Youtube policy changes regarding children's content

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How is it not a children's entertainment channel if this is the avatar???

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Not only is it drawn, its poorly drawn as if a child made it.

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I think people are blowing this way out of proportion. This from Internet Historian
I mean I guess you can take that more seriously than what the FTC spokesperson said, but frankly I don't see a lot of reason to. Also just to clarify: using targeted ads on kids is gathering information on them. Saying "you only have to worry if you're personally collecting their information" is just wrong. Youtube got fined considerably for using targeted ads on children through personalized ads. Marking your videos as for adults means choosing to leave the targeted ads on your videos, if your videos are viewed by children you, the creator, will be responsible for collecting information on that child through that targeted ad (youtube may be the only one getting the info, but they didn't want it and only got it because you flagged your videos wrong). Youtube is passing the buck, so now anyone who is saying their videos are for adults are saying "go ahead and use personalized ads on my videos".

Now enforcement will be the real question, and that's a reasonable point to bring up. Still just dismissing it like nothing will happen is basically ignoring the FTC.
 
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Just sayin'

If you upload Pokemon, Luigi's Mansion, and Sonic videos, kids will watch them.
I'm too old to consider what sort of content I'd watch in YouTube if I was six in Current Year but if it'd been around in 10,000 BCE when I was and I was trying to watch a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles video or something with a fat cackling orc talking over all the cool stuff I like to think I'd just find something else to watch.

I hope kids nowadays would at least be savvy enough to say, "this is annoying" and click off but what the fuck do I know.
 
I'm too old to consider what sort of content I'd watch in YouTube if I was six in Current Year but if it'd been around in 10,000 BCE when I was and I was trying to watch a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles video or something with a fat cackling orc talking over all the cool stuff I like to think I'd just find something else to watch.

I hope kids nowadays would at least be savvy enough to say, "this is annoying" and click off but what the fuck do I know.


My Nephew is six and utterly obsessed by watching Plants VS Zombies gameplay footage, no matter who or what is played over it
 
I mean I guess you can take that more seriously than what the FTC spokesperson said, but frankly I don't see a lot of reason to. Also just to clarify: using targeted ads on kids is gathering information on them. Saying "you only have to worry if you're personally collecting their information" is just wrong. Youtube got fined considerably for using targeted ads on children through personalized ads. Marking your videos as for adults means choosing to leave the targeted ads on your videos, if your videos are viewed by children you, the creator, will be responsible for collecting information on that child through that targeted ad (youtube may be the only one getting the info, but they didn't want it and only got it because you flagged your videos wrong). Youtube is passing the buck, so now anyone who is saying their videos are for adults are saying "go ahead and use personalized ads on my videos".

Now enforcement will be the real question, and that's a reasonable point to bring up. Still just dismissing it like nothing will happen is basically ignoring the FTC.

My guess is that there will be some examples made with a nominal/waived fine. The chilling effect will handle the rest of the honest creators. True enforcement will happen to those who just gotta get that money...to pay their bills.

I'm having a hard time seeing where YT agreed to stop collecting data from minors. They may have even made the case that it's necessary for their core functionality (video suggestions, restricted mode, etc). That means that if a creator allows targeted ads they will target anyone who views that video including minors. I assume that's why the burden is on the creators. Really don't know though.
 
Im pretty sure the FTC is acting WAAAAYYYYY outside the bounds of the constitution with COPPA. Honestly the penalties for violating the constitution should be the same as treason
 
Im pretty sure the FTC is acting WAAAAYYYYY outside the bounds of the constitution with COPPA. Honestly the penalties for violating the constitution should be the same as treason
Well it's a law from 1998, in fact Youtube was in violation of it for a long time but just kept telling the FTC "we're a site for people 13 and up" but then children's advocacy groups who aren't retarded and know that children spend countless hours on youtube these days contacted the FTC so now the FTC is bringing down the hammer. So yeah if COPPA violates the constitution then it's been doing so for 21 years.

I mean really all COPPA says is you can't collect information on children without their parent's explicit consent. COPPA specifically covers things like cookies, which is really the core here because Youtube uses cookies for it's targeted ads (as do most sites).
 
I admit I'm going into this with almost zero knowledge, so someone please point out if I'm being a complete tard. But, from what I gather, wouldn't it be really hard to tell if a child was viewing something that the uploader classified as not for a child? The only way I'd think you'd be able to tell is if the viewer was watching with an account containing an accurate birthdate. If a kid is just using the account of a logged in parent to search for Pokemon playthroughs and they stumble on Phil, YouTube isn't going to know it was a kid watching and not the parent. There's also the case of kids just making a new account with an older birthdate to get around things. I could see especially young kids not knowing this is an option, but I'd be surprised if anyone over like, the age of 10 didn't know better. And while Phil isn't exactly bringing in a mature audience, I don't think he's really hitting it big with an audience young enough to be effected by this. Hell, Phil's channel in general isn't exactly a goldmine for views. If I had to wager a guess, most of the views are coming either from detractors who need to mine content for videos, or legit fans who actually want to watch him for some wild reason. In the first case, I doubt kids are making detractor content/even know who Phil is, and for the later, we're dealing more with disabled adults than actual children.

It might make it harder for Phil to get ads if his stuff is flagged as mature or adult only or whatever, but with how few views he gets I can't imagine it would have that much of an impact. Maybe a few hundred dollars, which seems like a lot, but compared to the Twitch/donations which make up the bulk of Phil's payments, it isn't that bad overall. Probably still enough to get under Phil's skin and lead to more rants about how dumb YouTube is, but Phil does those whether or not YouTube is actually doing anything or not.
 
Well it's a law from 1998, in fact Youtube was in violation of it for a long time but just kept telling the FTC "we're a site for people 13 and up" but then children's advocacy groups who aren't exceptional and know that children spend countless hours on youtube these days contacted the FTC so now the FTC is bringing down the hammer. So yeah if COPPA violates the constitution then it's been doing so for 21 years.

I mean really all COPPA says is you can't collect information on children without their parent's explicit consent. COPPA specifically covers things like cookies, which is really the core here because Youtube uses cookies for it's targeted ads (as do most sites).

youtube's response was the youtube kids app
 
He might get away with Dragon Quest since that's not a franchise explicitly aimed at or known for being appealing to children. (They certainly are trying to get more child appeal with Builders though.) I don't think any Dragon Quest characters are well-established (in the West at least) as children's mascots either.

I feel bad for any child who does end up watching one of Phil's gameplays, Googles his name and goes down the rabbit hole/watches him jerk off on stream.
 
I admit I'm going into this with almost zero knowledge, so someone please point out if I'm being a complete tard. But, from what I gather, wouldn't it be really hard to tell if a child was viewing something that the uploader classified as not for a child? The only way I'd think you'd be able to tell is if the viewer was watching with an account containing an accurate birthdate. If a kid is just using the account of a logged in parent to search for Pokemon playthroughs and they stumble on Phil, YouTube isn't going to know it was a kid watching and not the parent. There's also the case of kids just making a new account with an older birthdate to get around things. I could see especially young kids not knowing this is an option, but I'd be surprised if anyone over like, the age of 10 didn't know better. And while Phil isn't exactly bringing in a mature audience, I don't think he's really hitting it big with an audience young enough to be effected by this. Hell, Phil's channel in general isn't exactly a goldmine for views. If I had to wager a guess, most of the views are coming either from detractors who need to mine content for videos, or legit fans who actually want to watch him for some wild reason. In the first case, I doubt kids are making detractor content/even know who Phil is, and for the later, we're dealing more with disabled adults than actual children.

It might make it harder for Phil to get ads if his stuff is flagged as mature or adult only or whatever, but with how few views he gets I can't imagine it would have that much of an impact. Maybe a few hundred dollars, which seems like a lot, but compared to the Twitch/donations which make up the bulk of Phil's payments, it isn't that bad overall. Probably still enough to get under Phil's skin and lead to more rants about how dumb YouTube is, but Phil does those whether or not YouTube is actually doing anything or not.
The reason YouTube got in so much trouble is that they were selling ad space to advertisers directly saying they could put those ads in front of children and they were using account data gathered to target specific ads to these accounts that they completely fucked all plausible deniability of them not knowing these accounts belonged to children.
They used to ignore this law by saying 'Wink Wink there is no one under 13 on our site because our TOS says you have to be 13 and over to create an account'.
In response to this the FTC is cracking down on YouTube, but YouTube worked out a deal with them to put the onus on channel owners whether or not to turn off targeted ads.
The FTC has made such statements as "the audience will be presumed to be 12 and under", so even in the case of say an unboxing video of a $300 collectable statue of Sagat, because it is a 'toy unboxing', the FTC will presume the audience does consist a children 12 & under i.e. "for kids". If you make edgy videos using puppets or animation, because those are 'puppet shows' or 'cartoons', the FTC will presume the audience does consist of children.
The FTC has said they already 'have ways to go through the 23 million channels' and it's certainly not going to be with a fine tooth comb.

I'm starting to ramble, but to answer your questions: The FTC isn't going to look at accounts watching to make a determination, they are going to categorize videos and presume the audience contains children. . .because YouTube massivly fucked-up and flushed their 'Wink Wink Nudge Nudge Those aren't children because they said they weren't' deniability down the toilet.
It doesn't matter who your audience actually consists of, and it doesn't matter what your intended audience was, it matters whether the FTC will presume your audience consists of children based on an extremely shallow overview of your content. It also doesn't matter if you have restricted your videos as "mature content", it only matters what the FTC presumes and whether you have turned targeted ads off or not under the misleading label of "for kids" or "not for kids".

I'm just going to wait and watch and get a few chuckles from the sidelines hopefully. The more people try to spell this out for Phil, the more stubbornly he will refuse to listen. No one can navigate this correctly for him, and if he gets bit in the ass by this it will be hilarious.
 
The reason YouTube got in so much trouble is that they were selling ad space to advertisers directly saying they could put those ads in front of children and they were using account data gathered to target specific ads to these accounts that they completely fucked all plausible deniability of them not knowing these accounts belonged to children.
They used to ignore this law by saying 'Wink Wink there is no one under 13 on our site because our TOS says you have to be 13 and over to create an account'.
In response to this the FTC is cracking down on YouTube, but YouTube worked out a deal with them to put the onus on channel owners whether or not to turn off targeted ads.
The FTC has made such statements as "the audience will be presumed to be 12 and under", so even in the case of say an unboxing video of a $300 collectable statue of Sagat, because it is a 'toy unboxing', the FTC will presume the audience does consist a children 12 & under i.e. "for kids". If you make edgy videos using puppets or animation, because those are 'puppet shows' or 'cartoons', the FTC will presume the audience does consist of children.
The FTC has said they already 'have ways to go through the 23 million channels' and it's certainly not going to be with a fine tooth comb.

I'm starting to ramble, but to answer your questions: The FTC isn't going to look at accounts watching to make a determination, they are going to categorize videos and presume the audience contains children. . .because YouTube massivly fucked-up and flushed their 'Wink Wink Nudge Nudge Those aren't children because they said they weren't' deniability down the toilet.
It doesn't matter who your audience actually consists of, and it doesn't matter what your intended audience was, it matters whether the FTC will presume your audience consists of children based on an extremely shallow overview of your content. It also doesn't matter if you have restricted your videos as "mature content", it only matters what the FTC presumes and whether you have turned targeted ads off or not under the misleading label of "for kids" or "not for kids".

I'm just going to wait and watch and get a few chuckles from the sidelines hopefully. The more people try to spell this out for Phil, the more stubbornly he will refuse to listen. No one can navigate this correctly for him, and if he gets bit in the ass by this it will be hilarious.

Thanks, this was a pretty quick and easy to digest summary of what exactly is happening. In regards to Phil's stuff getting flagged as child friendly or whatever, does that just mean he won't be able to use targeted ads for those videos, or is there a bigger consequence?
 
Thanks, this was a pretty quick and easy to digest summary of what exactly is happening. In regards to Phil's stuff getting flagged as child friendly or whatever, does that just mean he won't be able to use targeted ads for those videos, or is there a bigger consequence?
From what I’ve gathered here and else where:
  • If Phil voluntarily classifies his videos as for children (which he hasn’t), he will not be able to use targeted ads and will get less pay from YouTube.
  • If YouTube flags his videos as for children, he will not be able to use targeted ads and will get less pay from YouTube.
  • If the FTC flags his videos as for children, he will could face up to a $42,000 fine per video.
To me it doesn’t sound like whether it’s “kid friendly” or wherever, it’s more like is the video appealing to children. I imagine some long winded political essay will be fairly safe. Video game play throughs are screwed. I’m also kinda interested how this could affect Logan Paul and others like him with all of their merchandizing plugs.

I don’t know what to expect from any of this, but the next several months could be quite amusing for those of us who don’t rely on YouTube shekels to Save our Houses.
 
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