Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Jean Lafitte 1812]

I've had the Singles vs Doubles debate with friends a couple of times. My preferred is the official 3v3 Singles formats. Only having 3 Pokemon means it's a lot harder to justify bringing something like a suicide Rocks lead or setting weather without the abilities or Trick Room. There's also item clause, which is why items like Heavy Duty Boots are so powerful: you can only run 1 Pokemon with them in official formats. Also forces some more creativity with items when you can't just spam the same 4 (HDB, Leftovers, Life Orb, Choice) items over and over.

I'd have preferred them to nerf Rocks so they bottom out at 1/2 damage but top out at 2x damage, but HDB is a really nice alternative to that.

 

[Wingnut]

I'd have preferred them to nerf Rocks so they bottom out at 1/2 damage but top out at 2x damage, but HDB is a really nice alternative to that.

If Stealth Rock was just Spikes but only for aerial Pokemon I think that would make for a healthier unofficial Singles metagame. The fact that they hit everything and have type effectiveness is ridiculous. Having a Pokemon start a fight at 50% because they are 4x weak to a move that has zero drawbacks and is extremely easy to set up or have to waste their item slot is just dumb.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

If Stealth Rock was just Spikes but only for aerial Pokemon I think that would make for a healthier unofficial Singles metagame. The fact that they hit everything and have type effectiveness is ridiculous. Having a Pokemon start a fight at 50% because they are 4x weak to a move that has zero drawbacks and is extremely easy to set up or have to waste their item slot is just dumb.

You're not really wasting an item slot with the HDB as there's still regular spikes, toxic spikes and sticky webs that it protects against.

As annoying as the rocks are to go against, I don't think they need a nerf. It's type effectiveness damage mechanic is what makes it a pretty unique hazard choice. Implementing the boots was a pretty nice work-around along with all the existing methods of removing hazards.

 

[Wingnut]

You're not really wasting an item slot with the HDB as there's still regular spikes, toxic spikes and sticky webs that it protects against.

My issue is that the Pokemon most punished by SR, and subsequently most likely to run HDB, are only affected by SR and not the regular ground based hazards, making HDB purely a SR negation tool.

As annoying as the rocks are to go against, I don't think they need a nerf. It's type effectiveness damage mechanic is what makes it a pretty unique hazard choice. Implementing the boots was a pretty nice work-around along with all the existing methods of removing hazards.

I agree HDB are a great item and have more use than purely a SR counter, but I think their damage output is too extreme for something that takes very little effort to get up. Taking 3 turns to set up maximum level Spikes only does 25%, but one turn of SR can do up to 50%. If SR even just required multiple layers but still hit 50% maximum I wouldn't be as opposed to them as a mechanic.

HDB was the best possible solution short of nerfing Rocks. It's unfortunate that even if they were removed entirely we'd probably just move back towards stall based teams so people could get up max layer Spikes with stuff like Skarmory. Smogon Singles seems to be obsessed with entry hazards to an unhealthy degree.

 

[TrippinKahlua]

Back in the day, I thought the design for the male DP protagonist was the most pathetic, childish design ever

He looks even more pathetic with those stubby arms.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

Never forget.
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Pokemon is very linear lmao, how do you have problems with this?

 

[Alexander Thaut]

The extreme autism that only trannies can have.

but it's specifically Hoenn, which practically has people screaming at you where to go.

 

[Disc]

Someone has a copy of BDSP.

Leaks from THAT pending.

Not from that directly, comparing recent trailers to initial ones shows there's been a very significant graphical upgrade, both in colouring, textures, and even animations:

Regarding PLA, the leaking I've been following has taken a very fun turn, if you're a Kiwi. by which I mean you've got backstabbing and tard-raging between the leakers.

The main source of leaks for PLA has been Nihilego Khu, aka Riddler Khu. His original leaks were my previously posted 12 image riddles.

Another leaker, Centro leaks, posted those riddles without context, which is how they got into the english fanbase as a whole, and claimed them as his own. This has lead to Khu getting pissed, and constantly in that ever so fun "I don't care now watch me post about this a million times each time saying how much I don't care"

However, we do have a pretty plausible final list of the pokemon getting new hisuian forms and evolutions. This is the image that Khu liked:

Spoiler: Spoilers, hopefully

Some variants replace basculin and lilligant with jynx, or add goomy or bergmite instead of other pokemon, but this contains the most common ones.

Perhaps the most wild one is that the new mythical is, in fact, a new UB.

 

[Lapis Lazuli]

Someone has a copy of BDSP.

Leaks from THAT pending.

Not from that directly, comparing recent trailers to initial ones shows there's been a very significant graphical upgrade, both in colouring, textures, and even animations:

Regarding PLA, the leaking I've been following has taken a very fun turn, if you're a Kiwi. by which I mean you've got backstabbing and tard-raging between the leakers.

The main source of leaks for PLA has been Nihilego Khu, aka Riddler Khu. His original leaks were my previously posted 12 image riddles.

Another leaker, Centro leaks, posted those riddles without context, which is how they got into the english fanbase as a whole, and claimed them as his own. This has lead to Khu getting pissed, and constantly in that ever so fun "I don't care now watch me post about this a million times each time saying how much I don't care"

However, we do have a pretty plausible final list of the pokemon getting new hisuian forms and evolutions. This is the image that Khu liked:

Spoiler: Spoilers, hopefully

Some variants replace basculin and lilligant with jynx, or add goomy or bergmite instead of other pokemon, but this contains the most common ones.

Perhaps the most wild one is that the new mythical is, in fact, a new UB.

I still doubt the starters are getting variants. They're not native to the Hisui region, they're imports.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

I still doubt the starters are getting variants. They're not native to the Hisui region, they're imports.

True, but that doesn't mean they don't have conditions they need to adapt to. I mean the main mechanic of pokemon is the fact that pokemon evolve.

 

[Love Machine]

I still doubt the starters are getting variants. They're not native to the Hisui region, they're imports.

Neither was zoroark, and look what happend.

 

[Disc]

Videos are going up and down.

I'm trying to find a source of information, and so far all it's taken me to is a discord server with a guy streaming bowser's fury while he and his friends discuss how many years back you'd have to go to find a fuckable Nancy Pelosi. Pray for me, Pokiwis.

Edit: There is apparently Midi versions of songs being played in the leaked copies, that had full renditions in the trailers leading up to it. People are assuming that the musical update will come in the day 1 patch.

 

[Rotollo 2]

I'm trying to find a source of information, and so far all it's taken me to is a discord server with a guy streaming bowser's fury while he and his friends discuss how many years back you'd have to go to find a fuckable Nancy Pelosi. Pray for me, Pokiwis.

Have these fags dump the nsp and I'll make it so we can make our own leaks, with blackjack and hookers

Edit: There is apparently Midi versions of songs being played in the leaked copies, that had full renditions in the trailers leading up to it. People are assuming that the musical update will come in the day 1 patch.

I know some people are trying to start a class action on /vp/ which is dumb, but I just wonder how does it even get to this point for the music, that stuff is usually one of the first thing finished for a game. seems like this might have been a rush job even more than usual Pokémon games were if they do actually have a remastered ost for patching.

 

[Disc]

Have these fags dump the nsp and I'll make it so we can make our own leaks, with blackjack and hookers

I know some people are trying to start a class action on /vp/ which is dumb, but I just wonder how does it even get to this point for the music, that stuff is usually one of the first thing finished for a game. seems like this might have been a rush job even more than usual Pokémon games were if they do actually have a remastered ost for patching.

Apparently it's already in the hands of at least one dataminer, Kurt/Kaphotics on twitter. It's only at a limited run at this point so getting it into the hands of someone who can and will dump takes time.

As for the music, it's... puzzling for me, to say the least. They have the songs, they're in the trailers, so... I don't know why these likely-review-copies have the placeholder versions.

Edit: With that said, they've clearly shown some placeholder stuff in trailers and then updated it later, so maybe they just don't care if it looks bad in the initial viewing if it looks good at the end?

 

[What the shit]

Spoiler: Spoilers, hopefully

Some variants replace basculin and lilligant with jynx, or add goomy or bergmite instead of other pokemon, but this contains the most common ones.

Perhaps the most wild one is that the new mythical is, in fact, a new UB.

Goodra as a dragon and steel? God dammit I was hoping Goodra would finally get that poison typing it rightfully deserves.

 

[McMitch]

Edit: With that said, they've clearly shown some placeholder stuff in trailers and then updated it later, so maybe they just don't care if it looks bad in the initial viewing if it looks good at the end?

Shield and Sword proved that they can absolutely get away with that.

 

[Rotollo 2]

All this shit with BDSP is a shame, I really liked the chibi style and the games did look like pretty unique reinventions of sinnoh from the trailers (at least compared to swsh and ORAS). maybe theres more data miners will discover or updates could add to this shit but I doubt it will be anything more than a music patch

Edit: With that said, they've clearly shown some placeholder stuff in trailers and then updated it later, so maybe they just don't care if it looks bad in the initial viewing if it looks good at the end?

Please understand, small indie marketing department

Shield and Sword proved that they can absolutely get away with that.

Yeah but wasn't the remastered osts one of the selling points they used in the reveal or one of the trailers? I cant find it but I swear it was one of the selling points they brought up

 

[ToroidalBoat]

I like how reviving monsters of the pocket from fossils is a Jurassic Park reference (I think).

 

[Dunsparce]

I like how reviving monsters of the pocket from fossils is a Jurassic Park reference (I think).

The original Red and Green Sugimori artwork for Old Amber even had a Mosquito in it.

 

[Rotollo 2]

The original Red and Green Sugimori artwork for Old Amber even had a Mosquito in it.

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Blaine is literally Doctor Hamond lmao