Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Niggaplease]

It's OK they can have a chechen fundamentalist to share a cell with, they love Muslims and no way them being a fag is going to be an issue.

Idk muslims are oppurtunist rapers, best give them a burqa to hide under

 

[Retink]

So apparently this releaased audio has Russians ordering their soldiers to kill cvilians.

https://twitter.com/ServiceSsu/status/1502656642571198467?s=20&t=QKSXykxzj0gKtCet0Elr1w

Anyone speak Russian and able to verify?

Basically they're saying originally they weren't allowed to so much as look at civilians even, but now they were given the order to take out anyone who goes in their direction regardless of age or combatant status as things went badly before. They talk about shooting three people who were for some reason pointing a flashlight onto them.

In other words, if someone is going in their direction it is assumed they are a combatant at this point. Considering Ukraine armed civilians, it's less crazy than just shoot everyone randomly. The tone of the discussion is very exasperated as well, as if the people talking don't like what's happening but can't find a better solution.

 

[incelistan]

This meme with monkey Putin is getting a bit forced not gonna lie.

Is it the next 'Kyiv'?

 

[mindlessobserver]

No telling, but:

* There was no way Ukraine was going to win a conventional war with Russia and all the propaganda about Russians getting their asses kicked is about shoring up morale at home and encouraging direct Nato intervention by making it sound like the Ukies have a chance. I assume Russia did suffer setbacks and defeats, some of them truly embarrassing, but it doesn't seem to have attrited their forces to any great degree and they have plenty of reserves they can pull in and the sanctions have already escalated to the point they have little to lose by militarily escalating.

* It's not really lend-lease (lend lease countries paid in full, in shipments of gold), it's free weapons in the same style as handing Stingers to the Mujahedeen to shoot down Russian planes (nobody believes Ukraine is gonna be able to pay bills). Nato doesn't seem to expect a Ukrainian victory, they want to raise the cost of war to Russia. But this also raises the cost of war to Ukraine.

* It's not obvious how useful additional weapons will be to the Ukies at this stage. I don't think their army is operating as a unified command anymore, and it's gonna be extremely difficult to resupply Ukie troops in the East and South. I assume Kiev is already a fortified death trap, as much as that's possible in the modern era, which means the Russians - if they go in at all - will either try to starve them out or do extremely violent urban warfare with plenty of civilian casualties if they don't/aren't allowed to evacuate.

* Ukies look a lot more flexible than Russian troops. Fighting an unconventional, decentralized hit and run war against the invader is their strongest play. Won't change the outcome but it will hit Russian morale badly, stress their supply chain even more and could buy time for a negotiated settlement where Russians see the sense in quickly leaving areas they're not wanted. Nobody wants another Afghanistan. But that only works if the Ukies are also prepared to compromise in some pretty painful ways - if they insist on Zelensky's rhetoric of Kiev having to be bombed into flaming rubble they'll get that instead.


Morale is very important, but not as much as bullets and food. I think the Russians talked themselves into half-believing normie Ukies would immediately surrender and then shower them with flowers and free vodka. That seems like a dumb assumption. I think the Ukies thought the US/EU/Nato would rush to fight Russians on their behalf, which is another dumb assumption.

The fly in the ointment with your analysis is the cities. In a conventional campaign of maneuver out on the Steppe the Ukrainians will get their ass handed to them every time, but that's not the kind of war they are fighting. Instead they are hold key cities and chokepoints like Mariople and getting the bulk of the Russian Army bogged down in a siege while their irregulars conduct harassing attacks on the supply convoys supporting those sieges.

It's proving to be massively effective, in that 3 weeks in now the Russia Army still has not been able to effectively approach Kiev while the assault on Odessa seems to have been called off entirely with forces being redirected to support Mariople.

The Russians didn't bring enough material into the initial invasion to maintain three massive urban sieges. Their entire force should have been concentrated on taking each city one at a time in methodical procession. Instead they tried to hit everything at once in a massive decapitation strike and have opened the door to a Defeat in Detail. Ukraine still has Freedom of Maneuver west of the Dneiper and is continuing to gather more forces while Russia is scrambling, apparently bringing in Syrian troops and trying to get Belarus involved.

 

[Random Internet Person]

It could in theory. But it isn't in reality. The threat is so overblown on its face that buying it is laughable. And beyond people buying propaganda, which I will be fair and say happens on both sides of any issue, a lot of people are pro-Putin to essentially 'own the libs' or in kinder terms to be contrarian.

I'm not super surprised in all of this. A lot of the newer alternative talking heads on youtube and the like are notoriously anti-war and soft on Russia. Tim Pool doesn't have the brains to push back on the Anti-Ukraine BS when his guests spout it, and his news editor Cassandra Fairbanks is virulently wanting to ride Putin's dick. Steve Bannon keeps ringing his CHINAAAAA bell, and apologizing for the bald shitheel that is Putin.

On the left, the ones who have moved away from the mainstream progressivism, Glenn Greenwald, Jimmy Dore, Hassan, Matt Taibi and Tulsi Gabbard fall back into USA sucks mode... mixed with their anti war conspiracy mindset it makes sense that they would fall for the bad info from idiots like Oliver Stone, whose love of dictators is older than most of the Pro-Putin people he is giving excuses to.

Then again, populists always suck at foreign policy, so I shouldn't be surprised that the Populist Left and Right are united in this.

How did Obama address Russian and Chinese aggression? I’d imagine that Russia and China would easily just go full speed ahead with their plans for dominating regions if they could get away with it and gain support if it meant “owning the liberals”.

I think if there was ever a chance to draw down NATO, it is gone now. The only way NATO falls is if someone attacks a member and the rest of them look at it and go... nah... not gonna defend them after all.

At least it could prevent WWIII? But would every member nation really just not give a shit because they’re sure they won’t be next?

so you're suggesting America is going to annex Canada? are you kidding?

If it means fighting Chinese influence and saying goodbye to negligible labor costs….

So this explains the real reason why Russia wants to stop Ukraine from being assimilated into NATO, Russia's oil & gas driven GDP is threatened by Ukraine joining NATO because they too have untapped oil & gas reserves & would both be competing for the same customers in a situation where Russia would lose hand over fist because NATO specifically exists to be anti-Russia because nobody ever got over the Cold War.

This is so much less of a retarded reason to go after Ukraine than just "NATO will give Ukraine more powerful missiles & threaten the Russian border." It's entirely economic, which further explains why Russia were kicked off the SWIFT system, because even if they take over Ukraine, they can't personally benefit from their oil & gas reserves if no one is willing to trade with them, it's an attack of resource denial in which the currency is denied because the oil & gas can't be.

This pretty much explains everything.

Makes sense. But then Russia will just sell to countries that hate NATO as much as they do. Like China. And wherever China tells them to sell.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Obligatory Cat photo for today, March 12. 2022

I can't even tell if that's a Russian or Ukrainian since I don't read slav

 

[Simpadoo]

This is wrong but you do you fren. It's a free Internet - you get to believe whatever you want.

I recommend you brush up on how current induction works.

Tin foil and shielded cable works every time. Sorry. Both cheap to do.

 

[Gondola Enjoyer]

Considering Ukraine armed civilians, it's less crazy than just shoot everyone randomly.

A week or so ago my local news ran a segment about the Ukrainian government handing out tens of thousands of AKs to civilians, praising guerrilla fighters who roll up to Russian armor in shitbox Ladas and throw molotovs at them and such. Then the very next segment they brought on some boomer military advisor, who proceeded to say shit like "Russia's goal in Ukraine is the complete destruction of the civilian population" and then spent about ten minutes explaining how the Russian military returning fire at the civvies who attempt to kill them is the beginning of a genocide.

 

[RainwaterDrop]

The fly in the ointment with your analysis is the cities. In a conventional campaign of maneuver out on the Steppe the Ukrainians will get their ass handed to them every time, but that's not the kind of war they are fighting. Instead they are hold key cities and chokepoints like Mariople and getting the bulk of the Russian Army bogged down in a siege while their irregulars conduct harassing attacks on the supply convoys supporting those sieges.

It's proving to be massively effective, in that 3 weeks in now the Russia Army still has not been able to effectively approach Kiev while the assault on Odessa seems to have been called off entirely with forces being redirected to support Mariople.

The Russians didn't bring enough material into the initial invasion to maintain three massive urban sieges. Their entire force should have been concentrated on taking each city one at a time in methodical procession. Instead they tried to hit everything at once in a massive decapitation strike and have opened the door to a Defeat in Detail. Ukraine still has Freedom of Maneuver west of the Dneiper and is continuing to gather more forces while Russia is scrambling, apparently bringing in Syrian troops and trying to get Belarus involved.

Considering how publicly enraged Russia was at Ukraine hiring mercenaries, despite their public calls for manpower from Central Africa, Syria, Belarus and their own prisons, it's clear this war is being more costly than they care to admit. They are holding the front well and bleeding them slowly, attacking supply lines and helping in keeping morale up. The U.N.'s rebuttal of the obvious horseshit about biological weapons shows that the control of the narrative is firmly in Ukrainian hands, and that too is key in keeping morale up. The longer Ukraine grinds Russia to dust, the better their situation becomes!

 

[Random Internet Person]

A week or so ago my local news ran a segment about the Ukrainian government handing out tens of thousands of AKs to civilians, praising guerrilla fighters who roll up to Russian armor in shitbox Ladas and throw molotovs at them and such. Then the very next segment they brought on some boomer military advisor, who proceeded to say shit like "Russia's goal in Ukraine is the complete destruction of the civilian population" and then spent about ten minutes explaining how the Russian military returning fire at the civvies who attempt to kill them is the beginning of a genocide.

Ah, Red Dawn fantasies.

 

[Reddit Gold]

Darn. Well a lifetime of endless suffering is more fitting for redditors then a quick death. So I'm ok with it.

Dilettantes should not be going to fight in a war they have no skin in, for Twitter likes and reddit karma, especially as mercenaries. They are not even doing it for free ($2,000 US/day).

"Actions have consequences, sweaty", to quote one of the redditor's favorite refrains.

I just want to see otherkin transbian neckbeards mud wrestling hapless VDV studs to the grave.

 

[Screamer]

I think "New Hitler" is actually a pretty good term to try to lampoon this line of thinking. Maybe something a bit more hyperbolic though, like "Super Hitler" or "Darth Hitler", just as a way to immediately frame their talking points as an unrealistic and childish. The libshits I know would probably feel embarrassed and super self conscious if every time we disagreed over *person they dislike* I just kept facetiously referring to them as "Darth Hitler" instead of "Putin" or "Trump".

Somehow Hitler returned.

 

[A_Callow_Youth]

The fly in the ointment with your analysis is the cities. In a conventional campaign of maneuver out on the Steppe the Ukrainians will get their ass handed to them every time, but that's not the kind of war they are fighting. Instead they are hold key cities and chokepoints like Mariople and getting the bulk of the Russian Army bogged down in a siege while their irregulars conduct harassing attacks on the supply convoys supporting those sieges.

It's proving to be massively effective, in that 3 weeks in now the Russia Army still has not been able to effectively approach Kiev while the assault on Odessa seems to have been called off entirely with forces being redirected to support Mariople.

The Russians didn't bring enough material into the initial invasion to maintain three massive urban sieges. Their entire force should have been concentrated on taking each city one at a time in methodical procession. Instead they tried to hit everything at once in a massive decapitation strike and have opened the door to a Defeat in Detail. Ukraine still has Freedom of Maneuver west of the Dneiper and is continuing to gather more forces while Russia is scrambling, apparently bringing in Syrian troops and trying to get Belarus involved.

When you put it that way, it really does remind me of the Winter War. The thing that really fucked Russia there was that they wanted to show the world that they were a real military juggernaut, just like Germany, so they came up with a needlessly complicated battle scheme with no consideration given to the USSR's logistical shortcomings, the terrain, or the idea that maybe they didn't need to do anything fancy when they could just beeline for the capital, and once they got their heads out of their asses and did precisely that, they won pretty quickly, and it only cost them all vestiges of respect for their military the world had left to offer.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Ah, Red Dawn fantasies.

1984 Red Dawn was a Cold War product of its time. Red Dawn 2012 was a bad imitation too chickenshit to use the CCP and is also a product of the neocon Cold War 2.0. Guess which one is better?

 

[mindlessobserver]

When you put it that way, it really does remind me of the Winter War. The thing that really fucked Russia there was that they wanted to show the world that they were a real military juggernaut, just like Germany, so they came up with a needlessly complicated battle scheme with no consideration given to the USSR's logistical shortcomings, the terrain, or the idea that maybe they didn't need to do anything fancy when they could just beeline for the capital, and once they got their heads out of their asses and did precisely that, they won pretty quickly, and it only cost them all vestiges of respect for their military the world had left to offer.

The big difference though is Russia doesn't have the forces to concentrate. Their entire western army has become engaged along a 1,000 kilometer front and is in a death struggle with three urban centers. The soviets ended the winter war by bring up another wave of soldiers as big as the initial invasions and just charging straight foreword as you said. Putin does not have that luxury.

He's got forces in active conflict zone in Georgia, Syria and Kazakhstan that he can't easily pull out. He would need to call up his reserve divisions and that will take at least a few weeks. Weeks he does not have. Finland surrendered because they literally had no more manpower to stop the Soviets. Ukraine on the other hand has barely started to tap into their manpower reserves.

 

[TheClappening]

In a weird intersection of weebs and slavs, Crunchyroll joins the virtue signallers boycotting Russia. Because preventing russkis from watching Chinese cartoons will stop the invasion.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/12/22974228/sony-halts-crunchyroll-theatrical-releases-russia-ukraine

https://archive.ph/mIt2W

Spoiler

Sony Pictures Entertainment (SPE) has suspended all operations in Russia, halting home entertainment releases, such as Spider-Man: No Way Home, and temporarily blocking access to its anime streaming service, Crunchyroll, according to a report from Variety. The move will also pause any TV distribution deals in the country.

“We stand with many businesses around the world who have now paused their business operations in Russia, and in support of the humanitarian efforts currently underway in Ukraine and the surrounding region,” SPE CEO Tony Vinciquerra said in an email to employees seen by Variety. “We have also halted our planned home entertainment releases, including ‘Spider-Man: No Way Home,’ and any future television distribution deals. And just this morning, Crunchyroll suspended its anime streaming service in Russia”

Sony, which owns anime streaming service Funimation, purchased Crunchyroll last August and later announced that it would be merging both services — a process that has already started taking place. As pointed out by ComicBook.com, a translated message on Crunchyroll’s Russian website says that it’s “forced to suspend its work in Russia,” and notes that users won’t be charged for their subscriptions while the service goes dark in the country. Funimation already isn’t available in Russia.

Sony already pulled Morbius and other future theatrical releases from Russia last month, with the Sony-owned PlayStation suspending all sales and shipments to the country early this week. Sony’s music division announced that it’s shutting down its operations in Russia on Thursday.


In addition to Sony, entertainment giants spanning television, movies, and gaming have also yanked sales and services from Russia, including Warner Bros., Disney, Paramount, Universal, Netflix, and quite a few major gaming companies.

 

[MrJokerRager]

A week or so ago my local news ran a segment about the Ukrainian government handing out tens of thousands of AKs to civilians, praising guerrilla fighters who roll up to Russian armor in shitbox Ladas and throw molotovs at them and such. Then the very next segment they brought on some boomer military advisor, who proceeded to say shit like "Russia's goal in Ukraine is the complete destruction of the civilian population" and then spent about ten minutes explaining how the Russian military returning fire at the civvies who attempt to kill them is the beginning of a genocide.

Currently stateside, the kiked nigger lovers in Congress passed a bill to help Ukraine.

They also snuck in two gun control bills to fuck with people who don't pass the NCIS and a red flag law basically.

Never let a crisis go to waste.

 

[Pissmaster]

This meme with monkey Putin is getting a bit forced not gonna lie.

It reminds me of that Tiny Trump meme, where Redditors photoshopped Trump to look short as an insult. Mainstream outlets tried pushing it, but it didn't stick at all (because the left can't meme).

Monkey Putin is about as retarded. It doesn't look like Putin if you weren't already primed to look for him, and "monkey" doesn't come to mind at all when you think Putin. Monkey GW Bush actually worked, because, well, look at Dubya's face:

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

In a weird intersection of weebs and slavs, Crunchyroll joins the virtue signallers boycotting Russia. Because preventing russkis from watching Chinese cartoons will stop the invasion.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/12/22974228/sony-halts-crunchyroll-theatrical-releases-russia-ukraine

https://archive.ph/mIt2W

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Spoiler

Sony Pictures Entertainment (SPE) has suspended all operations in Russia, halting home entertainment releases, such as Spider-Man: No Way Home, and temporarily blocking access to its anime streaming service, Crunchyroll, according to a report from Variety. The move will also pause any TV distribution deals in the country.

“We stand with many businesses around the world who have now paused their business operations in Russia, and in support of the humanitarian efforts currently underway in Ukraine and the surrounding region,” SPE CEO Tony Vinciquerra said in an email to employees seen by Variety. “We have also halted our planned home entertainment releases, including ‘Spider-Man: No Way Home,’ and any future television distribution deals. And just this morning, Crunchyroll suspended its anime streaming service in Russia”

Sony, which owns anime streaming service Funimation, purchased Crunchyroll last August and later announced that it would be merging both services — a process that has already started taking place. As pointed out by ComicBook.com, a translated message on Crunchyroll’s Russian website says that it’s “forced to suspend its work in Russia,” and notes that users won’t be charged for their subscriptions while the service goes dark in the country. Funimation already isn’t available in Russia.

Sony already pulled Morbius and other future theatrical releases from Russia last month, with the Sony-owned PlayStation suspending all sales and shipments to the country early this week. Sony’s music division announced that it’s shutting down its operations in Russia on Thursday.


In addition to Sony, entertainment giants spanning television, movies, and gaming have also yanked sales and services from Russia, including Warner Bros., Disney, Paramount, Universal, Netflix, and quite a few major gaming companies.

And nothing with value was lost.

 

[Drain Todger]

Just…how easy is it to become pro Putin in this whole thing?

"Time to get on the right side of history, CHUD!" -Reddit

Spoiler: NSFL Redditor about to go save Ukraine

He looks a lot like Dr. Robotnik to me for some reason.

"Feelin' cute. Might go catch that blue rodent and inject him with coronavirus later, idk."

I also tweet replied this to Peter Daszak because fuck that motherfucker and his bro too.