Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[CiaphasCain]

Making an entire documentary about yourself is top tier narcissism 10/10

 

[teriyakiburns]

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Just watch how this woman thinks her life is a movie. And how did she get all this video of herself to score indiefilm music against?—by being a narcissist from the beginning. Anyway in her videos you'll notice she can't sit still; her behavior is mix of parkinsons-esque twitching and male mannerisms she's picked up consuming media. Which is bound to be a lot, as FtMs spend their time obsessively studying boys they want to be like and emulating their behavior.

so ftm transition means you become a teenage boy with a three-pack-a-day chainsmoker voice and pubes glued to your chin? she looks like an ugly lesbian. the face is always a give-away with these people.

 

[mario if smoke weed]

so ftm transition means you become a teenage boy with a three-pack-a-day chainsmoker voice and pubes glued to your chin? she looks like an ugly lesbian. the face is always a give-away with these people.

Every fucking FTM I've seen is that. It's the same story over and over, ad nauseum. It's not as painful to look at as the average MTF but it's definitely embarassing.

 

[DumbDude42]

And also, I think drug addiction causes some sort of morality decay. I mean, the shit he could rationalize was so bizarre. Every fucked up think had a logical explanation to him so obviously he could do no wrong. I guess when you’re addicted to drugs or ladyboners you come up with all sorts of reasons why it’s okay. It would explain how some of these troons can abandon their families and then pat themselves on the back.

good comparison
heroin addicts find ways to rationalize and justify behavior like stealing money from their own grandmother to buy dope, so i'm sure trannies can easily find ways to rationalize and justify stealing their sisters underwear

 

[Rapechu]

Random poll question.
What is the prevalence of autism in troons?

I'm not sure of the exact numbers, but it's quite high. I don't believe autistics are more likely to be a tranny by nature though. I've seen how the troons operate, they look for vulnerable people to groom. They are completely predatory, and autistics are just an easily manipulated demographic.

 

[Mal0]

I've already powerleveled too hard here, but since I was one of the first people on page one of the thread, may as well end off my story.

Gave my best friend one last chance, and he fucked it up. He's been on the estrogen pills for a while, and while he isn't getting GRS, he's getting consultations for a set of bolt on breasts. I found out not too long ago about that and honestly I just feel numb to it. I lost my brother a long time ago, that creature in a dress isn't the same buddy I used to do stupid shit with. Cut him off, told him how I felt, told him never to contact me again (not like we have spoken much at all to be honest). He cried and I felt bad until he called me a bigot. That's honestly when my empathy ran out for him. Not gonna lie, it felt weird as an adult telling someone they aren't my friend anymore like I was a first grader.

Anyways, still in contact with his family since they are basically my family. Occasionally pop on by his dads for a drink and a chat, I see his sisters often when I go out for a jog, and overall nothing has changed. They've come to terms with his choice and don't blame me for what I did. Obviously they are sad about me not being his friend, but can sympathize.

So that's it. He's off getting fake breasts, living as a NEET with friends outside the home the next town over, and here I am close by his family. Hell, I may even opt to spend Thanksgiving with his family instead since he has no plans of visiting his "bigoted" family ever again.

Clownworld is hilarious to watch when you are an audience member, but man does it suck when you get dragged into the act.

 

[Holdek]

Also no joking, but with some people, it might be helpful to mention that Abigail Schrier is Jewish, simply because that can forestall the inevitable "right wing propaganda" argument.

It didn't stop her book being banned from Target, and, temporarily, from Amazon (employees there screeched but were ultimately overruled by higher-ups).

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Thanks guys. This thread helped me with my anxiety of the Chinese attacking Taiwan and WW3 breaking out.
Now I ain't afraid no more because all these stories prove that we deserve some nuclear war and shit lol

 

[Marvin]

It didn't stop her book being banned from Target, and, temporarily, from Amazon (employees there screeched but were ultimately overruled by higher-ups).

It helps more with your average person than the corporate stooges. Like I think I specifically read some account by a suburban mom or grandma writing to her politicians, and she said something like "I'm concerned about them trooning out the girls, I heard that abigail shriers book was right wing nazi propaganda, but then I heard that she was jewish, so I gave it a chance". Like it sounds like the most asinine, stupid reason, but I think it might actually resonate with some people.

Or you'll just sound like a race/jew obsessed weirdo, idk.

 

[Crabbo]

I'm not sure of the exact numbers, but it's quite high. I don't believe autistics are more likely to be a tranny by nature though.

My thinking is that it's not by nature, but that due to the difficulty in translating social roles they find it easier to adopt one they observe on the other gender, which is why so many trans people resemble an insane stereotype of a gender.

The grooming you mentioned is another way they are trained into a role.

 

[Ser Prize]

So I've learned a few things since I thought my sister was being groomed by trannies. The first thing I learned is that she sought them out by choice and has allegedly "always felt this way". The second thing I learned was that almost ALL of her real life and online friends are trannies. And the third thing I learned is that this little friend/discord group is apparently also full of "wiccans".

So now my little sister thinks she's a man named Gabe who practices stupid made up witch craft.

 

[Aunt Carol]

So I've learned a few things since I thought my sister was being groomed by trannies. The first thing I learned is that she sought them out by choice and has allegedly "always felt this way". The second thing I learned was that almost ALL of her real life and online friends are trannies. And the third thing I learned is that this little friend/discord group is apparently also full of "wiccans".

So now my little sister thinks she's a man named Gabe who practices stupid made up witch craft.

That "always felt this way" might be retroactive. Examining your past for "clues" you were always trans is a group activity.

Weird choice in names for a manwitch.

 

[The Emperor Skeksis]

Anyways, still in contact with his family since they are basically my family. Occasionally pop on by his dads for a drink and a chat, I see his sisters often when I go out for a jog, and overall nothing has changed. They've come to terms with his choice and don't blame me for what I did. Obviously they are sad about me not being his friend, but can sympathize.

I'm glad to hear you still have your relationships with his family. Whatever your friend does in the future, at least you can continue or end those on your terms.

 

[Kiislova]

I've already powerleveled too hard here, but...

If its not too much asking, how is it going on the family side of things?

 

[behindyourightnow]

Random poll question.
What is the prevalence of autism in troons?

Autism is (for lack of a better word) deeper and more complex than a lot of people realize, and involves every system in the body and not just your personality/behavior. One very common thing in autism is a lack of body awareness, which manifests in stuff like problems with proprioception (awareness of your body in space). (If you know any autistic people, even high-functioning ones, look for how often they do things like bang a shoulder on a door frame when walking through it)

Proprioceptive Processing Difficulties Among Children With Autism Spectrum Disorders and Developmental Disabilities

Another example of this kind of physical disconnection is problems with pain processing:

In autism, brain responses to pain don’t match verbal ones | Spectrum | Autism Research News

People with autism show abnormal brain responses when a painfully hot object is placed against their skin.

www.spectrumnews.org

In other words, autistic people often aren't 'connected' to their bodies in the same way neurotypical people are. Combine that with the fact that even very intelligent autistic people are extremely vulnerable to manipulation and grooming (they tend to simply not realize when people are lying to them, or when they are being used for something), and it is very likely that autistic people will believe you if you tell them that their issues connecting with their own body are caused by their gender not matching their birth sex.

And no one is stopping people doing this. These days places like Reddit are basically just huge tranny conversion machines for young autists, and a lot of people actively get off on 'cracking eggs' and prompting them to troon out.

 

[Mal0]

If its not too much asking, how is it going on the family side of things?

His dad is heartbroken, seeing the two boys that spent their entire childhood with eachother grow apart, but he seems to be happy still that I'm still around. While I'm not trying to be his son, I'm trying to be something between a son and a friend, hence me popping by every once in a while. He's an old, show no emotion stoic type, but I know he's in pain. He just is pretending to be strong.

His sisters luckily have eachother for comfort. The pretend to be okay with it, but I am sure even my former friend can tell it's just an act. I can see the discomfort in their eyes, and they have hardly gone out in public with him since his transition, whereas before they would go out at least once a week to spend time with one another. Hell a few weeks ago one of them called me to help change their flat tire, rather than calling their former brother.

 

[The Keebler Elf]

Sometimes I wonder if a subset of Troons just have some addictive personality.

Whether it’s drugs, a person, a hobby… they have to have something to obsess over.

Tbh the behavior was really similar to a drug addiction. The personality shift, the lying. It probably felt natural to him to be in that kind of chaos again. Chasing that dopamine high.

Then again, I think his obsession with his lesbian best friend started first. I think if she had been straight, he would’ve just tried for a regular old affair and not tried to pull the transbian card.

And also, I think drug addiction causes some sort of morality decay. I mean, the shit he could rationalize was so bizarre. Every fucked up think had a logical explanation to him so obviously he could do no wrong. I guess when you’re addicted to drugs or ladyboners you come up with all sorts of reasons why it’s okay. It would explain how some of these troons can abandon their families and then pat themselves on the back.

I’m pretty sure one AGP was cured after he went on Wellbutrin - the same medication that helps with nicotine and gambling addiction.

Some people seem to try and "transition" because they personally fail to live up to ideal gender roles. If you look at someone like Narcissa Wright (I only know of Cosmo from the MATI stream), it's as if men that are weird or effeminate fail as being men and decide to try being women.

There are probably other factors, and it's a real shame because any research into what could cause people to troon out will never be done due to political correctness. If it was ever discovered that things like homosexuality and transgenderism were caused by sexual abuse as a child or mental illness (a theory that has now fallen out of style), these people would have to come to terms that they're damaged and it's not an identity. Another factor, imo, is narcissism. I think the biggest example of what's called autogynephilia (basically straight dudes thinking they would look hot if they were a female) is ContraPoints.

I think we're looking at a Dark Age where countless zoomers are going to be put in dresses and get fucked up psychologically by their retard parents. Maybe 50 or 60 years from now we'll learn just how badly modern medicine has fucked up society by affirming mental illness, but everything will be fucked going forward for decades.

 

[What the shit]

His dad is heartbroken, seeing the two boys that spent their entire childhood with eachother grow apart, but he seems to be happy still that I'm still around. While I'm not trying to be his son, I'm trying to be something between a son and a friend, hence me popping by every once in a while. He's an old, show no emotion stoic type, but I know he's in pain. He just is pretending to be strong.

His sisters luckily have eachother for comfort. The pretend to be okay with it, but I am sure even my former friend can tell it's just an act. I can see the discomfort in their eyes, and they have hardly gone out in public with him since his transition, whereas before they would go out at least once a week to spend time with one another. Hell a few weeks ago one of them called me to help change their flat tire, rather than calling their former brother.

Well, if you don't mind, we would appreciate you coming by once in a while and updating us about what's going on. I hope everything goes well in the future.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Some people seem to try and "transition" because they personally fail to live up to ideal gender roles.

I can anecdotally confirm this to a degree. One of the guys in my old gaming group (still bitter, oh well) occasionally expressed regret at being unable to live up to the ideal of his father who is apparently a real stoic, old-fashioned sort of guy, seriously hung up on being a man's man. Very outdoorsy, likes old cars and old rifles. Also an engineer of some sort, I believe. His son is in sciences and a bit of a twinky faggot. Has no idea how to fix anything mechanical at all and isn't interested learning how, nor in going hunting or camping. The mother died when he was young, so his perception of femininity is rooted in that traumatic loss, heavily idealised, and filtered through untouchable female figures in media.

As far as I can tell his only idea of masculinity is his father, who he doesn't share any commonality with, so he decided he must be feminine and came out as a tranny purely because of that. We were relatively close before the collective troonening. Out of all of them, I occasionally find myself wondering if I could have said something at the right moment to stop his descent.

 

[The Keebler Elf]

I can anecdotally confirm this to a degree. One of the guys in my old gaming group (still bitter, oh well) occasionally expressed regret at being unable to live up to the ideal of his father who is apparently a real stoic, old-fashioned sort of guy, seriously hung up on being a man's man. Very outdoorsy, likes old cars and old rifles. Also an engineer of some sort, I believe. His son is in sciences and a bit of a twinky faggot. Has no idea how to fix anything mechanical at all and isn't interested learning how, nor in going hunting or camping. The mother died when he was young, so his perception of femininity is rooted in that traumatic loss, heavily idealised, and filtered through untouchable female figures in media.

As far as I can tell his only idea of masculinity is his father, who he doesn't share any commonality with, so he decided he must be feminine and came out as a tranny purely because of that. We were relatively close before the collective troonening. Out of all of them, I occasionally find myself wondering if I could have said something at the right moment to stop his descent.

Personally, I don't think there's a lot you can do as someone's friend to talk them out of it. If it was something he strongly believed at the time, he probably would have rejected it. Chances are that he had some kind of "support group" that could have talked him into the idea, and would have affirmed his beliefs about being a woman even if you had said something. It makes a lot of sense for your friend to have a weird view on femininity because the loss of his mother, and I suppose that's another potential factor for why someone would believe they are the other sex. It kind of reminds me of Chris Chan; he had a bad relationship with Rob (from what little I know of Christory), had a strange attachment to his mother, and only had female friends. Perhaps with Chris, having women be good to him could have led him to believe he should be a woman too. I also have personal experience with the inverse; I had a female friend in high school, who I now believe is attempting to be a manlet.

With women I think it's different. Women, especially younger ones, are being socially engineered to become like men: have a job and only focus on your career. My friend was a tomboy, and she didn't feel like she wanted to do the kind of things women are expected to do by society: have a family, have children. I think that some women are attracted to transitioning because the mental gymnastics the trans lobby I guess you would call them have this fucked up view of what it means to be male and female. Basically they're saying, "If you don't fit these gender stereotypes, it's time for HRT because you're a tranny." I have no idea what she's up to now; she did go to college, so that probably fucked her up even more. Also, she was never formally diagnosed but she could have been autistic and seemed to believe she was herself.

I hope your friend's dad is okay. I can't imagine being a father and seeing your son go through something like that. I want to have children myself, but it seems incredibly risky. I wonder how much people deciding they're trans has to deal with being exposed to certain things online. I have a family member, who's only tangentially related, who's a zoomer that thinks he's a girl. I don't know personally, but I assume being online (maybe even on Discord specifically) resulted in him getting groomed.