Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[Shotgun Badger]

IMO, he's grifting so hard and so long he doesn't even remember he's grifting anymore.

 

[EdiblePanties]

Nah, he made two posts, one flippant attempt at a joke about cancel culture, when she was safely gone , one directly RTing her suicide byebye making it all about himself and how she had helped make him the megastar he is.

What a fucking parasite.


In terms on whether or not Olly is pulling a grift with his trooning -- It likely is a grift. He'll do whatever is it takes as he desperately wants to be famous. If fat positivity was still the all the rage I'm sure he would have become the Prince of obesity as the UKs fattest man to make himself famous.

 

[cia-log]

@cia-log

Good points, all. Wrt it all being a grift, I'm not at all certain of it, but if, let's say it was revealed this year that it was a grift, I would be not at all shocked.

I basically agree with everything you said. His transition has been completely, 100% opportunistic and he's surely sucking every bit of privilege and social victim capital he can out of it. If I had to guess at an actual diagnosis, I'd probably say he's not truly what I think of as trans in that he doesn't truly believe he's a woman inside nor does he struggle with any dysphoria. I think he's somewhere between narcissistic, confused and turned on by the whole show of being a "woman".

Thank you! And yeah, I do think he ultimately think he wouldn't have done this if it didn't benefit him in his obsession with adoration (and I suspect money given how much he leans into the girlboss persona) On the other hand he consistently does things that make no sense for someone who's faking it for money. His fans (and the fans of any internet famous transwomxn really) are overly sympathetic and predisposed to overlook or make excuses for him and even they find it obnoxious. He could just be bad at it, but I don't see why he'd act so desperate if he's just acting.

 

[Wünderkind]

Yeah I was mystified by that choice. I wonder if he treats his makeup artist like he treats Brian the stylist - rather than relying on their expertise, he railroads their creative input. There's no point hiring talented people if you override them with your bad taste.

With a bit of lippy and blush he looks way less mentally ill:
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He'd look more normal again if he caught some sun (although he's obviously wedded to the English Rose larp):
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Ultimately though we all know how he could looksmax:
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Look Ollie, your new nose means you kinda look like a twink. Some women do find that attractive. I mean lesbians and Contra won't, but then they don't find you attractive as you are anyway.

Also here's a bonus because what's the point of this thread if it's not being mean about Ollie?

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lol "ffs" is the appropriate response to this disaster, whether you're an onlooker or especially if you're olly.

 

[AssignedEva]

I sometimes see comments to this effect, but I don't really get why some people think Olly is somehow a less honest trans than anyone else? All male-to-female transgenderism just seems to be a sexual fetish thing and always based on this fictitious male gaze thing you mention here. But it could be that I am also uninformed on this. I'm just not sure how Olly is worse than anyone else in this regard. He's occasionally more obnoxious about posting online than someone like contrapoints, but he's no more obnoxious about it than non-famous people highlighted in the sideshows threads.

As an aside, my experience with trans-men though is that they're a lot more reasonable. Idk why that is. This could also just be me not being really informed about them.

I don't think Ollie is grifting, exactly. I mean he's making hay while the sun shines, but taking cross sex hormones and chemically castrating yourself purely to try and boost your career is a level of insanity that I don't think Ollie has. I could believe that if he said he was non binary and wasn't on hormones, like how he claimed to be bi for attention, but not a full blown transition.

Spoiler: Blanchard typology sperging

Usually when people talk about True and Honest Trans, they mean Homosexual Transsexuals.

HSTS are generally what normies think of when you talk about trans women. They're super effeminate gay men who don't really relate to masculinity and conflate that with being women. They can be unpleasant and dramatic, but they're not really creepy. This phenomenon is likely a normal (if extreme) variation of human sexuality as there's lots of examples of this happening throughout history. The Arabian mukhannathun ("ones who resemble women"), the South Asian hijra ("ones who've left their tribe"), the Thai kathoey ("hermaphrodites"), some Native American tribal "two spirits" (e.g. Lakota winyanktehca "wants to be a woman)... what is referred to as a "third gender".

 

[Dromedary]

He's seen- by many or most of us anyway- as being a "less honest trans" than some others for numerous reasons: there was the seeming suddenness of his transition; the blatant careerism involved (using transitioning to try and get more niche acting roles; exploding onto the public stage the minute he came out with interviews and his smarmy video and "official public announcement"; his seeming wish to not be a woman so much as to be a trans person, which gives people a good amount of social capital right off the bat, as well as a new set of standards wrt talking obscene shit about actual women; his apparent lack of any kind of gender dysphoria; his extreme self-aggrandizement ("trans princess of TERF island", "one of the most famous trans people", "doing YouTube at the top level in the world", etc.).

Yes . It's very calculated, blatant careerism is right. (Not mutually exclusive with an AGP kink, it can be both.) He just puts a lot of effort into being a Personality in that professional, striving, media-centric London world. On the make. Tiresomely.

Compared to Olly, Contra is a genuine eccentric, an interestingly strange person. Somewhat reclusive in a run-down worn out mansion in Baltimore of all places. Doing drugs and being open about it. Doing their own thing, not trying to monetize or advance a career or be on the cover of lady-magazines as a goal. None of Olly's grasping neediness.

 

[frap]

Ollie is basically plastic Contra, who himself is plastic woman.

He's a cheap knock-off of a cheap knock-off.

I think it's a combination of careerism, narcissism, AGP and maybe trying to wash away those Contra sexual assault rumours by becoming one of the most oppressed groups evah (and thus immune to criticism).

 

[Excited Eraser]

Perhaps I'm way off, but his performance makes me think of those TV "psychics" who pretend to talk to the dead. With some of them it's completely obvious it's nothing more than a grift. Others, even when examined carefully, really seem to believe what they say and the grifting part is basically just reinforcement. I reckon Olly fits more into the second category than the first. I don't believe him when he says he knows he's always been a woman, but I do think he really believes he's one now. I reckon he's mostly motivated by the belief that he can not just be a woman, but a better version of a woman.

It's basically misogyny in its purest form.

 

[Clem Fandango]

Yeah, I get the feeling it's like a method acting job for him. Like, how well can I perform "woman"?

There's a moment in his reveal video where he goes "This is real, it's not acting, or part of the THE-AT-ARHHH" with a big flourish.

And it's just like, yes Olly. We can see your try-hard acting. It's not very good.

 

[The Best of Me]

I think it's a combination of careerism, narcissism, AGP and maybe trying to wash away those Contra sexual assault rumours by becoming one of the most oppressed groups evah (and thus immune to criticism).

All these speculations are pretty much on the nose, but here's my personal take: I actually think Ol' Lies' current outward presentation as an uncanny, unfunny, patronizing, pandering door-frame-clipping cringe-inducing gigahon may at this point have mutated into its own form of misdirection for critics. We've seen him spend the past year trying (and hilariously failing) to gain the attention of the eeeeevil terven with increasingly militant takes on twitter, so as to prove how harshly he's oppwesed in terf island, but it seems they've bigger fish to fry and this infurated him to no end. He's positively gagging for some large personality to refer to his transness/appearance in their critiques and cry transphobia, but this hasn't really happened.

It really makes you think..... maybe the primary motivation for transition Toob's transition was as simple as providing an excuse to poopoo any previous critiques by fellow commentators (the Destiny takedown and that Philosophy professor immediately come to mind) as 'deadnaming-by-proxy' (didn't ""Katy"" Montgomerie say that distribution of pre-transition TW was the same thing as publishing womens' nudes? ), thus making him forever immune from any criticism that was ever leveraged at him at any time. ever. That's the one weirdly consistant thing about Ollie's character a complete inability to process criticism as anything other than a personal attack, be it eating-on-camera-gate or 'calling me a white knight is literal rape apologia').

TL;DR Olly trooned out not out of AGP, and not so much to gain sympathy but to insulate himself from his sordid past, and this extends to his terrible excuses for philosophical analysis

 

[AssignedEva]

I don't buy that Ollie is transitioning for the grift or because he wants to avoid criticism. I'd buy it if he came out as non binary and didn't take hormones (like when he was bi for attention), but chemically castrating yourself to try and land acting gigs? That requires a level of insanity that Ollie doesn't have.

I think Ollie had GAMP tendencies for quite a while, and as a narcissist he lacked a strong internal sense of identity. The toxic combination of Contra coming out as a transbian and dumping him, the social circles he moves in online, the stress of prior accusations and then prolonged social isolation during lockdown facilitated a breakdown that flipped the switch from GAMP to AGP.

He's absolutely capitalising on that now - which is the grift- because he's a narcissist. It's a mix of thinking he can exploit his status as an Oppressed Minority to land gigs and gain exposure, and genuinely thinking he'll be (or is) the best trans activist ever or the best face of the movement, because he already had experience with an adoring audience sucking his (now impotent) dick. It's why he spent most of a year transitioning in secret so he (in his eyes) could suddenly pop out as a fully formed gorgeous woman and also break the internet with the surprise. You even kinda see this in his terrible hair, makeup and outfits - he thinks he looks great and is effortlessly pulling off his desired aesthetics.

The fact that dressing up as a lady turns him on doesn't even enter his mind anymore because he's been told for years that Blanchard is just a crusty old transphobe and all trans people are valid. The distress he experiences from transphobia is probably mostly just misplaced anxiety about the irreversible damage he's doing to his body and the knowledge that everyone can clock him as a man in a dress - but if he ever does consciously think that, it's probably only for a moment. Same thing with his NHS rage - he's angry, but that anger is really about something else.

 

[ChaChaHeels:BlackOnes]

I sometimes see comments to this effect, but I don't really get why some people think Olly is somehow a less honest trans than anyone else? All male-to-female transgenderism just seems to be a sexual fetish thing and always based on this fictitious male gaze thing you mention here. But it could be that I am also uninformed on this. I'm just not sure how Olly is worse than anyone else in this regard. He's occasionally more obnoxious about posting online than someone like contrapoints, but he's no more obnoxious about it than non-famous people highlighted in the sideshows threads.

I don’t actually believe that gender identity is a thing so in that respect Ol Lie is no less trans than anyone else (there is AGP and there is gender dysphoria, and there is social/medical transition, and there is demanding people pretend you have changed sex even though you haven’t changed a damn thing beyond pronouns).

The thing that makes Chube stand out is his complete inability to come across as even vaguely sincere in his trans-persona.

Compare and contrast to the other transes he orbits, Contra is a car crash, Paris Lees is a former rent boy. All three are men, but I have no trouble accepting that at some point, Contra and Paris have both utterly convinced themselves that ‘womanhood’ was the only option and in their own minds transition was inevitable.

whereas ‘Abi’ seems to have looked at the transes around him and thought, ‘I’ll have a bit of that’.

In the mid 2000s there was a British comedy show about young hipster people in east London - it only lasted 6 episodes and it was always destined to age rapidly because it was centred around the new-world of blogging/vlogging and the rise of media companies like Vice.
It was written by Chris Morris (Brass Eye) and Charlie Brooker (Black Mirror), both excellent at highlighting the absurdity of modern life.
All the characters in it are cringey as fuck but as it was made before the big trans trend began, there are (sadly) no trans characters.
‘Abigail Thorn’ is the smirking, fawning, missing trans character from Nathan Barley

Abigail Thorn is a "self-facilitating media node".

 

[AfghanBlue]

Abigail Thorn is a "self-facilitating media node".

Spoiler: No Known Cure

Fucking hell, is it Chris Morris o’clock?
I woke up with a strange urge to listen to his On the Hour today, when I did put it on when I was walking, it was the same time as he announced that it was in episode, from like 1992, 11.20am.

Just before, checked some messages a friend sent me that I didn’t read last night, two of them were Chris’s Morris videos..
Weird. Hope he’s not kicked the bucket and is in the ether.

Anyone notice we are constantly referencing Abigail to characters in comedy written before her breed of insufferable, rich enough to wait out London internships, nepotism has taken its death grip on the neck of UK comedy? -bar from literally a handful of exceptions..

 

[The Best of Me]

I don't ACTUALLY think Ollie 'leveled up' to gain immunity from criticism, both legitimate and of the wokescold variety. It just seems to be the most easily recognisable of its immediate effects.

I think Ollie had GAMP tendencies for quite a while, and as a narcissist he lacked a strong internal sense of identity. The toxic combination of Contra coming out as a transbian and dumping him, the social circles he moves in online, the stress of prior accusations and then prolonged social isolation during lockdown facilitated a breakdown that flipped the switch from GAMP to AGP.

I think that just about sums it up best.

Right from June 2020 when he mutilated his eyebrows I KNEW what was fucking coming and so did everyone else.

Personally, I think Ollie's GMAP goes even deeper than the level of sexual orientation. He never really seemed to truly view women as beings with equal agency and capability UNLESS they trans. I think this is one of the reasons why 'TRANS RIGHTS *uwu*' was so easily taken up by reddit and youtube neckbeard coombrains: they never really gave a shit about true and honest women until they envisoned themselves 'becoming' """women""". Actual women remain props at best and a joke the rest of the time. You could kind of sense that flavor of misogyny from his 'Transphobia' video, but the biggest testament to his hatred of women came in his trannisfesto when he said

"I've read enough feminist theory to know that being a woman doesn't make me inferior"

...uh huh

So that's your big takeaway on feminism from the three years you spent studying philosophy, is it? TRANSlation: "After being introduced to feminist theory, I felt threatened and almost kind of guilty, but then I realised that I can simply colonise womanhood like my forbears colonised the world "

Shit makes me so MATI

 

[Swimminglanes]

That quote is priceless.

Did he have to read feminist theory to come to the conclusion that women aren't "inferior"? It wasn't something he already understood, he had to read it in a book?

Strange thing to boast about. Cretinous.

 

[esmeggs]

Any guesses?

 

[cia-log]

I don't buy that Ollie is transitioning for the grift or because he wants to avoid criticism. I'd buy it if he came out as non binary and didn't take hormones (like when he was bi for attention), but chemically castrating yourself to try and land acting gigs? That requires a level of insanity that Ollie doesn't have.

I think Ollie had GAMP tendencies for quite a while, and as a narcissist he lacked a strong internal sense of identity. The toxic combination of Contra coming out as a transbian and dumping him, the social circles he moves in online, the stress of prior accusations and then prolonged social isolation during lockdown facilitated a breakdown that flipped the switch from GAMP to AGP.

He's absolutely capitalising on that now - which is the grift- because he's a narcissist. It's a mix of thinking he can exploit his status as an Oppressed Minority to land gigs and gain exposure, and genuinely thinking he'll be (or is) the best trans activist ever or the best face of the movement, because he already had experience with an adoring audience sucking his (now impotent) dick. It's why he spent most of a year transitioning in secret so he (in his eyes) could suddenly pop out as a fully formed gorgeous woman and also break the internet with the surprise. You even kinda see this in his terrible hair, makeup and outfits - he thinks he looks great and is effortlessly pulling off his desired aesthetics.

The fact that dressing up as a lady turns him on doesn't even enter his mind anymore because he's been told for years that Blanchard is just a crusty old transphobe and all trans people are valid. The distress he experiences from transphobia is probably mostly just misplaced anxiety about the irreversible damage he's doing to his body and the knowledge that everyone can clock him as a man in a dress - but if he ever does consciously think that, it's probably only for a moment. Same thing with his NHS rage - he's angry, but that anger is really about something else.

Exactly this. People are saying "he'd do anything for money" and they're right (although I think he wants adoration and praise more than money) but the thing that separates this from a grift is narcissists need to believe in their weird, distorted views of the world they make up. It's unlikely that he's thinking "they'll hand money to any tranny who can take a shower and talk on camera for thirty minutes so fuck em" but more probably "I'm the perfect person for this job, I'm going to lead the trans revolution in Britain and in twenty years there'll be a statue of me in the middle of Piccadilly circus!" This is also why he preemptively dismisses even very mild criticism as mean-spirited trolling, he can't stomach the idea that he's not as great and charming as he wants to be.

It's greedy and exploitative, but if you were to hook him up to a lie detector I think you'd find he really does believe he's doing it to save the trans babies of the world and not just brazenly scamming people.

 

[Shotgun Badger]

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Any guesses?

He was sucking up to Steve Coogan a little while ago and I assume this is a comedy so it could be something involving him.

Chivalry (TV series) - Wikipedia

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Hmm, seems to be right in his wheelhouse.

 

[squirt reynolds]

He was sucking up to Steve Coogan a little while ago and I assume this is a comedy so it could be something involving him.

Chivalry (TV series) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Hmm, seems to be right in his wheelhouse.

>Chivalry
I'm hoping for a scene where Olly and a woman are faced with who should open the door for the other. Cue laughtrack amirite

 

[AfghanBlue]

He was sucking up to Steve Coogan a little while ago and I assume this is a comedy so it could be something involving him.

Chivalry (TV series) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Hmm, seems to be right in his wheelhouse.

Nah. Coogan has taste, and is particularly the sort of person to see through what Tubes doing there like a window;

whatever Ol lie was loitering about in the background of that he was in, will have been strictly as an extra (“worked with” lol, just like Man in Lobby 5 ‘Worked On’ Mission impossible)

He’ll be in some absolutely shit no mark new (terrible) bbc3 one series jobby-
That, or the next series of Ladhood (lol) as I believe that ended on a cliffhanger, and he’s got a space in it already.
I’d be godsmacked if it was anything new tbh, he’s shown his ‘chops’ such as they are, and they aren’t, plus the new face...

RE that he wasn’t able to just say it was Ladhood again- I mean he loves keeping the most boring things hush- but, probably just been told to stfu about everything he’s in as it’s not the done thing to spill the beans on everything you’re in as a minor fucking character.