Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

Business-sense wise JDA/Quaff's manga makes sense for a lot reasons - it capitalizes on the the sudden surge in Jon's platform (normally, to his credit, he likes to have months of work on the comic in the can before launching a campaign) and allows both parties to sell back issues of Deus Vult and Shotgun Samurai (both having very good reasons for wanting to boost sales of already created material).

Most importantly, it throws Quaff a lifeline from repeating what happened with Ciderhype with a much needed infusion of cash after Shotgun Samurai's underwhelming $12,000 take for 5 years of off and on work drawing 200 pages and a year of campaigning under the questionable guidance of talent agent Testefy-HD.

Thematically though it still makes no sense to me, because the overlap between the target audience for 1970s Ditko/Buscema tributes like Jesse White-drawn Deus Vult and the audience for teenage isekai manga (I'd imagine) is zero.

Yes, I needed a quick "fill in" campaign while my next big epic OVERMIND gets completed cuz the art ended up taking a lot longer than I thought. We've attempted to recreate the care and feel of 1970s-80s Valerian & Laureline Bandes dessinees with it, which it turns out is a lot of work to get it right and have it be as beautiful as those. Not only do I have that classic feel which my audience loves on it but it's also sci-fi so I think we're gonna hit big big numbers on that. I've got a few experiments I'm going to try with this campaign as well because I'm always trying new things artistically. We've got a vision and direction I'm very excited about and the comic readers will be too.

There are, as you say, a lot of new people who are around who wanted deus vult as well. We've sold nearly another 100 copies of the book. It's getting close to doing Flying Sparks numbers which I'm very happy about.

Thematically, I just wanted to have fun. So did the Quaff. Wasn't an audience calculation was just a us doing what we love. Sometimes as artists you just gotta do that.

Also, Liam has reported my IndieGoGo campaign for a THIRD time this morning. He's trying so hard to get us taken down.
 
"If comics were originally apolitical, how do you explain X-Men an allegory for the civil rights movement? ."

This comes up sometimes. Its not really true that X-men was created an allegory for the civil rights movement. Stan
Lee did say that a few times, but there is no basis for it. The most likely origin for the x-men was that the Marvel Publisher (Martin
Goodman) ordered Stan Lee to create a series that would look like DC's recently launched Doom Patrol. Both books featured
teams of misfit superheros led by a man in a wheelchair with one fighting "the brotherhood of evil" and the other fighting
"the brotherhood of evil mutants".

The biggest influence on the unique aspects of early X-men was a 1950s scifi book called "Children of the Atom" and movies like
"Village of the damned". The story premise was always the "dangerous children" with super-powers that their parents generation
couldn't deal with and were afraid of. It was a story rooted more in baby-boom angst in the 1960s about teenagers than civil rights.

That said, the early marvel comics were anything but apolitical. A large percentage of Marvel's total output in the first years were
stories about fighting communists, communism and communist super-villains. Both Chinese and Russian. The origin of Iron Man
set in the middle of the Vietnam War was exceptionally political. Stan Lee was no liberal in those years.

But Stan Lee changed somewhat. By 1966, he wrote a story about what amounted to the KKK in Avengers (Avengers 32). But his KKK was
controlled by Chinese Communists. He introduced the Black Panther that same year.

Toward the very end of his active career writing comics, he went left in Captain America (1971). He brought in the Falcon as a
series regular and a made him a social worker in Harlem. Captain America himself became a moralizing guilty white man police
officer. And together they were going to go after the drug dealers and such. But it was still rather politically mild.
 
This topic is being discussed over on this thread: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/preston-poulter-et-al-v-ali-dean-assaf-et-al-2021.91503/

Try not to mess up the ComicsGate thread with your valid questions of whether or not Vikki and Dean stole that GoFundMe money, when you can ask about it there.
I couldn't agree with you more. This thread is for poking fun at CG 24/7. Consistent with every other Community Watch thread, so your "movement" isn't really being treated any different here.

The OTHER thread is spiraling into one where a certain amount of reality comes crashing through the wall like Kool Aid Man, and we discover that anti-CG can be pretty fucking retarded and scummy too.

One thing that is not lawsuit-related that probably belongs in this thread: Where the fuck are they getting this shit that you're going back to work for D.C. Comics? I haven't seen a single scintilla of evidence for that. Just innuendo.
 
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One thing that is not lawsuit-related that probably belongs in this thread: Where the fuck are they getting this shit that you're going back to work for D.C. Comics? I haven't seen a single scintilla of evidence for that. Just innuendo.

I believe he did a tweet related to Todd McFarlane(?) doing something for DC and made some vague comment which was taken by others as suggesting he might do the same thing. Then it
turned into a rumor that spread out from there without context. I'm not interested enough to look up the tweet. This is just what I remember. But tweet -> tweet interpretation -> stream -> rumor
-> story treated as fact .......is a typical comicsgate path.
 
I believe he did a tweet related to Todd McFarlane(?) doing something for DC and made some vague comment which was taken by others as suggesting he might do the same thing. Then it
turned into a rumor that spread out from there without context. I'm not interested enough to look up the tweet. This is just what I remember. But tweet -> tweet interpretation -> stream -> rumor
-> story treated as fact .......is a typical comicsgate path.
So basically, right now, the people peddling this have about as much credibility as this?

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Got it.

I get this is a shitposting site, but I know even truth is valued (and insisted upon) here, as it is elsewhere. There's a difference between "haha... look at what this faggot actually did," and simply smearing somebody to create FUD.
 
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I think you might also misapprehend what isekai is. The whole point is "fish out of water." A Japanese high school girl sent back to the time of the Crusades fits squarely within the genre. There's no crossover with Buscema here. Buscema's characters were of their own time/universe. Conan himself is a product of the Hyborian Age.
Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say (poorly) - the target demo that would be interested in a 1970s DC Comics sword and sorcery/John Buscema tribute like Deus Vult are usually in their late 40s/early 50s, or are niche collectors like Jon, while isekai manga starring high school girls is a very current genre popular among teens. There is no real crossover (as far as I can see) of people into Deus Vult that isekai would really appeal to, so it begs the question of why tie the two comics together in the first place.



I'm late I know but why does Quartering care what EVS thinks? Frosk would be a big draw for his channel yet he decided to drop her so he could have a gay beef with a comic book artist?
An outsider like Frosk attacking the anti-sjw base as self-hating coomers is great for Jeremy; it allows him to rally said base around the shared victimhood and place himself as their champion (and vice versa as far as Frosk goes). An insider like Frog appealing to the people that make up Quartering's audience by arguing that there are more meaningful and effective ways of resisting woke culture beyond consuming it and getting mad strikes me as less great for Jeremy and something he'd like to keep away from his followers as much as possible.

While at first both sides found common ground and built an audience by voicing their dissatisfaction with the state of mainstream pop culture, they differed in approaches; Quartering (and others), by building their platforms by loudly complaining about whatever the algorithm directs to them until their channels reach such a size that their voices become unignorable (or they just retire with their wealth), whereas Comicsgate (after criticism & boycott of Marvel & DC failed to produce measurable change) works towards providing an alternative (in theory).

In time however it became clear these goals were mutually exclusive: if people actually stop watching Disney/WB slop and move on to alternative media for their entertainment, guys like Quartering and Nerdrotic are out of a job. Unsurprisingly, the pretexts for these guys to stop supporting alternatives became increasingly thin. Likewise, if people just continue to angrily anti-consoom whatever slop Disney is putting out this week and express their displeasure of CW's Batwoman in the form of superchats to Quartering/FNT/G+G while they jerk each other off playing Mariokart or whatever, then there is no customer base for the creation of any alternative culture, venue for blacklisted creators and, ultimately, no impetus for change or challenging of the status quo beyond impotent, performative and easily ignored complaints from powerless zeroes. When Frog starts pointing things like this out, the response is generally along the lines of this:


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Mainstream comics industry update: Whole lot of New 52 hardcovers filling up the local dollar stores lately; presumably the major bookstore chains have to throw out as many of these unsellable things as possible to make more room for manga and it's cheaper than sending them off to the landfill. Even at $3 a unit though they seem to be clogging up the shelves. I'm not sure if the dollar store has decisively defeated Comicsgate yet; while the prices are far more competitive there's still around the same number of crackheads milling about.

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Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say (poorly) - the target demo that would be interested in a 1970s DC Comics sword and sorcery/John Buscema tribute like Deus Vult are usually in their late 40s/early 50s, or are niche collectors like Jon, while isekai manga starring high school girls is a very current genre popular among teens. There is no real crossover (as far as I can see) of people into Deus Vult that isekai would really appeal to, so it begs the question of why tie the two comics together in the first place.
To potentially make more money and get more exposure from somebody who would like both? Regardless of how rare or not rare we want to argue such a consumer may be.

Bottom line is I don't think it's the slightest bit detrimental to the campaign, because you can just buy the isekai thing for $15 (physical) and not the bundle.

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I'd agree with you if he FORCED a bundle with Deus Vault, but Jon seems smart enough to not do that (possibly in agreement with what you and I are saying). And the price for the isekai thing alone seems fair.
 
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Mainstream comics industry update: Whole lot of New 52 hardcovers filling up the local dollar stores lately; presumably the major bookstore chains have to throw out as many of these unsellable things as possible to make more room for manga and it's cheaper than sending them off to the landfill. Even at $3 a unit though they seem to be clogging up the shelves. I'm not sure if the dollar store has decisively defeated Comicsgate yet; while the prices are far more competitive there's still around the same number of crackheads milling about.

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The Ollies/Biglots/Discount stores have been clogged with unsellable DC and Marvel comics for years, at least in my area. It's kind of depressing when a comic shop is trying to sell graphic novels for $25 - $30 and on the other side of the mall they are in a bulk buyout store for literally 90% off and stacked to the ceiling. Even low IQ CG retards on the internet can win against those odds.
 
The Ollies/Biglots/Discount stores have been clogged with unsellable DC and Marvel comics for years, at least in my area. It's kind of depressing when a comic shop is trying to sell graphic novels for $25 - $30 and on the other side of the mall they are in a bulk buyout store for literally 90% off and stacked to the ceiling. Even low IQ CG retards on the internet can win against those odds.
Yeah, but @Mister Dongs is 100% right. In today's market, manga über alles. Just apply the Ricky Bobby aphorism: "If you're not first..." They're not fire selling that shit to make room for Cyberfrog and whatnot.

SJWs and anti-SJWs fling shit at each other on the Internet, and some based ninja, who just does not give a single solitary fuck about any of this... rushes in the room, lops everybody's head off, and then steals the keys to the kingdom. I dunno why I find that funny, but I do. It probably has to do with the fact it really makes both sides look like idiots. Twice as many factions to poke fun at.
 
I don't think it's entirely fair to pair the content creators and grifters. Content creators are pretty honest about not really being into the culture war beyond the limited capacity of the subjects they talk about, and it's pretty clear that most of them are centrists, or even 90's liberal, while people like Quarterpounder, TUG, G&G, etc, go hard on the culture war talking points all the time, but engage in the same corporate slop consoomerism as the average normie and usually recoil from anything right wing that gets remotely spicy or edgy.

I find the former to be a lot more tolerable. They're honest about who they are and what they're doing.
Yes, I agree, I just had to add Content Creators in there at the last moment. They are not exactly the same but they are not "True Believers"

"If comics were originally apolitical, how do you explain X-Men an allegory for the civil rights movement? ."

This comes up sometimes. Its not really true that X-men was created an allegory for the civil rights movement. Stan
Lee did say that a few times, but there is no basis for it. The most likely origin for the x-men was that the Marvel Publisher (Martin
Goodman) ordered Stan Lee to create a series that would look like DC's recently launched Doom Patrol. Both books featured
teams of misfit superheros led by a man in a wheelchair with one fighting "the brotherhood of evil" and the other fighting
"the brotherhood of evil mutants".

The biggest influence on the unique aspects of early X-men was a 1950s scifi book called "Children of the Atom" and movies like
"Village of the damned". The story premise was always the "dangerous children" with super-powers that their parents generation
couldn't deal with and were afraid of. It was a story rooted more in baby-boom angst in the 1960s about teenagers than civil rights.

That said, the early marvel comics were anything but apolitical. A large percentage of Marvel's total output in the first years were
stories about fighting communists, communism and communist super-villains. Both Chinese and Russian. The origin of Iron Man
set in the middle of the Vietnam War was exceptionally political. Stan Lee was no liberal in those years.

But Stan Lee changed somewhat. By 1966, he wrote a story about what amounted to the KKK in Avengers (Avengers 32). But his KKK was
controlled by Chinese Communists. He introduced the Black Panther that same year.

Toward the very end of his active career writing comics, he went left in Captain America (1971). He brought in the Falcon as a
series regular and a made him a social worker in Harlem. Captain America himself became a moralizing guilty white man police
officer. And together they were going to go after the drug dealers and such. But it was still rather politically mild.
I believe Stan Lee was a liberal of his time, meaning he saw the Communists as a different shade of fascists.

But X-Men as a civil rights allegory sucks. There was a video by Comics, by Perch where he recounts all minorities as an example of "you don't worry if they blow your house up". Wish I could find it, only to see if he ever mentions Arabs in it...
 
I couldn't agree with you more. This thread is for poking fun at CG 24/7. Consistent with every other Community Watch thread, so your "movement" isn't really being treated any different here.

The OTHER thread is spiraling into one where a certain amount of reality comes crashing through the wall like Kool Aid Man, and we discover that anti-CG can be pretty fucking retarded and scummy too.

One thing that is not lawsuit-related that probably belongs in this thread: Where the fuck are they getting this shit that you're going back to work for D.C. Comics? I haven't seen a single scintilla of evidence for that. Just innuendo.
@FROG has posted some of his fucking phenomenal DC work which may have inspired some people to dream of glories past but he put that to bed. DC would only be so lucky to have EVS back with Johns doing anything.
 
DC would only be so lucky to have EVS back with Johns doing anything.
He's making way too much money doing the CG grift and selling frog books on eBay to ever go back to any mainstream gig, no matter how revolutionary John's idea may be. He's now used to a "deadline" that requires a single book to be released every couple years. He works leisurely at his own pace and makes way more money, plus is the head of his own personal fiefdom. Not to mention the royalty checks that come in. No way FROG ever works for the mainstream again.
 
SJWs and anti-SJWs fling shit at each other on the Internet, and some based ninja, who just does not give a single solitary fuck about any of this... rushes in the room, lops everybody's head off, and then steals the keys to the kingdom. I dunno why I find that funny, but I do. It probably has to do with the fact it really makes both sides look like idiots. Twice as many factions to poke fun at.
It's cathartic because the based ninja in question represents a honest creative paradigm and his overwhelming success stands as a testament to the idea that condescendingly masquerading ones personal ideals as entertainment will never surpass...genuinely just trying to entertain people. Go figure. It's something we were already fairly certain about around here, but the ninja provided sweeping statistical confirmation.
Granted, manga has it's own issues to tackle. There's definitely a problem when your average mangaka is a manic ball of stress with three hours of spare time per week and the posture of a jumbo shrimp. But these are the results of societal issues that are frankly way above my paygrade to resolve.
 
He's making way too much money doing the CG grift and selling frog books on eBay to ever go back to any mainstream gig, no matter how revolutionary John's idea may be. He's now used to a "deadline" that requires a single book to be released every couple years. He works leisurely at his own pace and makes way more money, plus is the head of his own personal fiefdom. Not to mention the royalty checks that come in. No way FROG ever works for the mainstream again.
That's why I said DC would be lucky. Extremely lucky.
 
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To potentially make more money and get more exposure from somebody who would like both? Regardless of how rare or not rare we want to argue such a consumer may be.

Bottom line is I don't think it's the slightest bit detrimental to the campaign, because you can just buy the isekai thing for $15 (physical) and not the bundle.

Definitely not. I had to -explain- the campaign several times though before it really started to take off which is possibly my own fault.

Regardless, we've now sold 50 copies of the "Korean Mangr" Edition which I've advertised as completely unreadable with printing errors galore and the pages out of order. Liam must be seething so hard right now lol.
 
There's definitely a problem when your average mangaka is a manic ball of stress with three hours of spare time per week and the posture of a jumbo shrimp. But these are the results of societal issues that are frankly way above my paygrade to resolve.
It's cultural. They're workaholics. Higher than average suicide rate unfortunately goes with it.

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That said, it bears repeating that CG kinda has the opposite problem. So many of them are lazy fucks. They don't need to be nearly as extreme as Japan, but damn people... stop watching skanks pee on livestreams. Even Japan doesn't spend that much time being unproductively degenerate, and they're notorious for making the weirdest pr0n you've ever seen.
 
It's cathartic because the based ninja in question represents a honest creative paradigm and his overwhelming success stands as a testament to the idea that condescendingly masquerading ones personal ideals as entertainment will never surpass...genuinely just trying to entertain people. Go figure. It's something we were already fairly certain about around here, but the ninja provided sweeping statistical confirmation.
Granted, manga has it's own issues to tackle. There's definitely a problem when your average mangaka is a manic ball of stress with three hours of spare time per week and the posture of a jumbo shrimp. But these are the results of societal issues that are frankly way above my paygrade to resolve.
Really, the funniest part is Japan isn’t even trying. Obviously, manga is not made with Western audiences in mind, and the Japanese execs only started caring about said Western audiences when the chinks and the Koreans started looking like more serious cultural competitors.

A more accurate metaphor would be that Marvel/DC and CG are two rival anthills warring for dominance, and one day a based ninja walks by and unknowingly crushes both anthills into the dust while on his way to kill some chinks and Koreans, the matters of ants far beneath his notice.
 
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Really, the funniest part is Japan isn’t even trying. Obviously, manga is not made with Western audiences in mind, and the Japanese execs only started caring about said Western audiences when the chinks and the Koreans started looking like more serious cultural competitors.

A more accurate metaphor would be that Marvel/DC and CG are two rival anthills warring for dominance, and one day a based ninja walks by and unknowingly crushes both anthills into the dust while on his way to kill some chinks and Koreans, the matters of ants far beneath his notice.
I’d again bring up that Marvel/DC don’t really give a shit about the actual comics themselves these days, as they do about the content farm to adaptation pipeline of theirs.

However, that just makes CG even more pathetic: They’re trying to replace a literal open fucking vacuum of space, and still can’t do it.
 
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