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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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I'm sure the Belarussians are very grateful they'll be getting the battle-proven deathtraps too broken-down to be sent into Ukraine.

I saw a photo recently, and it's not one of those "Here's something going on in Ukraine (that is actually a photo from Grozny back in the 1990s)" things, it's confirmed a real photo, of a T72 in convoy with no ERA, no modern sights, no APS, nothing. Just bare steel. Imagine the US digging up a 105mm armed M1 from 1981 and sending it in to battle.

Here we go:

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And before anyone asks, no, they can't just put ERA on "whenever". That's depot-level work.
 
I saw a photo recently, and it's not one of those "Here's something going on in Ukraine (that is actually a photo from Grozny back in the 1990s)" things, it's confirmed a real photo, of a T72 in convoy with no ERA, no modern sights, no APS, nothing. Just bare steel. Imagine the US digging up a 105mm armed M1 from 1981 and sending it in to battle.

Here we go:

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And before anyone asks, no, they can't just put ERA on "whenever". That's depot-level work.
ERA is a bad thing to have on the tank when you have infantry right beside it providing support, which the Russians learned the hard way in the caucuses
 
ERA is a bad thing to have on the tank when you have infantry right beside it providing support, which the Russians learned the hard way in the caucuses
I thought they learned that their maintenance techs had a nasty habit of selling off the explosive filler on the black market the hard way in the Caucuses?
 
I don't see it being just a food plant either. It's something big (hence why US is scared), but it might not be weapons. Sucks that there is so little info
I can kind of believe the food plant thing, simply because Ukraine is one of global major exporter of wheat and grain

Holyshit, Putin just made EU stronger
EU leaders announce intention to collectively rearm in face of Putin threat (archive)

Versailles declaration says Russia’s war in Ukraine has heralded ‘tectonic shift in European history’

EU leaders have announced their intention to collectively rearm and become autonomous in food, energy and military hardware in a Versailles declaration that described Russia’s war as “a tectonic shift in European history”.

At a summit in the former royal palace, the 27 heads of state and government said on Friday that the invasion of Ukraine had shown the urgent need for the EU to take responsibility for its own security and to rid itself of dependencies on others.

Speaking at a press conference in the palace’s Galerie des Batailles, in which France’s military achievements are celebrated in painting and sculpture, France’s Emmanuel Macron said the Versailles treaty of 1919 had divided Europe but that today leaders were uniting. He described Russia’s aggression as a “tragic turning point”.

“We can see how our food, our energy, our defence are all issues of sovereignty,” he said. “We want to be open to the world but we want to choose our partners and not depend on anybody.”

He added: “The Versailles declaration is linked to the fact that sovereignty in Europe, which might have been thought of by some as a slogan or a French fantasy, is seen by all today as crucial.”

Macron defended the decision not to offer fast-track EU membership for Ukraine, which was criticised overnight by the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy. “The answer is no,” Macron said of the request from the war-stricken country, but he added that the EU was mobilising all its economic power to help the Ukrainian government and that the “European path” was open.

Lithuania’s president, Gitanas Nausėda, said there was a “flavour of disappointment” to the decision for a number of EU member states but that the bloc would return to the issue.

The Versailles declaration was said to be the “initiation” of European defence by Charles Michel, the European Council president.

The leaders agreed to “invest more and better in defence capabilities and innovative technologies” by substantially increasing defence expenditures and through tighter cooperation and coordination of their armed forces and procurement. While EU member states spend more than three times the Russian defence budget, there are limited tie-ups and multiple overlaps in capabilities.

The European Commission has been given a new role to find weaknesses in Europe’s defences and to advise on investment.

Macron said Olaf Scholz’s decision to set aside €100bn (£84bn) for defence and Denmark’s decision to put its opt-out on EU security mechanisms to a referendum showed the seriousness of the moment. The EU is also doubling its funding of military equipment destined for Ukraine to €1bn.

“About 10 days ago, Germany decided to make historical investments and Denmark made a historic choice deciding to ask the people if they want to come back to the European defence and security project,” Macron said. “Everywhere you look historic choices are being made.”

A deadline of 2027 has been set for freeing the EU from dependency on Russian gas, oil and coal. In 2021, the EU imported 155bn cubic metres of natural gas from Russia, accounting for about 45% of its gas imports and close to 40% of the bloc’s total gas consumption.

Ursula von der Leyen, the European Commission president, said the commission would produce proposals by mid-May on how to achieve the target. In order to prepare for next winter, plans will also be made to coordinate European countries’ fragmented network of gas stocks. Von der Leyen said in future underground stocks would have to be filled to at least 90% by the start of October each year.

Macron and Scholz are due to speak to Vladimir Putin in what the French president said would be a “demanding dialogue”, with the EU threatening tougher economic sanctions should Russia’s president make a move against Kyiv, the Ukrainian capital.

Shortly after leaders left Versailles, a new round of measures was announced by the G7, with Von der Leyen citing the failure to respect agreements over humanitarian corridors as being a motivating factor.

Russia is being denied most-favoured-nation status for its markets under World Trade Organization rules, which will mean tariffs being imposed on its goods, and Moscow risks having its representatives thrown out of the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank.

After some resistance from Italy, the EU is also banning exports of any luxury goods to Russia, “as a direct blow to the Russian elite”, Von der Leyen said.

“Those who sustain Putin’s war machine should no longer be able to enjoy their lavish lifestyle while bombs fall on innocent people in Ukraine,” she added.

The EU will no longer import iron and steel goods from the Russian Federation and there will be a ban on European investments across Russia’s energy sector.
 
I saw a photo recently, and it's not one of those "Here's something going on in Ukraine (that is actually a photo from Grozny back in the 1990s)" things, it's confirmed a real photo, of a T72 in convoy with no ERA, no modern sights, no APS, nothing. Just bare steel. Imagine the US digging up a 105mm armed M1 from 1981 and sending it in to battle.

Here we go:

View attachment 3064680

And before anyone asks, no, they can't just put ERA on "whenever". That's depot-level work.
Could this be a way to clear out the old junk so the defense industry has more leverage to build more X?
 
Could this be a way to clear out the old junk so the defense industry has more leverage to build more X?
Why would they do that? That makes absolutely no sense. Send in all the old, deprecated units as cannon fodder so they can die to even the most primitive of weapons and make massive losses just to send your best troops last into a barely manageable battlefields full of destruction and debris just to try and save what's left? And it's not just the tanks that are outdated and poorly equipped, the supply vehicles are, too.
 
It comes off as so incredibly pathetic. Poor little Russia, bullied so bad by the West. Makes the whole tough guy act a joke. I just wish this kind of international reaction would happen to any country that pointlessly starts a war (US included going forward)
Again, it makes "based" Russia look more like the western SJWs that their simps in the west pretend to be against. They throw shit at you, then pretend to be the victim. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, they are being led by a former Communist spook, after all.

I'm sure the Belarussians are very grateful they'll be getting the battle-proven deathtraps too broken-down to be sent into Ukraine.
Well, if they drive those things into Ukraine, they'll be giving more gifts for the Ukrainian farmers.

It is modern by Russian standards, their leadership is acting like it's the 60s, Lukashenko has all those pictures in soviet hat LARPing as a soviet era general, their tactics and excuses for invading haven't changed since WW2 (the initial invasion of Ukraine just fucking screams Invasion of Finland if our propaganda isn't total bullcrap and "Defending the Russian speaking population" has been their go to excuse for fucking everything ever in the region) and now their entire nation is being thrown back decades thanks because of sanctions.

People liked to joke that time stopped in Russia a long time ago, I believe an international scientist investigation into a potential time dilation field covering Russia should be called up.
Oh, I'm sure its quite modern. But I'm also sure its utterly incapable of being promptly repaired and fit for service (or it would already be in Ukraine given the shitshow there), and even if it is in working condition, its already proven to be nothing but a target on the modern battlefield. I'd feel bad for the Belarussians, but sticking with Russia appears to be Lukashenko's choice since it means he can keep LARPing as a 60's dictator.
It's not a happy accident that they LARP as Soviet generals and dictators. A lot of the political and business elites in these post-Soviet countries tend to have ties to the old Soviet leadership. So while most of the locals were living in squalor under Soviet rule, these yahoos, or their families, used to live like kings; kind of like how a lot of modern CCP members live in China right now. No shit, they'd act like the Soviet era was one glorious golden age for their people, and they'd try to recreate that now.

I hate the west, I hate the east far fucking more because it's just so beyond clear everyone in position of power is a psychopath on a "God is Dead, I AM GOD NOW" commie LARP. Fucking hell I want off this ball of rock.
That's basically it. While the west is ruled by a bunch of bean-counters and professional victims, their counterparts in the east are the kind of sociopaths who would make Batman villains seem tame by comparison.
 
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Could this be a way to clear out the old junk so the defense industry has more leverage to build more X?
Doesn't makes sense, no one is going to be lining up to buy their gears and toys with this severe underperformance, especially when you compared it to their "Unstoppable Russia" myth they cultivated for decades. Much more easy to just sell the old stuffs to 3rd world countries and used the money to build newer ones. Besides, its not like no one is researching and building new toys anyway, some money must have been passed around among the defense industry because of China
 
Doesn't makes sense, no one is going to be lining up to buy their gears and toys with this severe underperformance, especially when you compared it to their "Unstoppable Russia" myth they cultivated for decades. Much more easy to just sell the old stuffs to 3rd world countries and used the money to build newer ones. Besides, its not like no one is researching and building new toys anyway, some money must have been passed around among the defense industry because of China
This. The entire reason the "Le super-awesome T-90!" came about was because the T-72BU upgrade was renamed the T-90 as soon as it entered service in 1992. I'm trying to think of some big conflict in 1991 that tarnished the T-72's reputation for years to come, but I can't quite think of the name. Operation Ocean Breeze, or something like that?
 

Russia is now enlisting convicted prisoners for the war with Ukraine - the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine​


VALENTINA ROMANENKO - FRIDAY, MARCH 11, 2022, 09:27

To replenish the forces waging war against the Ukrainian people, the Russian occupiers are now recruiting convicted prisoners in correctional facilities.

Source: General Staff of the Armed Forces

Quote: "Because of the urgent need to replenish units of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and other illegally created armed terrorist groups, work is ongoing among prisoners in the correctional facilities of the Rostov region in Russia. The convicts are being offered the chance to join the occupying forces in exchange for an amnesty. The Russian Armed forces will accept everyone, even those who have no experience in military service."

Details: At the same time, the General Staff emphasises that Ukraine's Defence Forces are commendably repelling and restraining the Russian armed forces’ offensive operation in all directions.

It is noted that no significant changes have taken place in the positions of our troops and the invading troops in the last six hours.

Keep calm and continue to resist! We will win together! Glory to Ukraine!

Putin… does know that conscripting prisoners into a meat grinder will probably defect the minute they’re left to their own devices… right?
This theory that Putin’s saving the ‘real’ military firepower for a war with NATO sounds like empty bolster at this point. Hell, given how much more maintenance they require, I’m doubting a whole lot of Russia’s nukes would even work right. Still, that doesn’t mean I want to see them used, but I’m doubting Putin has as many that are anywhere close to operable as he thinks he does.
 
Ben Shapiro and Joe Rogan aren't dancing their videos last I check.

Ben Shapiro: "Ok, let's say, hypothetically, I danced on TikTok to own Russia. This would be an illogical, because I am in New York wearing a tiny hat, and it is highly unlikely that my actions will have any affect on the war."

Joe Rogan; "Yo, you ever danced and fucked a one legged stripper on DMT?"
 

Russia is now enlisting convicted prisoners for the war with Ukraine - the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine​


VALENTINA ROMANENKO - FRIDAY, MARCH 11, 2022, 09:27

To replenish the forces waging war against the Ukrainian people, the Russian occupiers are now recruiting convicted prisoners in correctional facilities.

Source: General Staff of the Armed Forces

Quote: "Because of the urgent need to replenish units of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and other illegally created armed terrorist groups, work is ongoing among prisoners in the correctional facilities of the Rostov region in Russia. The convicts are being offered the chance to join the occupying forces in exchange for an amnesty. The Russian Armed forces will accept everyone, even those who have no experience in military service."

Details: At the same time, the General Staff emphasises that Ukraine's Defence Forces are commendably repelling and restraining the Russian armed forces’ offensive operation in all directions.

It is noted that no significant changes have taken place in the positions of our troops and the invading troops in the last six hours.

Keep calm and continue to resist! We will win together! Glory to Ukraine!

Putin… does know that conscripting prisoners into a meat grinder will probably defect the minute they’re left to their own devices… right?
This theory that Putin’s saving the ‘real’ military firepower for a war with NATO sounds like empty bolster at this point. Hell, given how much more maintenance they require, I’m doubting a whole lot of Russia’s nukes would even work right. Still, that doesn’t mean I want to see them used, but I’m doubting Putin has as many that are anywhere close to operable as he thinks he does.
The Soviets started filling their ranks with prisoners during the Cold War and it turned the usual hazing you see in militaries into actual institutionalized buck breaking of their own conscripts when you started to supplant Soviet conscript culture with prison gay culture, and the Soviet collapse turned it into hell on earth in the 90s. Putin made some token gestures to reform the army in the late 2000s but then kicked out the guy making reforms because he was rocking too many boats so I doubt it got much better under the surface and this will just make it even worse.
 

Russia is now enlisting convicted prisoners for the war with Ukraine - the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine​


VALENTINA ROMANENKO - FRIDAY, MARCH 11, 2022, 09:27

To replenish the forces waging war against the Ukrainian people, the Russian occupiers are now recruiting convicted prisoners in correctional facilities.

Source: General Staff of the Armed Forces

Quote: "Because of the urgent need to replenish units of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and other illegally created armed terrorist groups, work is ongoing among prisoners in the correctional facilities of the Rostov region in Russia. The convicts are being offered the chance to join the occupying forces in exchange for an amnesty. The Russian Armed forces will accept everyone, even those who have no experience in military service."

Details: At the same time, the General Staff emphasises that Ukraine's Defence Forces are commendably repelling and restraining the Russian armed forces’ offensive operation in all directions.

It is noted that no significant changes have taken place in the positions of our troops and the invading troops in the last six hours.

Keep calm and continue to resist! We will win together! Glory to Ukraine!

Putin… does know that conscripting prisoners into a meat grinder will probably defect the minute they’re left to their own devices… right?
This theory that Putin’s saving the ‘real’ military firepower for a war with NATO sounds like empty bolster at this point. Hell, given how much more maintenance they require, I’m doubting a whole lot of Russia’s nukes would even work right. Still, that doesn’t mean I want to see them used, but I’m doubting Putin has as many that are anywhere close to operable as he thinks he does.
Eh, nothing special. Wars are a great way to empty prisons and remove troublemakers from society without going into the whole "WAAAHH you can't execute convicted murderers" spiel. IIRC US did a similar thing with Vietnam. I bet you that Ukraine probably has some thieves and armed robbers in their ranks too. And the talk about "Putin holding back the professionals" has been observably bullshit from the moment we started seeing dead Spetsnaz with top-of-the-line Russian gear out in the killing fields.
 
Putin… does know that conscripting prisoners into a meat grinder will probably defect the minute they’re left to their own devices… right?
That only works if your army has decent morale. If its morale is sinking, then yes, they will defect the moment they get the chance, or they may even frag their commanding officers.

This theory that Putin’s saving the ‘real’ military firepower for a war with NATO sounds like empty bolster at this point. Hell, given how much more maintenance they require, I’m doubting a whole lot of Russia’s nukes would even work right. Still, that doesn’t mean I want to see them used, but I’m doubting Putin has as many that are anywhere close to operable as he thinks he does.
And the talk about "Putin holding back the professionals" has been observably bullshit from the moment we started seeing dead Spetsnaz with top-of-the-line Russian gear out in the killing fields.
It's basically a coping mechanism Putin simps have to explain Russia's losses, despite the fact that they did use the best they had in the first two weeks of the war, and they're growing more desperate as time goes on.

The Soviets started filling their ranks with prisoners during the Cold War and it turned the usual hazing you see in militaries into actual institutionalized buck breaking of their own conscripts when you started to supplant Soviet conscript culture with prison gay culture, and the Soviet collapse turned it into hell on earth in the 90s. Putin made some token gestures to reform the army in the late 2000s but then kicked out the guy making reforms because he was rocking too many boats so I doubt it got much better under the surface and this will just make it even worse.
Dedovshchina is the word for it, and as late as 2019, it basically turned the Russian military into an organization that runs on torture and rape.


"In 2019, according to the Russian military prosecutor office, the situation with dedovshchina is getting worse. Incidents of hazing in the army during the 2019 have increased. 51 000 human rights violations and 9890 sexual assault cases."

And that's the reported cases. God knows how much goes unreported. Despite "Based Russia" standing against gays as their official policy, behind closed doors, their men get it up the ass more often than dudes in gay bars. Whether they like it or not.
 
Could this be a way to clear out the old junk so the defense industry has more leverage to build more X?

Russia currently has in active service a staggering:

  • 2200 or so T-72s
  • 500 T-80s
  • 369 T-90s
  • 100 T-55s
  • 2,750 BMP varients
  • 1,500 BTR varients
We're going to be here a while if they're just clearing out the inventory.
 
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