Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Troons are less than 1% of the US population and probably represented even less than that in the military. Why are you people obsessed with them?

They're the ones that set the policy for everyone else.

 

[FightenGnome]

Troons are less than 1% of the US population and probably represented even less than that in the military. Why are you people obsessed with them?

I'm not obsessed with them but they are the perfect physical, and emotional, personification of Western pop culture. A sterile mass of flesh reliant on spending thousands of dollars to artificially resemble what they are not and adopting not a single authentic identity in exchange for a fictional one and everyone can see it but is expected to praise it or else they get punished and what does the troon typically tend to do? Invade entertainment circles to aggressively police political correctness and/or spread degeneracy.

Each one of them is America's own Triumph of the Will, a perfect propaganda piece of the values of 2020s America.

 

[NoSpiceLife]

And in 50 years when we're being surveilled by WeChat? What, you're saying we might lose our domestic freedoms if the U.S. is no longer the top dog? Motherfucker, we're losing our domestic freedoms right fucking now!

Speaking of losing our freedoms right now...

This fucking tool is projecting so hard he's...

Australia was done for a while ago, this just cements it.

 

[Richardface]

Oh wow, looks like Russia can fuck up microchip supply even more (amongst other things). Turns out they are a significant country and you can't just cut them out of the world economy without consequence wow who could have predicted this

Striking back: Putin has his own card to play after being hit by sanctions

The White House has been slow to wake up to the counter-strike capability of Russia, which has the power to hobble key industries in the US and Europe.

www.smh.com.au

OPINION
Striking back: Putin has his own card to play after being hit by sanctions

The wishful thinking has begun. Core Europe is already persuading itself that Vladimir Putin will be sated with Donetsk and Luhansk, allowing European companies to keep selling Gucci bags and BMWs to Russia in exchange for commodities — after a stern lecture on international law, of course.

The US, UK, and Poland have reached the opposite conclusion, strongly suspecting that the military occupation of the Donbas is the springboard for a full invasion of Ukraine.

Bear in mind what Putin has lost by this action: he has killed the Minsk accord and therefore ended the possibility of controlling Kyiv’s foreign and security policy through the veto power of these two puppet regions.

If he left it there, he would emerge from this crisis in a weaker strategic position.

This stretches credulity, since two-thirds of the Russian army is coiled for a strike on the border, with little to stop them except Ukraine’s valiant but ill-armed reservists.

Mr Putin is not even hiding his intention.

As he said in his diatribe on Monday, Ukraine was an artificial creation of the Bolsheviks after Brest-Litovsk in 1917 and “never had a tradition of genuine statehood”.

The Munich security summit over the weekend was a love-fest of transatlantic unity, a choreographed effort to show that all key countries agree on far-reaching sanctions if he attacks.

The words “massive” and “devastating” were repeated ad nauseam, as if it were an agreed script.

But this Potemkin unity is unlikely to alter the Kremlin calculus. The West cannot activate serious measures because it risks an asymmetric response - a lighter variant of “mutual assured destruction” from the Cold War.

Even if the strategic deal between Russia and China at the Beijing Winter Olympics is overstated, Xi must have given Putin a green light of sorts over Ukraine.

It is already well understood that Europe is a captive of Russian gas, and dares not eject Russia from the Swift system of international payments because it would suffer a more immediate crisis than fortress Russia itself.

Less understood is the technology angle.

Washington professes to have a killer weapon that avoids such a risk of blowback and will therefore cause Putin to hesitate: it threatens to cut off Russian access to the global market for semiconductor chips.

This would be the modern equivalent of a 20th century oil embargo, since chips are the critical fuel of the electronic economy.

It would gradually asphyxiate Russia’s advanced industries and would in theory reduce Putin’s regime to a stunted technological dwarf.

But this too is a dangerous game. Putin has the means to cut off critical minerals and gases needed to sustain the West’s supply chain for semiconductor chips, upping the ante in the middle of a worldwide chip crunch.

Furthermore, he could hobble the aerospace and armaments industry in the US and Europe by restricting supply of titanium, palladium and other metals.

If he controlled Ukraine, his control over key strategic minerals would be even more dominant, giving him leverage akin to Opec’s energy stranglehold in 1973.

The Kremlin could unleash an inflation shock every bit as violent as the first oil crisis, with a recession to match.

The White House has been slow to wake up to Russia’s counter-strike capability. It did not canvass US semiconductor companies on the risk until the critical materials firm Techcet revealed the extent of US dependency on Russian supply of C4F6 gas, neon, palladium and scandium.

Some 90 per cent of the world supply of neon, used as laser gas for chip lithography, comes from Russia and Ukraine. Two-thirds of this is purified for the global market by one company in Odessa. There are other long-term sources of neon in Africa but that is irrelevant in the short run.

Techcet said Russian C4F6 gas was used for etching node logic devices. Palladium is used for sensors, plating material and computer memory.

The world’s biggest producer of titanium is VSMPO-AVISMA, located in the “Titanium Valley” of western Siberia.

It is owned by Rostec, the state conglomerate controlled by Sergey Chemezov, an ex-KGB operative who served with Putin in East Germany. Russia and Ukraine together account for 30 per cent of the global supply of titanium, but this understates their hegemony over the production chain.

VSMPO-AVISMA supplies 35 per cent of Boeing’s titanium, mostly for 737, 767, 777, and 787 jets. It is used in engines, fans, disks and frames, prized for its resistance to heat and corrosion, and for its ratio of weight to strength.

The US Bureau of Industry and Security published a report last October warning that VSMPO-AVISMA was providing titanium sponge to customers in the US at “artificially low” prices, with Russian state support, enabling it to capture a “significant share of Boeing’s business”.

This should have raised a red flag. Weeks later Boeing committed to even deeper ties with the company.

In effect, Russia has been doing what China did earlier with rare earth metals: establishing a lockhold by selling below cost and knocking out the Western supply chain. The report said Russia could increasingly use this dominance “as a tool of geopolitical leverage”.

The bureau warned that the US is down to one ageing plant capable of producing titanium sponge at scale, and no longer has any titanium reserve in the national defence stockpile.

It relies on supply from a hostile state-controlled entity to build US fighter jets, rockets, missiles, submarines, helicopters, satellites and advanced weaponry. The report called for urgent measures to rebuild domestic production and acquire strategic reserves. What a shambles.

Airbus is even more vulnerable. Half its titanium sponge comes from Russia.

Britain’s aerospace industry depends on Russian supply. VSMPO-AVISMA has an operation near Birmingham, making commercial alloys for aerospace, medical technology and the military. Mr Putin knows that the pain threshold in the West is low after the fiasco of US sanctions against the aluminium producer Rusal in 2018.

The US Treasury thought aluminium was a fungible commodity and that cutting off Rusal supply would not matter much.

It learned a harsh lesson in market reality: global alumina prices doubled; the supply chain seized up; and there was collateral damage everywhere.

The bureaucrats had failed to understand the stringent certification process in the industry. But the point is deeper. Russia cannot be strangled because it is systemically central to the world economy.

Nor can Washington easily deny Russia semiconductor chips over the long run. The country has its own home-grown chip companies, led by Baikal and Micron.

They can make mid-grade chips down to 28-nanometres (nm), adequate for mobile phones and the like. These companies could undoubtedly raise their game if it were a top national priority.

Russia cannot make 5nm and 7nm wafers needed for 5G mobile, artificial intelligence, or CPU and GPU technology.

The US controls the global ecosystem of advanced chips and could prevent Taiwan’s TSMC or Korea’s Samsung from supplying Russia. It would hurt over time.

But the semiconductor chain is notoriously complex and populated by middlemen.

“There would be all kinds of work arounds: Russia wouldn’t be able to get the cutting edge stuff but it could get by with intermediate chips for most of its weapons,” said James Lewis, technology director at Washington’s Centre for Strategic and International Studies.

“They can always fall back on the Chinese, and this would dilute the sanctions. It would not be easy for Russia because you can’t just switch over. Everything has to be redesigned to accept the Chinese chips, and they’re not the best either. It would set them back two or three years,” he said.

Chinese companies were reluctant to breach US sanctions after the annexation of Crimea in 2014. It is a different world today. Xi Jinping has made it illegal for them to comply with US extraterritorial sanctions.

Even if the strategic deal between Russia and China at the Beijing Winter Olympics is overstated, Xi must have given Putin a green light of sorts over Ukraine.

Otherwise Russia would not have pulled most of its military forces out of the Far East to wage war in the West, leaving the Chinese border exposed.

Once you drill into the menu of Western sanctions, it becomes painfully clear that the economic deterrent does not add up, either because the measures are less than they seem or because retaliation risk makes them unusable.

The Munich conference was a three-day obfuscation of this fact, a ritual of collective denial, a pretence that anything short of weapons for Ukraine actually matters.

The venue of Munich was all too fitting. The fate of Ukraine’s people is not so different from the story of the Czechs in September 1938.

Telegraph, London

Already have my rtx3090 but my new car might be delayed even further. I'm the real victim here ;_;

 

[IKOL]

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Can't tell if this is sarcasm or genuine NPC reaction.

Yes.

 

[LeChampion1992]

Speaking of losing our freedoms right now...

This fucking tool is projecting so hard he's...

Australia was done for a while ago, this just cements it.

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I mean look it's funny while countries like Russia are moving in a less authoritarian manner and trying to push for a stoic sense of nationalism and a way forward. Countries like Canada, the UK, Australia and new Zealand are becoming more authoritarian. Meanwhile the US is splitting apart at the seams as red state and blue state are turning into different places almost with COVID policies.

It doesn't bode well for the future I am afraid.

 

[Extreme Crusader]

Lot of people here saying "why should we care about Ukraine?"
Well:

• Crimea now Russian
• Hong Kong now Chinese
• Afghanistan now RU/CN aligned taleban
• LNR
• DNR
• Africa now supported by B&R Initiative and CN development spending

At what point do we say that the west has broadly given up on being a major international player? America and its allies will soon find themselves dangerously irrelevant and cut off from setting the rules. In 50 years, your children will install WeChat and be surveilled by TenCent, the same way that America currently has with Google, Apple, Facebook, etc. When Taiwan's current population grows old and dies they will end up voluntarily joining China, the dominant economic and political force rather than sit as a peer to a west that's a shadow of it's former self.

Pics of "I hope Russians kill you *wave flag*" is degenerate "surrender to communism to own the libs" posting. America get your house in order rather than cutting off your nose to spite your face.


blyad

> Be Anne I. O'Nick
> Be a nigger
> <3 globohomos

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

I am outraged at this misinformed thread title. There is no invasion simply a liberation of peoples wishing separation from an oppressive and cruel government that has ignored their pleas! Putin is no conqueror but a protector!

 

[Richardface]

Australia PM says Russia's going in in the next 24 hours

 

[Su-27 Flanker-B]

Australia PM says Russia's going in in the next 24 hours

At this point they know about the plans and preparations better than russians themselves.

 

[The Best Pet Reptile?]

Australia PM says Russia's going in in the next 24 hours

Clearly an omega brained 5D chess delay tactic. Every time the West says this, Putin has to go "Aw, now I can't go in or it will look like that guy had me figured out... "

 

[NoSpiceLife]

Nobody ever wins, we all always lose. Just look at the fruits of our "victory" from the Allies over the Axis. Does anyone here feel like we won anything?

This might help explain who always wins...

 

[Rei is shit]

Troons are less than 1% of the US population and probably represented even less than that in the military. Why are you people obsessed with them?

Because 1% of the population is causing 40% of the problems.

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

The situation is the same for all the legacy powers of the past several centuries, whether China, Japan, Germany, France, UK, Russia and even the US. The once great nation states have been deliberately dismantled via reduced birthrates, mass immigration and outsourced industrialization to the former colonies of the global super powers.

I highly doubt Ukraine and Russia will go to war, but in the event they do I look forward to the EU flooding Ukraine with fresh off the boat negroes from Africa to help with the rebuilding effort like they did with Turks in Germany post WW2. Likewise a weakened Russia can look forward to the Chinese demanding concessions from them in the event the war in the west goes badly.

Nobody ever wins, we all always lose. Just look at the fruits of our "victory" from the Allies over the Axis. Does anyone here feel like we won anything?

Look I know the ”in” thing these days on /pol/ and it’s orbiters is to be all natsoc and Hitler did nothing wrong but even if you give the benefit of the doubt the holocaust was not that big of a deal in a war where 80 million died, even if you give Germany understanding that it was pushed to intolerable means after WWI, that it required a severe correction to correct it’s course and not fall apart, you are still left with a propagandizing dictatorship led by an autist faggot who wasn’t even German who was deficit spending by stealing from people he called verboten then seizing territories in the name of ‘freeing germans’ to again pay for shit he didn’t have money for and hoping to keep the scam going as long as possible until he could either get dat oil he needed or just owned everything which was never gonna happen.

Okay go ahead tell me all about how he really did it because he super knew about the future because he was the second coming of Jesus and you really miss him bro and god his cock must have been so tasty.

 

[Ero]

Troons are less than 1% of the US population and probably represented even less than that in the military. Why are you people obsessed with them?

It's cope from closeted russian shills because their russian muslim homosexual brigade doesn't get any attention from the media.

 

[burntwater]

Archive of the news article: https://archive.md/tw9Pc
The main stream media is already spinning to explain why our economy is fucked up. Somehow this is retroactive?

Personally I think the west is going to let Putin take the Ukraine and use them as a scapegoat for not being able to fix the economy.

 

[Desu Mountain]

Troons are less than 1% of the US population and probably represented even less than that in the military. Why are you people obsessed with them?

Because they won't leave us alone and keep ruining the things we like.

 

[Friendly Primarina]

Okay go ahead tell me all about how he really did it because he super knew about the future because he was the second coming of Jesus and you really miss him bro and god his cock must have been so tasty.

It's always sexual deviancy with you kikes. Change the record.

 

[Prosphora]

The term "Superpower" is a 20th century spook concocted by Russia and the US to pass some the dumbest shit known to man off as "necessary to fight the big evil empire".

 

[Techpriest]

Reminder that the first great age of globalization was just before WWI.

No it wasn’t you absolute fucking mongoloid. “Globalization” has been a thing since the fucking Bronze Age, also blaming WWI on globalism is about the most brainless take possible on the conflict.