Saltyday Morning a Conversation with Shiro and JimJimJim (OIC) - A full on Tism event.

[Iron Hamster]

I feel kinda scammed I asked OIC what his favourite pokemon was and never got an answer.

This was a drama stream, not a pokemon stream. You're not going to derail the stream. Anyone bringing up game play is going to be permanently banned ok? sound good? alright then. *snort*

So one thing I wanted to point out about the interview...
Shiro asked OiC if he was JimJimJim.
OiC's response was the following
- He is not JJJ, but he believes King Vanity is JJJ
- He says King Vanity emerged in Phil's YT chat and 'nobody knew who he was'
- He points out that KV had 'protection' coming from Phil that he could not be banned
- He says that he found that King Vanity had an account on KF under the name 'King Vanity'
- After KV was banned on YT, OiC noticed that King Vanity changed his account name to JimJimJim on KF

I can confirm that JimJimJim's account name on KF was originally King Vanity, so he has that much accurate.
However, I still recommend taking this with a grain of salt. OiC was quick to connect JJJ with King Vanity, but the issue is, if you recall, that it was strongly believed by the end of King Vanity's run that he was OiC.
For one thing, he emerged when OiC was allegedly away on vacation. But there was later a time where the two overlapped in the chat.
When I started asking around, our own @Iron Hamster quickly found the receipts:

Incident 1
- KV and OiC are active in the chat at the same time
- King Vanity posts in chat saying something that appears to actually be OiC (complaining that suprcrzy hates him)
- OiC then continues that line of thought on his account without acknowledging King Vanity
- This looks distinctly like OiC was talking on both accounts and accidently posted on KV what he was supposed to say on his OiC account

Incident 2
- A superchat identifies KV as OiC and Phil gets angry about it
- OiC leaves chat after Swagginz arrives and KV appears
- Swagginz makes what could be a facetious comment in defense of OiC, saying he is cool while KV is not. Swagginz is not documented as being overly fond of OiC so this does not seem sincere
- I have yet to find the video of Phil's freak out if anyone wants to chase that down
- The KV/OiC connection is actually what prompted the creation of the OiC containment thread by Paragon, which happens on the page after this one

So this isn't conclusive proof of anything, but it does keep the possibility open that OiC may have been lying about not being JJJ. He acknowledges that JJJ was KV, but that just creates a secondary problem because there is indication that OiC may have been KV to begin with.

Reading your summary, I seem to remember Phail outing him by thanking oic for a king vanity tip. Or am I confusing that with someone else?

 

[actually]

I thought a mod confirmed that JJJ and OiC's frog account had the same IP address when logging onto the farms.

That was Null. Null was the one who said that jimjim and froggah were the same

This is not correct, to my knowledge. @Froggah and @watermelonmilkyway were the same, which is probably why both accounts got banned after the chat spergout. @JimJimJim connects through a VPN, so their location is hidden. The timestamps are PST, for what it's worth. There's also a couple of other names that have been checked (not going to list them) that came up as "likely". I don't get or ask for specifics from the higher-up mods who do the checks, so I couldn't give details on how that particular sausage is made if I want to.

 

[Zappin’ And Spazzin’]

One of DSP's most loyal sycophants Kinggoken is in the chat too, and he's trying to inform DSP about this stuff.

From DSP's current livestream chat:

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EDIT: DSP and/or his mods are already fully aware of what's going on, and are swiftly banning people mentioning it:

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EDIT2: Yep, he knows about it and it's clearly bothering him:

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"I have no-I have nuh-clue-care-two fucks about anything you idiots are..."
lol
Also fuck you coffee you're boring

 

[We Are The Witches]

- I have yet to find the video of Phil's freak out if anyone wants to chase that down

For anyone that cares, this must be the video.
Timestamp at 1:00:12

(I know you're just reporting on the facts)
In my opinion this evidence is very poor to decide anything, to the point of nearing 50/50 just on that. If I was trying to LARP as someone, I'd probably consider doing something similar.
Even pretending to not know in which tab you're on is too on the nose so maybe I'd reconsider, but it can definitely work so maybe not.

I sometimes enjoy this stuff when it happens on KF:

Spoiler: Meme

In the end it's not really important, but adds some fun to the usual DSP conversations.

 

[TheGoutburglar]

Apparently a response to OIC sending his 15k bank balance to Phil.

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Not a huge revelation, but I do find it amusing nonetheless any time I see how Phil talks to people behind the scenes in much the same way he does in public. "I just want to stream games for an audience and have a good time"? How many times has he said some variation of that on-stream?

Though in thinking on it, he usually busts that out when he's getting upset by something, and wants to excuse himself from whatever it is that's getting him worked up. That tells me he's not being paranoid and tactful here, so much as, unintentionally, giving away that he's afraid of this situation, and wants an escape hatch that he doesn't have. He tells OIC to leave him alone about this, but not in a berating manner. He's uncomfortable with this situation, he knows the whale is financially important, and he can't afford to have everyone else constantly gunning for him, but he can't afford to say that, and gives away the reason right here: he doesn't like OIC holding it over him.

Which, again, he doesn't say in a berating manner. He's too scared to. He doesn't want OIC leaving, or getting too empowered by his investment in Phil, or having to deal with him being a liability. I find this interesting because on stream, it's very typical for Phil to be righteously indignant at being put between a rock and a hard place, and/or being expected to make a sacrifice if he wants out of a situation that's not to his liking. Just look at his unrecorded Angry Dad segment where he threatened to nuke the damn chat over all the talk about OIC being a liability.

There's none of that here. What we get instead is Phil recognizing his position as being between a rock and a hard place, having a choice to make that has consequences no matter what, if he wants out of it, and being a scared little boy over it. In essence, it's not the public or private nature of the conversation that matters, it's WHO Phil is communicating with. He's not about to be willfully more honest when he thinks the convo is private, but he WILL get unintentionally revealing if he's talking to a specific type of person.

Now I REALLY wish I could be a fly on the wall when Phil talks to his mother. lol

 

[Nineteenlevels]

Stuff like this is why i miss the sok so much

 

[Jose Cuervo]

Stuff like this is why i miss the sok so much

I don't miss their constant powerleveling, holier-than-thou "look at how we're so much better than DSP, we donated for a well in Africa!" attitude, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't found some of their stuff to be somewhat amusing. And Fred Fuchs sperging out was hilarious.

That was Null. Null was the one who said that jimjim and froggah were the same

This might be a case of the Mandela Effect but I could almost swear this was exactly what happened. IIRC, it was in the chat and not in a thread post.

 

[The Penultimate Warrior]

OIC hates Phil and thinks his wife is a 2/10 but still sends him money because he gets attention. Phil hates OIC and knows he's mocking him but needs his money more than anything. We can just kick back and laugh. The only thing I do fully believe from the interview is the pre-arranged tips, which makes Phil even more scummy begging when he knows one is coming.

 

[Catboys the Musical]

OIC hates Phil and thinks his wife is a 2/10 but still sends him money because he gets attention. Phil hates OIC and knows he's mocking him but needs his money more than anything. We can just kick back and laugh. The only thing I do fully believe from the interview is the pre-arranged tips, which makes Phil even more scummy begging when he knows one is coming.

There was someone a while back who emailed Phil pretending to be a whale, telling him they'd tip him the $2,000 he was begging for at the time. iirc Phil told them to tip "behind the scenes" so he could still publicly cry poor despite having been handed the money ahead of time.

 

[TheGoutburglar]

The only thing I do fully believe from the interview is the pre-arranged tips, which makes Phil even more scummy begging when he knows one is coming.

I'm actually cautious about that, considering that OIC is fully aware of how we caught on to evidence of that a long time ago, and have continued noticing the signs. He knows it's something we're ready to believe.

Not that I'm suddenly doubting the arrangement is real, just that I can picture OIC talking about it to try stirring us up. I am doubtful of Phil admitting in private to any arrangement, though, I can more easily see him telling his whales to just do what they're going to do and not seek some secret understanding between them. We know Phil doesn't want to hand any of the retards some ammo against him if he can help it, and in his mind, that would be pretty big ammo. He's a grifter, but he works solo, and he's supposed to be grifting the very people interested in working with him to grift others. He's never going to see OIC as an equal, Cuck is a mark to him, always. He wouldn't trust some sock account of mine if I wanted to try tricking him, and he's especially not going to be transparent with one belonging to a person who has given him thousands of dollars.

The most Phil does, I suspect, is employ a kind of prompting via email, but in much the same way he does with his begging tweets. It carries no admission of something underhanded going on, just a plea to tip him, that he doesn't talk on camera about making.

 

[YokuNama]

Okay let me say this:

I don't know specific names on this site unless you always talk about something meaningful. @actually, @Nigel of Ukip, @Comma and a few others because their avatar stands out. Everyone else don't take it personal but I just respond to you if you say something I can expand on. I don't want notoriety, and I will never remember names on here unless you catch my attention every time I read what you say. I rarely give likes unless you say something I completely agree with. I've been here for about a year and a few months but have spent my sparing attention on Phil since 2016. I know I'm wasting my time paying attention to al this shit... but me or you are nowhere near the level of loneliness and autism the people in DSP's chat I just found out.

After hearing the conversation with @Agent Proper and OIC... and im embarrassed to say after yesterday I finally went back and heard the conversation while I was driving. I understand now that he and many others value that chat way more than Phil and will pay anything to have recognition in that chat.

That.. is sad.

 

[GunnlaugurSassoon]

Tbh I kind of wish you guys let OIC bloviate on discord for 4 hours and then just didn't upload anything or mention it. Would have been funnier.

 

[UaineRunei]

Okay let me say this:

I don't know specific names on this site unless you always talk about something meaningful. @actually, @Nigel of Ukip, @Comma and a few others because their avatar stands out. Everyone else don't take it personal but I just respond to you if you say something I can expand on. I don't want notoriety, and I will never remember names on here unless you catch my attention every time I read what you say. I rarely give likes unless you say something I completely agree with. I've been here for about a year and a few months but have spent my sparing attention on Phil since 2016. I know I'm wasting my time paying attention to al this shit... but me or you are nowhere near the level of loneliness and autism the people in DSP's chat I just found out.

After hearing the conversation with @Agent Proper and OIC... and im embarrassed to say after yesterday I finally went back and heard the conversation while I was driving. I understand now that he and many others value that chat way more than Phil and will pay anything to have recognition in that chat.

That.. is sad.

When the "PWDubz doxing" fiasco happened, Snowkarl went to DDM's chat and talked about it. His explanation on why PWDubz would dox himself just to get unbanned was that Phil's chat is "like a boys club to them" and they "feel like part of a group of friends". You can, logically, apply the same reason why snowkarl still hangs out in his chat to this day.

However, I have no idea what they're talking about, since that chat is just people say "sup pimp" to each other all stream and typing Wingsofredemption memes from 2019.

 

[UsedUp]

I'll try and word this the best I can. All these lonely wheel chairs -yes you OiC-are paying for the attention of a 40 year old man and paying to hang around other wheel chairs in his chat cause Sub Only Mode. Regardless the life of a Simp is just.... I have no words. Talk about a Gay old boys club.

 

[hundredthousand]

Next time you all are going to do something like this, interview Derich for the love of god.

Lonely is boring as fuck.

 

[NursezillaX]

However, I have no idea what they're talking about, since that chat is just people say "sup pimp" to each other all stream and typing Wingsofredemption memes from 2019.

Yeah, this 100%. I'm totally lost as to what kind of camaraderie it is they're finding in Phil's chat. Look at his chat at any given time and follow the conversations between people like Guts, Kevin Cuckstein, even OIC. It's all just telling each other how they're 'the man', obvious larping shit about things like the gym, Cuckstein talking about his ex-wife and Jesus, and celebrating when Phil gets money and 'owns' the trolls. It's the most vapid and generic interaction, and how that environment could make somebody feel like part of some 'club' or find experiencing it to allegedly be worth 15k dollars is nonsense.

 

[TheGoutburglar]

Yeah, this 100%. I'm totally lost as to what kind of camaraderie it is they're finding in Phil's chat. Look at his chat at any given time and follow the conversations between people like Guts, Kevin Cuckstein, even OIC. It's all just telling each other how they're 'the man', obvious larping shit about things like the gym, Cuckstein talking about his ex-wife and Jesus, and celebrating when Phil gets money and 'owns' the trolls. It's the most vapid and generic interaction, and how that environment could make somebody feel like part of some 'club' or find experiencing it to allegedly be worth 15k dollars is nonsense.

You have to look at it on THEIR terms, not a normal person's. You say they call each other "the man"? Well, there you go. They don't get that anywhere else. They can't, because they suck. You say they LARP? And don't confront each other about it? They don't get that elsewhere either. Guarantee it.

They enjoy their community because they're just like Phil, and there, they can be enabled in their bullshit forever, like they want. The only thing that separates them is that they're generous, either from being dumber than Phil or less hate-filled and selfish.

 

[Watamelon]

Next time you all are going to do something like this, interview Derich for the love of god.

Lonely is boring as fuck.

Make sure to mispronounce his name once the interview is done just so he goes full on tard rage too.

 

[actually]

Make sure to mispronounce his name once the interview is done just so he goes full on tard rage too.

Based on history, he'd probably just start using your pronunciation.

 

[DarkSoulsPhil]

There was someone a while back who emailed Phil pretending to be a whale, telling him they'd tip him the $2,000 he was begging for at the time. iirc Phil told them to tip "behind the scenes" so he could still publicly cry poor despite having been handed the money ahead of time.

The behind the scenes tipping suggestion was incredibly scummy. Before that, there was someone who donated 700ish behind the scenes (and overnight) and he had to hide some paypal thing as a result because he didnt put it on the leaderboard and refused to talk about it.

I hope people email him offering him big money like that but offer to buy his toys or cm punk stuff. Could be fun.