Plagued Nice Guys

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I never got how being nice magically entitles you to sex. And that's all Nice Guys want. They want a live in sex toy. They're not interested in a real relationship, and they'd have no idea what to do if a woman wanted one. Seriously, since these dudes all want sex, just hire an escort who does girlfriend experience dates and be happy cause unless they have a massive attitude shift, they're never getting a real girlfriend.

A tip to the neckbeards: if you're geniunely kind (not nice, kind) and treat women like people, you may still get friendzoned, and that's ok. If you don't act like a douche after that happens, you may get promoted out of it. And if you don't, move on. Also, don't have unrealistic standards. If you're overweight, and scruffy looking, you're probably not gonna get the supermodel. If all you're looking for is an attractive sex partner, again, hire a hooker. Real life isn't fair, and just because a woman isn't model material doesn't mean she isn't an awesome person.
 
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Cosmos said:
I came across this really interesting write-up about friendzoning from the friendzoner herself- or rather, the person who's been girlfriendzoned.

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BRB starting smoking to impress women...there's some chump that's gonna do it.

Seriously, though, maybe she doesn't want him picking up the habit by being around her. Like the story earlier about the girl with AIDS who didn't want to give it to the guy she turned down.

Seriously, guys need to stop pretending and say yeah I'm sexually interested in you. So fucking what if she says no?

Though to be fair, in this politically correct society, so many guys are afraid of sexual harassment charges for simply asking a girl out. I doubt it would hold up to scrutiny, but the fear is there for some.
 
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Bitching about the friendzone is basically bitching about women not telepathically picking up the fact that you want to fuck them based on you treating her like a human being.

Also, I AM NOW GOING TO COMMIT KIWI-HERESY AND BREAK THE CIRCLEERK WITH A SURPRISING WELL WRITTEN ARTICLE IN DEFENSE OF "Nice Guys".

http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/31/radicalizing-the-romanceless/
 
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xXRonPaul_42016Xx said:
Also, I AM NOW GOING TO COMMIT KIWI-HERESY AND BREAK THE CIRCLEERK WITH A SURPRISING WELL WRITTEN ARTICLE IN DEFENSE OF "Nice Guys".

http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/31/radicalizing-the-romanceless/
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Not really. That guy is more or less right about the utter shits on both sides of the feminism/MRA spectrum. Both of which routinely get bashed here pretty savagely. You won't see that guy in a lolcow thread here, because he won't be on sites with names like sluthate posting fantasies about going on shooting sprees, raping 12 year olds, and the other shit that goes on in those places.
 
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SamTheEagle said:
I also agreed with some of his points, but saying "alpha male" was a red flag for me. I can't take people seriously when they're labeling themselves and others as alpha or beta. Combine that with all this talk about what "all women" want, how best to attract and pick them up, and generally acting like women are a separate species from men, I get MRA/PUA vibes.

He's got some good points, but I felt like I had to wade through some garbage to get to them.
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Calling yourself an "alpha male" is probably one of the biggest mistakes you can make while dating. You don't get to make that judgment anyway. While the guy does make some good points, he is extremely fixated on "being confident" and "being masculine" until he's blue in the face from saying it.

I understand where he's coming from and all, but I honestly don't see his article actually helping anybody. It says a lot about how "you need to have her attracted to you" but it doesn't actually explain how you can make yourself more attractive to women, or why women are attracted to the types of guys they are, often in spite of their bad qualities.

In a way, it kind of reminds me of A-Log trying to do stand-up: he talks about how things are and his opinions, but doesn't actually explain why, which is somewhat important in the grand scheme of things.

Edit: The article certainly puts an emphasis on confidence and masculinity, but it doesn't actually do anything to explain to its target audience how to do things that will make you feel more confident and masculine. Not sure it would help anyway, the Nice Guys it's addressing seem to see women and dating as means to an end, rather than as people with their own needs, or a way to find out what you like and don't like. And sex as an achievement, rather than an activity for people attracted to each other to enjoy. They often feel they need to deceive people in order to get it as well.

There is, however, a silver lining to that article that I agree with. DUMP THE PORN.

Don't question me on this, just dump the porn. It's not real, it gives guys the wrong idea about what sex really is, and a lot of Nice Guys are hypocrites who put on this fake persona out in public, while privately jerking it to women in porn, for the exact same reasons that real women are attracted to guys that are not them.

I hate to say it, but sometimes you need to look into a mirror to see exactly what's wrong with you.
 
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I know this was a while back, but I am still marveling over it. "My dad owns a Wal-Mart". No he doesn't, Wal-Marts are all corporate owned, they're not franchises. His dad is probably a manager at one, and he thinks that's "owning" one. I would have really liked to see how that ended.
 
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Most woman nowadays don't want to be put on a pedestal. It's actually dehumanizing, and an instant turn off for normal people. Also, when a girl tells you she has a boyfriend, that means she's not interested. If you immediately try to bash him as some of the guys here do, you don't have to worry about being friendzoned, you'll fit nicely into the enemyzone.
 
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