Lolcow Leonard F. Shaner Jr. - Autistic Pedophile / Foamer / Shitlord

[Sanae Kochiya]

I am curious how many of us Len thinks lives in his town.

On another note, does anyone know when the next trial date is? You know, just getting the timeline set and everything.

 

[Subconcious Offense]

All of us. All 1 of us.

 

[AnOminous]

I am curious how many of us Len thinks lives in his town.

On another note, does anyone know when the next trial date is? You know, just getting the timeline set and everything.

Here's the docket: https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/DocketSheets/CPReport.ashx?docketNumber=CP-46-CR-0005930-2015

Pre-Trial 11/17/2015 9:30 am Courtroom C Judge William R. Carpenter Scheduled
Conference

 

[Ouija Board]

November huh? So is this going to be more preliminary stuff?

 

[TowinKarz]

Pre-Trial is your first chance to make the real serious motions.

By that point, Lens attorneys will have had time to review all the evidence that's going to be brought by the prosecutors, so this is their chance to make motions to have some of it excluded due to relevance/procedural error, same with potential witnesses, if this were a high-stakes trial for a very public murder, or fraud case, this is where your attorney would motion to change venue because you can't get a impartial jury locally since everyone's heard about it and thinks you're guilty..... that kind of stuff.

They may make a motion to dismiss everything on the grounds that there isn't enough evidence to even waste time putting it in front of a jury, but I doubt it, it seems from a feeling-out over the months that there's enough "meat" here that Len is headed for a full blown trial, this is just another perfunctory step to whittle down exactly what the issues are and try and weed out superfluous witnesses/exhibits on both sides, like, if 4 people saw Len allegedly trespassing, and are willing to testify, they (the prosecution) is going to try and pick the two best ones (who saw it clearest) to take the stand instead of letting EVERYONE get up there because that just makes it longer and more costly... those kind of decisions.

Assuming there is no plea at that point, and no dismissal, the next step is an actual trial date and the seating of a jury.

This whole thing probably has another six months to run before what we think of as a "trial" starts.

 

[Subconcious Offense]

Pre-Trial is your first chance to make the real serious motions.

By that point, Lens attorneys will have had time to review all the evidence that's going to be brought by the prosecutors, so this is their chance to make motions to have some of it excluded due to relevance/procedural error, same with potential witnesses, if this were a high-stakes trial for a very public murder, or fraud case, this is where your attorney would motion to change venue because you can't get a impartial jury locally since everyone's heard about it and thinks you're guilty..... that kind of stuff.

They may make a motion to dismiss everything on the grounds that there isn't enough evidence to even waste time putting it in front of a jury, but I doubt it, it seems from a feeling-out over the months that there's enough "meat" here that Len is headed for a full blown trial, this is just another perfunctory step to whittle down exactly what the issues are and try and weed out superfluous witnesses/exhibits on both sides, like, if 4 people saw Len allegedly trespassing, and are willing to testify, they (the prosecution) is going to try and pick the two best ones (who saw it clearest) to take the stand instead of letting EVERYONE get up there because that just makes it longer and more costly... those kind of decisions.

Assuming there is no plea at that point, and no dismissal, the next step is an actual trial date and the seating of a jury.

This whole thing probably has another six months to run before what we think of as a "trial" starts.

There is video evidence, but Hy may ask for the charges to be dismissed on the grounds that the bans were "faked by the Kiwis" in the first place, because that's what Len supposedly believes. Considering everything is a month or 2 apart, Len might be giving us a Christmas present in the form of him trying to "expose the Kiwis" in his trial.

 

[TowinKarz]

He can't argue for a dismissal on those grounds, the only grounds you can ask the Judge to throw it out wholesale are:

1. There is so little evidence that there's simply no way a reasonable person, let alone a jury of 12 of them, could conclude the defendant is guilty, so the trial would just be a waste.

2. Some of the evidence was collected in violation of the defendant's rights or established procedure, and must be excluded. Said evidence is so crucial to the charges in question, that without it, there isn't enough non-tainted circumstantial evidence left that a reasonable person could conclude the defendant did it, so, see above


Crazy claims about conspiracy are for trial, ironically, even if true, the Judge can't dismiss pre trial "on account of conspiracy" you have to GO to trial and PROVE it.

 

[PropaneAccesories]

This just in. Len has the FBI monitoring his phone line. Please don't be stupid and prank him

EDIT: Censored to protect Len's current "inform ant".

EDIT PART TWO: This also went up on Facebook earlier:

I just received this in my Facebook inbox. Anyone know what's going on here?

 

[HickoryDickory]

Okay... Seems like a ween is still feeding him. What does the IRS have to do with deaths? Deaths also don't mean murder... And I'm sure the Philippines are way out of local jurisdiction.

Shaner, how did you manage to live this long?

 

[Detahramet]

Shaner, how did you manage to live this long?

All of our lolcows are fed an organic blend of welfare, overly tolerent parenting, autism, and coprophilia, and are entirely free range, though typically choose to sit around at the milking station. Here at the kiwi farms, you can enjoy your freshly milked lulz knowing that the cows are free to stop milking themselves at any point, completely free of guilt

 

[DogshitTaco]

I just received this in my Facebook inbox. Anyone know what's going on here?

View attachment 52231

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/rest-in-peace-isabel-rosa-araujo.12972/page-2#post-1002571

I wonder if Lenny found this on his own.

 

[PropaneAccesories]

Oh, right. I don't follow ADF, so I wasn't even aware of that thread. He doesn't seem to be in contact with any weens as far as I can tell. Most likely, he and his Ball Team are scouring the Farms for anything noteworthy.

EDIT: Also, if that was on the front page any time within the last couple of weeks, Len definitely would have seen it when he comes to check this thread.

 

[HickoryDickory]

The ADF thread was featured, I think? Too bad he didn't look further. "Rosa" is alive and... Looking for cheese.

For Shaner this thread and conspiracy must be the highlight of his life, and that is kind of sad. But then again, he really tried to hurt people and emotionally scarred a home-care worker, so...

 

[Subconcious Offense]

Does this mean someone has been prank calling him? He's putting a lot of effort in telling people not to do it.

 

[Chan the Wizard]

Oh, Phil, I thought he was talking about the crazy Irish tranny. One of these days we'll succeed in killing a cow.

 

[AnOminous]

Pre-Trial is your first chance to make the real serious motions.

By that point, Lens attorneys will have had time to review all the evidence that's going to be brought by the prosecutors, so this is their chance to make motions to have some of it excluded due to relevance/procedural error, same with potential witnesses, if this were a high-stakes trial for a very public murder, or fraud case, this is where your attorney would motion to change venue because you can't get a impartial jury locally since everyone's heard about it and thinks you're guilty..... that kind of stuff.

Don't forget the prosecution also gets to make their own motions. While it's pretty typical in a simple open and shut case to just go right to trial if it somehow doesn't plead out, there seems to be a slight possibility that the defense will be trying to derail the case with irrelevant Lenspiracy hooey. The prosecution could, before trial, file something often called a motion in limine to exclude that kind of bullshit from trial. It wouldn't constitute a defense against trespassing and is basically irrelevant to any material fact in the case.

The fact that after you committed your retarded crime, people on the Internet laughed at you, is not relevant in any way to guilt.

 

[TowinKarz]

Incidentally, conspiracy is an affirmative defense. You have to produce the relevant evidence you were framed for it to work. In fact, all defenses, with very few exceptions are affirmative, if the defendant opens the door suggesting an explanation, he/she is admitting they did it. That's why a good and competent defense attorney always points out holes in the prosecutions case because they're whittling away at the prosecutors burden of proof, the "Beyond a reasonable doubt".

They'll harp on the fact that "The prosecution has not met their burden of proof in this case showing my client did it"

They'd NEVER say "My client was framed by railroad workers with a grudge against autistics" because now, they have to PROVE that, beyond a reasonable doubt...

Only loony-bin candidates like Colin Ferguson go into court and claim vast conspiracies and lying witnesses are against them (and they're often doing it as their own lawyer since real ones won't touch crazy folk because they can't keep them from chimping in court because they're too dumb to realize your best defense is to SHUT THE HELL UP)

There's also the issue of relevance, which we saw at the prelim. What the internet thinks of Len isn't RELEVANT to the charges at hand, the fact he's mocked on the Farms doesn't in any way shape or form affect whether or not he stood too close to a railroad track in SE Pennsylvania when he'd been repeatedly told not to. So the Judge will not allow any questions about who Kirby is or if any of the witnesses know a guy calling himself PocketSand, because it's not relevant. No good attorney would go there, and if they did, the prosecution would quickly object and it would be sustained. This isn't like TV, real life Judges HATE theatrics and time-wasters.

If Len has competent counsel, he's going to be hella frustrated at trial because us no good-Kiwis will be "getting away" with lying since they aren't mentioning us.

As pumped as everyone is for the trial, it's going to be one of the drier and most boring parts of the story because the system has safeguards in it to make it that way.

 

[Chan the Wizard]

Len does know the judge, prosecutor, and jury are all kiwis/members of the CBRR, right?
When everyone else is part of the conspiracy alleging conspiracy does no good.

 

[Pizza The Hutt]

As pumped as everyone is for the trial, it's going to be one of the drier and most boring parts of the story because the system has safeguards in it to make it that way.

As dry as it may be, it's the only part of this whole story that isn't filled with bullshit trolls or inform ants.

Plus it will piss Len off to no end when the judge gives him a dose of reality for once in his life and shuts down his conspiracy crap.

 

[Subconcious Offense]

Len does know the judge, prosecutor, and jury are all kiwis/members of the CBRR, right?

He has ignored every instance of someone mentioning this. I think that's his way of dealing with harsh truths. When he finds out something that he doesn't like, but he has no power to change, he copes by hiding from it and hoping it would just go away, like a fat retarded train chasing pedo ostrich.