicking "open terminal window here"

Amazing guide, hat's off. As an fyi for some folks (like myself) you're going to have to shift + right click in an empty space within that folder and it'll be called powershell. (I'm not a computer guy, so idk if there's a difference between that and the command prompt, but it's the only way I've been able to pull the thing up the couple times I've needed to)

I should add that for PS, you'll probably need to preface your commands with ".\[whatever your command is]". It should give you a warning telling you to do this if you just try and type "yt-dlp" or "yt-dlp_x86" via PS at whatever location you put it in (be mindful you need to type the full name of the exe you downloaded).

 

[std::string]

If you actually want an answer then the Bluesky thing is a good example.

Bluesky is basically dead so probably not that great of an example. People will stay on Twitter, Youtube, Reddit, et al no matter how shitty they get because that's where everyone else is.

 

[Punished Wankula]

Odysee and Bitchute are the leper colonies creators are banished to for falling afoul of the YT PC police.

The reality is, basically everyone has fallen afoul of the PC police. That's only natural, isn't it?
How many content creators that you used to love have been driven out over the years and simply stopped making content altogether?

Those "leper colonies" are just full of all the people too stubborn to give up after being censored or pushed out by the algorithm.

So both platforms remain small with only limited growth potential, and as a result, they have limited resources.

Of course they're small, but in comparison to what? Youtube and Twitch, who serve literally every human on the planet?
It wasn't always like this. Websites used to serve smaller, more fragmented communities, each with it's own culture and reason for existing.

Youtube isn't like that. It's a gigantic monopoly that's sucked in every literally, unironically everyone, to the point that growth is no longer possible because all the people capable of using youtube, are.
You're asking for too much. No alternative website is going to serve every human on earth. That's retarded, and you don't even realize how insane what you're complaining about is.

They're supposed to be that small. Youtube isn't just the odd one out, it's so large that it shouldn't reasonably exist in the first place, like some kind of primordial black hole.

For uploads I think they top out at what, 720p resolution? Meanwhile, YT is going all 4k UD, and is hooked up to the largest search engine in the world.
But what other alternatives are there? Vimeo? Newgrounds? No traffic there, low res video, etc., so it seems like there's nothing.

Again, that's normal. That's what normal is. It's not unusual for smaller websites to host videos in 360p or 480p at most, because bandwidth and especially storage isn't free.
Do you have any idea how much content the average doomscrolling retard consumes in a day? How much data has to be processed to deliver them hours and hours of content in 4k?

Even just the wear and tear on hard drives to serve a few hundred people like that would break your wallet after a while, which is why so many video hosting websites fail.

It's not possible to serve tens and hundreds of thousands of viewers HD content on just ad revenue, especially with adblockers being as powerful as they are now.
So any video sharing site would HAVE to be a subscription service, like floatplane, just to keep itself afloat. But nobody's going to pay for that when they can get the same service for "free" from youtube.

Nobody expects to pay for anything anymore, or they're so broke they couldn't pay for it if they wanted to, but that's the reality. If you want a service that isn't shit, you're going to have to pay for it.

If there were another platform that could appeal to a wide audience and deliver good long form video quality, with common sense oversight, it could be the kick in the ass YouTube seriously needs to smarten the fuck up.

You're asking for something that can't possibly exist. The larger a website becomes, the more detached from reality it is, because it's bound by the tethers of capitalism.
Just by being a paid service in order to maintain itself, you exclude a vast majority of potential users. Nevermind deplatforming by banks and ISPs for allowing shit they don't like.

It's not realistic. Even youtube doesn't make a profit, despite all it's done to shove ads down everyone's throats and push for youtube red.
Youtube only exists as it does for the sake of data harvesting, and i think it's started to reach the end of it's usefulness in that regard.

Youtube has been shit for years, but it's going to get a lot worse as they try to make something that cannot possibly exist become profitable.
It's going to go away, or at least become basically unusable, and when that happens, fuck man, i dunno. Maybe those fragmented video sites will come back, maybe not.

Maybe free access to video sharing on the internet was just a bubble in the end, and youtube is literally going to become just another form of cable television.

Bad end.

 

[George Lucas]

I don’t get it. I just use Brave browser and I get no ads. No workarounds or any other nonsense either. I use the YouTube enhancer plugin to force max resolution.

What’s going on that makes this more complicated than that?

 

[ZazietheBeast]

And Youtube can never get the hint on why people are hellbent on making sure their ad campaigns fail. Its because the platform has been a long-running shitshow that has strayed far away from the great time where it was a place of free expression, organic viewership and it was quite connected. There have been tons of features that have been stripped away because fuck you, Corpo. And of course how they completely fucked every basic feature the website had. Like the search Algorithm. Remember back then that when you type what you're looking for, you'd get it. Nowadays, fuck you, you get 'popular' recommendations instead. And if you want to find what you're looking for, you need to use other search engines to get what you want. And this isn't getting into the censorship the website engages in.

Again, if Youtube was the happy place that it was pre-2008, people would be happy to hand their money over. But because Youtube is actively antagonizing its users, this war on ads is fueled by hate and spite.

Vid very relevant and will always be vindicated as the years go by. Now, I'm certain the big question will be if this push for Ads up your ass will finally kill Youtube? I'd say it would become irrelevant over time if people actually start going for alternatives. Even if said alternatives are knock-off Youtubes from different countries. Like Bili-Bili (Chink Territory) or NicoNico. Or simply say fuck it and start going for other sites for online media like Newgrounds if entertainment is what they seek.

What is most likely going to happen is that the nigger cattle are gonna stay on Youtube and the rest are just gonna find greener pastures elsewhere. There's plenty of stuff on the net that can let you relive the glory days of pre-Corponet in terms of entertainment at least.

Just a reminder that Nasim Aghdam did nothing wrong.
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Sometimes I wonder how things would be if Nasim met Terry.



Autism and dedication make for a great combination.

 

[The Grinch]

If you buy that shit you're a fucking nigger scab and fuck you

Keep seething freeloader.

 

[Null]

Keep seething freeloader.

Maybe I should charge you $20, freeloader.

 

[The Grinch]

Maybe I should charge you $20, freeloader.

It's okay when I do it.

 

[Fagnacious D]

More than anything else, I am tired of advertisements getting shoved into every fucking thing these days. I don't want to see any more fucking ads. I don't need this shit shoved into my face every second of my life!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Total Advertiser Death!
Kill advertisers. Behead advertisers. Roundhouse kick a advertiser into the concrete. Slam dunk a advertiser baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy ad executives. Defecate in a advertisers food. Launch advertisers into the sun. Stir fry advertisers in a wok. Toss advertisers into active volcanoes. Urinate into a advertisers gas tank. Judo throw advertisers into a wood chipper. Twist advertisers heads off. Report advertisers to the ublock origin. Karate chop advertisers in half. Curb stomp pregnant ad executives. Trap advertisers in quicksand. Crush advertisers in the trash compactor. Liquefy advertisers in a vat of acid. Eat advertisers. Dissect advertisers. Exterminate advertisers in the gas chamber. Stomp advertiser skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate advertisers in the oven. Lobotomize advertisers. Mandatory abortions for advertisers. Grind advertiser fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown advertisers in fried chicken grease. Vaporize advertisers with a ray gun. Kick old advertisers down the stairs. Feed advertisers to alligators. Slice advertisers with a katana.

 

[GarthBrooks]

hello kiwifarms I have lurked on this site for a long time and decided to make an account. I wanted to give a few thoughts and proposals, so my idea is to make a blockchain copy of videos like LBRY without the baggage. It would cost, as I heard, around 30k dollars, which is enough to archive thousands of videos, including audio versions of longer content. I think this idea is doable with alittle help from friends

My other idea is to make this a torrent-based site using the block chain, where every view is seeding the video. This on top of the blockchain network makes it uncensorable, so we could have many video sites using this underlying torrent/blockchain technology, so we could have a central usable instance like Odysee that seeds users for any site that offers to use the same underlying technology used.

Another issue this solves is copyright. As a fan of Garth Brooks, every song I uploaded has been copyrighted by him on YouTube, and he has called YouTube "the devil," leaving me with only my Garth Brooks CDs and DVD boxsets. If we got a blockchain or torrent site, there's no way on earth Garth could censor it, and it would ensure his legacy for generations to come.

What are your thoughts, and how could we make this work?

 

[BigKant]

Great Idea Tubes! Sure makes me want to use the site more.

I hope Rumble and Odysee get more users migrating or uploading alongside Youtube.

Anyway, you guys remember the video about removing dislikes from 2021. Well, youtube privated the video (I wonder why?).
The guy explaining the update had the dead-eyed unblinking stare. It felt more souless than other corpo videos. Bizzare as hell.

 

[std::string]

Like Bili-Bili (Chink Territory)

You have to send China a copy of your ID and pass a 100-question quiz about science and pop culture in order to upload anything or comment on videos. I'm gonna go ahead and say that's not happening.

 

[AStupidMonkey]

I've noticed that the normal YouTube controls (resolution, time skipping, etc.) aren't available during these ads... shouldn't that be a point of differentiation your browser can pick up on?

Yes, but

I've noticed something myself, mostly because I forget to turn my wifi back on when I get home and so I run out of "good" bandwidth and my carrier throttles me down to dial-up:

Ads always run at a ridiculous resolution and bitrate. So here I am, listening to some retard's opinions at 180p, because the retard throttle has been flipped, and an ad loads up. And it takes fucking forever to load. Because it's corporate bullshit, and that 5 second ad has to be at 4k x 120fps to hear some mixed race couple talk about laundry detergent.

So I say all that, so that I can say this: Do we know the minumum required retarded ad resolution? Can we just block every datastream that won't play at 720p or lower, for example?

Because I would just so love it if we could force companies to play their ads at sensible bitrates or risk losing a big chunk of their ad-market.

Yes, it would limit the bitrate on videos I actually want to watch. But I will take that over ads any day.

Spoiler

Alternately, I'm actually probably fine if I can somehow replace the ad segment with silence, spannish flea, or some tasteful elevator bossanova or something. Let it load the ad in the background, and play something else instead. idk I'm just spitballing. I just don't want to listen to ads. Ever.

 

[Ralph Barnhardt]

Brave still blocks ads, how long until it doesnt?

The brave auto-block is the sole thing keeping me from fed-posting

Brave has shit the bed for me with livestreams. They will not load but the live chat still works. The same livestreams will play in other browsers but with the ads. For some reason the ads don't auto play but once the skip button is there I can watch. VODs and regular videos are still working at the time being.

 

[Carpenter Trout]

If a troon or chaser caught wind of just a single impression of such an ad, the autistic screeching would be visible on seismographs across the world.

As much as I like to not interact with those retards, I'd love to see their meltdown again.

 

[UtopiaGuy]

@Punished Wankula I don't think it's retarded or insane at all to expect better.

I fully realize that, given the ginormity of YouTube, an alternative would, of course, be smaller. But the current alternatives are small not because they are somehow meant to be small, but because of the kind of content they push. It keeps them from broadening out to a wider user base. A normie user doesn't want far right wing conspiracy sperging shoved in their face, any more than they want far left wing gender speging shoved... someplace else. And a normie creator will look at Bitchute or Rumble or whatever, and invariably ask themselves if the stuff forward-facing on the homepage is the kind of content they want to be associated with. Some will be fine with it, most won't. Ergo, these sites remain small with limited resources and anemic growth. There is a hunger for something that is not YouTube, but Odysee, Bitchute, and Rumble are not going to be it, at least not in their present form.

I think an alternative platform would need several things going in if it had any hope at all of making a go of it. Resources are a big one, agreed. It wouldn't be cheap to do, but it's not impossible. There would probably have to be advertising, and things like super chats and whatnot. But what if the split were different, favoring the creator more fairly (they did the work, after all), and what if advertising were limited to shorter time spans? That would fit with today's impatient audience. Most people would rather sit through a ten second ad rather than a thirty second one. Especially if there were only so many ad breaks allowed in a video, unlike on YouTube where they can apparently jam in as many as they want, the longer the better. Maybe text based ads are another option. And yes, possibly a paid tier for further access to better features, and maybe a "pro" teir for big channels. I wouldn't mind any of those in principle. Both the platform and the content creators deserve to make a buck, so long as the method/s they use are not abused or intrusive, or otherwise prevent anyone maintaining their sanity as an end user.

They need leadership with a clear, concise, unwavering vision of what the end goal is: making if not a YouTube killer, at least a viable alternative to the YouTube shit show rat race for both users and creators. Become the better alternative, be less evil, be more fair, and be more transparent.

They also need some kind of common sense curation to keep out the worst of the riffraff, again, to appeal to a broader audience. The broader the audience, the bigger the user base, the easier to scale up, the more opportunities to become the dominant force in the space.

Again, while it's unlikely, it's also not impossible. Remember, there was a time when MySpace ruled the world, and then along came Facebook. Who cares about Tom from MySpace anymore? That fucker was our first friend, until he sold out, took the money and ran, and then ghosted us. Fuck Tom. Fuck that guy.

Of course, after enough time and growth, any alternaive platform would probably turn evil. I agree that is the unfortunate way of the world, but it could be good in the meantime.

 

[Brabbit Narp]

Question. Are these external hard drives as seen here any good?

The reviews on them say they are, but Amazon reviews are notoriously suspect, and I am suspicious of other sites that echo positive sentiments on these products for similar reasons. If not, are there any recommendations here for mass archival? I've been stepping up archiving stuff on my end, but there's still so much out there that I need to get on offline archival. I am fortunate that I have not suffered a critical drive failure in my life, but I am paranoid that any drives list here or elsewhere might kick the bucket unexpectedly. I always strive for to have at least one backup of anything I have, but other than these reviews, what do you Kiwis think of them? I'd like to have at least something that I can reliably backup to without *too* much worry for it kicking the bucket. It's inevitable, but having peace of mind is nice.

Been looking into the NAS stuff as well, but I don't have any experience with that sort of stuff, and I don't know where to start as far as Linux related compatibilities are concerned.

 

[ZsaZsaBinks]

Gentlemen.

It's 2024 and we are experiencing late stage YouTube. The economical situation of the United States and the world at large is forcing the largest companies to make sudden and drastic decisions to try and keep their income higher than their operating expenses, whereas in the past it seemed even the largest companies were happy to operate at a loss or with no profit for years. YouTube in particular had been terminally unprofitable for years, and it seems that pajeet CEOs are calling it: make some fucking money.

YouTube is experimenting with a Final Solution to the Adblocker problem, similar to Twitch, where they inject ads directly into the bitstreams that make up a video, so that an ad is technologically indistinguishable from the content you've requested.

I believe, therefore, that I should remind people that the only thing they truly have is whatever they personally own. In this context, I am referring to downloading copies of videos. I wrote a guide to this here:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/archival-tools.6561/

For many of you, YouTube will be a place where you've saved videos for over a decade. It's time to save what you want off the platform before they start doing more dumb shit. Whatever you want to keep forever on YouTube should be downloaded as soon as possible.

Are there any lolcow channels I should be archiving?

YouTube constantly ruins its own legacy. The only reason it’s still a thing is because the other video sites are niche or just not exciting to be on.

Everyone here is talking about MySpace but I believe that MySpace would have also become PC and full of censorship had stayed relevant.