Kyle Rittenhouse Legal Proceedings - Come for the trial, stay for….

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[AnOminous]

They got copies for everyone day 1. First just the self defense pages, then the whole thing later in the day.
Edit: If the "foreman is the only holdout" theory is correct, that explains this nicely. Tried to change minds on self defense, then everything else when that didn't work.

It would be a mega-Karen move to have the only copy and then lie to the other jurors about what's in it. So that's what I believe happened. And after the other jurors got sick of that shit they asked for their own. I don't know why they didn't all get one in the first place, but whatever.

 

[BootlegPopeye]

Do we actually know it's a Karen holding up the verdict, or is that just social media speculation based on handwriting analysis of the note? For all we know that was done by a clerk. It seems like a lot of it just comes from Barnes and his bullshit whining because he didn't get to stay on the defense team.

 

[Make Anime Illegal]

It would be a mega-Karen move to have the only copy and then lie to the other jurors about what's in it. So that's what I believe happened. And after the other jurors got sick of that shit they asked for their own. I don't know why they didn't all get one in the first place, but whatever.

Couldn't she just refuse to ask for extra copies since she's the foreman?

 

[Evilronald]

Any of these 3 look like a Karen. “Kate” seems like a likely one.

 

[Puff]

If they say that then very well, but that's the only way someone could actually prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the provocation was deliberate.

>Provocation without intent requires an illegal act
Do you think if the situation was reversed that arson would have actually allowed for this standard to have been met?


The point is that it's clearly a law designed to give undue powers to those who control public opinion and by extension the definition of provocation.

Arson itself is considered a deadly threat in some cases, so poor choice of example.

Do we actually know it's a Karen holding up the verdict, or is that just social media speculation based on handwriting analysis of the note? For all we know that was done by a clerk. It seems like a lot of it just comes from Barnes and his bullshit whining because he didn't get to stay on the defense team.

Speculation based on what is likely with what we know about the jury, then a rumor started by Poso THEN the handwriting.

 

[Mike Stoklasas Spock Ears]

At this point, I think the foreman is punishing the other jurors by refusing to inform the judge the jury is hung. The jury foreman is by all accounts one of the diehard holdouts. They control questions and notes. Not sure if there is a procedure to replace the foreman, but I presume it’ll happen before long if nothing changes.

It’s definitely happened. IIRC the foreman in the Scott Peterson trial was kicked out by the rest of the jury because he was one of a couple holdouts.

 

[Collections Agent]

Do we actually know it's a Karen holding up the verdict, or is that just social media speculation based on handwriting analysis of the note? For all we know that was done by a clerk. It seems like a lot of it just comes from Barnes and his bullshit whining because he didn't get to stay on the defense team.

No normal person would hold their ground this long

 

[make_it_so]

damn he should have gotten into a LE EBIN fist fight with ethan ralph considering his height

He'd still have an unfair height advantage over Ralph.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Do we actually know it's a Karen holding up the verdict, or is that just social media speculation based on handwriting analysis of the note? For all we know that was done by a clerk. It seems like a lot of it just comes from Barnes and his bullshit whining because he didn't get to stay on the defense team.

Literally the only thing we have to try and back it up is while the Defense said Kyle "dropped" the fire extinguisher, the Prosecution said he "put down" the fire extinguisher and the latter is the term the note has, personally I have some doubts the Karen is the Foreman, if only because the Jury would be unlikely to have the Foreman be a Guilty hardliner while they supposedly have a Not Guilty supermajority, and if the Guilty voters are actually the supermajority that's really bad news for Kyle.

 

[Evilronald]

Carol Fucking Baskin is trying to throw another innocent man in jail!

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Barnes just leaked that the forewoman named Karen who is definitely trying to convince the rest of the jury that Rittenhouse is guilty has a shoe size of 7.5 and her favorite color is green.

Only in a Clown World is this possible.

 

[ForTheHoard]

Do we actually know it's a Karen holding up the verdict, or is that just social media speculation based on handwriting analysis of the note? For all we know that was done by a clerk. It seems like a lot of it just comes from Barnes and his bullshit whining because he didn't get to stay on the defense team.

I think it's from the foreman. The clerk wouldn't misspell Rosenbaum's name and wouldn't have had to make a correction for forgetting to write "Mr."

 

[Mr Bunny]

Do we actually know it's a Karen holding up the verdict, or is that just social media speculation based on handwriting analysis of the note? For all we know that was done by a clerk. It seems like a lot of it just comes from Barnes and his bullshit whining because he didn't get to stay on the defense team.

It's all speculation.
The demographic of the jury is
7 White women
4 White men
1 Hispanic man

It's more likely a "Karen" holdout due to the demographic that is mostly against Kyle being white women, they're also the most supportive.

 

[karadion]

Do we actually know it's a Karen holding up the verdict, or is that just social media speculation based on handwriting analysis of the note? For all we know that was done by a clerk. It seems like a lot of it just comes from Barnes and his bullshit whining because he didn't get to stay on the defense team.

I don't know the legal team building history of Kyle's defense team but what's the connection between Barnes and the Rittenhouse team other than what we've heard from Barnes himself. Was he actually on the defense team?

 

[Puff]

Literally the only thing we have to try and back it up is while the Defense said Kyle "dropped" the fire extinguisher, the Prosecution said he "put down" the fire extinguisher and the latter is the term the note has, personally I have some doubts the Karen is the Foreman, if only because the Jury would be unlikely to have the Foreman be a Guilty hardliner while they supposedly have a Not Guilty supermajority, and if the Guilty voters are actually the supermajority that's really bad news for Kyle.

A thought. Everyone seemed happy on the jury at the end of the day. Guilty-bros would be losing their minds at a single NG holdout. More confirmation bias evidence we're right!

 

[anionfarflung]

No normal person would hold their ground this long

I was about to disagree with you, but then I realized that I'm probably not normal: I would hang that jury if it was 11 guilty vs me NOT guilty on ANY counts.

Edit for PS: I like to hope that there is at least one me (and most of us probably) on that jury. We only need one to get a meh-at-worst result.

 

[entropino]

"any remotely civilised nation"
God I fucking hate Euros...

Imagine sharing a country with them

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

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I'm so confused. If I was a juror I would want to skin whoever is holding this up alive. Are they just dragging it out for teh lulz? Why is everybody so lackadaisical about this (including the defense)??

Assuming this is accurate - This actually bodes really well.

A jury that was genuinely considering sending a maybe innocent man to jail (doubt and all that), was being pressured by fear of outside action, or felt that they might otherwise be making a mistake or going against their principles would likely appear more stressed, rattled, distant, etc.

A jury leaning towards conviction with a holdout would probably have one or two obviously upset individuals, what with them feeling hard forced into sending what they feel is an innocent man to jail for life.

A jury thats pretty chill and smiles sounds like one rules lawyer is being an ass and everyone is just done with it, but have no worry because they're not about to maybe fuck up and send someone to jail. This strikes me more as "Lulz whatever, he's walking, I ain't stressing it", with the holdout being more "high and mighty I am right about everything" and not "Holy shit you can't do this this guy is evil what the fuck". Easy to maintain a high air and happy attitude when its that - Just look at the average corporate HR department.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Here's my two cents, someone on the Jury thinks the Bigfoot footage definitely shows him raising his rifle, and the rest of the jury has been trying to convince them that even if he did, he made enough of an effort to deescalate and retreat from the situation that he regained the right to self defense, I don't buy the Karen Foreman theory.