Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Bob jensen]

Please don't, you were blindsided by an entire movement which would be impossible for one person to defend themselves against, let alone another loved one.

Thank you for reminding me to forgive myself for whatever I think did wrong or didn't do right.. I lose sight of how important that is to healing

 

[Rod Sterling]

Every now and then I pop in from reactions on my previous posts, and I very badly want to give people some motivational words but this thread bums me out. Hang in there fellow troon victims and remember that sometimes you can only do so much for someone who doesn't care for your opinion in the first place.

Reading people's perspectives from a romantic relationship standpoint skeeves me out in a way I can't explain. Especially @Taco Salad 's story. I wonder if that was the situation with my mom, where nothing was brought up until later on. I don't bother asking since I know she's over it and I'd rather not bother her, but it just makes me feel...some kind of way knowing that she'd had to deal with all the spending and lying on top of trying to keep the troonery away for the sake of the family. Ugh.

I never mentioned that after I figured out a majority of things halfway through middle school, I used to be terrified of coming home when it was just my dad at the house. I never knew what he'd be doing, if I'd find random wig hair and just bleach it out of my mind, or maybe a suicide scene because I know something wasn't mentally right (even though I was too young to really reason why). It's a bad feeling when you can't trust your parent to just be decent. If I came home and the laundry was randomly bring done when it was just him there, like by high school I knew but you just have to play dumb and keep the horror down. I kept quiet to not stress out my mom or brother more but carrying all that sucked.

 

[Taco Salad]

So I put together a google doc that gathers evidence that my ex has been lying to his customers/fans/simps about being a CIS female, as well as ample proof that he is in fact transgender. I feel like my proof is pretty thorough, and if anyone still doubts that he's trans afterwards, then they're legally blind. (I could argue that anyone who thinks he's CIS regardless is pretty blind, though he's smart enough to hide his face in most pics, or drench himself in makeup when he does show it.)
I am currently debating whether I should go through with releasing it or not... mainly due to concerns about the potential backlash. Which is dumb imo, because all I feel that I am doing is showing the truth. The guy is a fucking hypocrite and a manipulative liar, and this shit isn't okay when people's money is involved. I'm the only one who can and is willing to expose him for what he is with concrete proof. But of course, I'm sure woke people are going to be woke and rag me out for being a "transphobe." I have absolutely no delusion that his response to this would be anything less than typing up an essay sob-story about how unfair it is that he can't just be treated as and seen the exact same as a CIS woman. Since he's manipulative, he'll absolutely find a way to use my actions to play himself up as a victim for sympathy.

I don't think this is doxing - as shown in the doc, he tweeted his full name once, and spoke both his birth name and trans name in a public video on YouTube. His mother's Facebook is public. The only thing questionable is that I'm sharing images and posts from his friends-only Facebook account - it all used to be public, but no doubt he hid it after gaining a following due to the blatant proof on it that he isn't CIS.
As far as the backlash potential goes, I feel like I'm more or less safe. I don't really have much in the way of personal social media (my FB has everything set to private). The most he could do is reveal my full name and my amateur art-related accounts which I barely ever post anything on, and don't link to my RL identity. People could also scroll through the hundreds of Venezuelan propaganda and Jesus pics on the mom's account to find the pics of us together and see my appearance, I guess. I've thankfully lost some weight and grew out my hair so I'm potentially not even that recognizable now. What's the worst the simps can do? Tell my workplace that I exposed my ex's lies on the internet where he was manipulating straight dudes into paying for his fetish pics? Then again, it is a clownworld...

What do you guys think? I know this sort of thing shouldn't be done lightly, but his manipulative and hypocritical lying really pisses me off, especially when it's the same sort of shit he pulled with me. But I know that maybe blind simps deserve to unknowingly coom to trans tits if they can't tell the difference. Maybe this is too personally motivated, though I would love to see even a small percentage of his supporters turn on him for years of lying to their faces for cash.
Alternatively, instead of just spamming the doc all over his discord server and socials, I could use it as blackmail and send him a PM to demand that he reveal the truth and admit his lies to his followers within x amount of time, or else I'll do it myself by sharing the doc. I'll add that if he paints himself as a victim, then that doc goes public regardless.
I'm dumb about this sort of shit and prone to acting impulsively, so I figured I'd ask here for advice first.
The third alternative is to just sit on it and turn my disdain into twisted enjoyment as I watch blind coomers ignorantly simp for an obvious troon. If he's allowed to continue his delusions entirely unimpeded, then perhaps he'll one day transform from cringey into a cow. (Tbh I used to think he was already a cow until I stumbled across this site.)

Though I do have something that's fairly to share. Have a "legal document" that he typed up in complete seriousness out of jealous rage that I wanted to maintain an online friendship with someone who told him to his face (online) that he was possessive and toxic to me. In this document, he offers me the "privilege" of continuing to be friends with this person so long as I agree to a large number of favors to his benefit (including sexual RP of his fetishes, drawing him fetish art, spending all my free time with him, etc.):

Spoiler: Actual Insanity

Terms of Agreement: August 8th, 2017

Foreward:
To all concerned;
The following is a contractual agreement between Party A (Monica Marquez) and her wife, Party B (Taco Salad) over the terms and regulations in regards to visitation rights with Party C (Taco Salad's Friend). Upon agreeing to these terms Party B is granting all privilege to go against these terms over to Party A’s discretion, and is thus allowing them to be forfeit. In addition to this, agreeing to these terms and conditions will also be agreeing to their non-disclosure. If this contract, or any of its details, are to be released to anyone other than Party A or Party B, then the Terms of Agreement will be considered breached and the full punishment will thereafter be delivered onto whoever breached the contract.

Terms:
Upon agreeing to these Terms of Agreement, Party A must grant full access to public friendship with Party C. Party A will also grant Party B the following rights and privileges.
Party A will not grow to be either anguished, envious, jealous, or angry openly in regards to Party B’s friendship with Party C.
Party A will allot full and unrestricted play and social time between Party B and Party C whenever Party A is not present at home, up to fifteen minutes after she arrives at home, and after loss of consciousness.
Party A will also agree not to pry into any and all private conversations between Party B and Party C without Party B’s permission, and will no longer grant herself complete and unrestricted access to Party B’s Discord in regards to Party C as long as Party A and Party B remained in accords with this Terms of Agreement.
Party A will do her very best to remain kind and honest to Party B, and will not engage in the following acts;
Despair
Terror
Hysteria
Outrage
Party A will keep her status as a MtF Transgender a secret from her mother and will under no circumstances directly or indirectly inform her mother of her status as a MtF either through direct verbal, written or physical interactions.
Party A will grant Party B a bi-weekly grant of $50USD to be placed towards a tablet of her choice, to be discontinued upon the purchase being made.

Upon agreeing to this contract Party B must oblige by the following:
Party B may not engage in social or play time with Party C after Fifteen(15) minutes of Party A’s arrival home.
Party B shall grant full consent to fulfill the following weekly tasks:
1 Movie Night per week
1 Date Night per two weeks.
1 Anime viewing between 2-3 times weekly.
2 Sexual Interactions weekly (excluding extenuating circumstances), including
Breast Expansion from both parties.
Armpit play involving both parties.
Explicitly described acts of bursting from both parties.
Explicit acts of sexual deviance until Party A is satisfied.
Sleeping at the same time as Party A at least 3 times weekly (excluding extenuating circumstances).
Party B shall begin practicing their Art Forms regularly, at least 3 times weekly (excluding extenuating circumstances), including at least 1 piece of Expansion/Fetish related art as requested by Party A.
Party B shall consent to a long walk with Party A at least 3 times weekly where both parties involved will become involved with discussions in regards to life, existence, and the universe.
Party B will not engage in acts of lying in regards to social or play time with Party C, and Party B will therefore after also no longer consent in slander in regards to Party A.
If Party A begins to play a MMORPG (Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game), then Party B must also consent to playing the same game to the following capacity;
Downloading the game
Creating a Character in the game (if Character Creation is an existing function)
Playing said game with Party A upon inquiry of consent if there is no direct dislike or cause brought against the game itself that Party A is playing (I.E, if Party B dislikes the game.).
Once a week, Party A has access to an additional term that will last for the rest of the day that Party B must consent to (though bargaining can be utilized to change the severity of this request). Party A cannot ask for anything that is physically impossible for this temporary term, and cannot ask for anything with prolonged conditions that have been breached upon this term being brought about due to underlying circumstances.

*Weeks shall be considered to start on Tuesday at 12:00AM and end on Monday at 11:59PM

Breach of Contract:
If the Terms of Agreement are found to be broken or in breach, the following penalties will be set into place in regards to the number of times this contract has been Breached and/or the severity of the Term that has been breached. Once the penalty for a 3rd Offence has been issued, the contract will be rewritten with harsher penalties and requirements for both parties involved in order to promote further sustainability between all Parties involved and the binding contract therein.

Party A:
1 Offence: All Terms placed upon Party B shall become null for the rest of the day.
2 Offences: All Terms placed upon Party B shall become null for the rest of the week.
3 Offences: All Terms placed upon Party B shall become null until the contract is renewed on August 8th, 2018.

Party B:
1 Offence: The breast size of a single character in [a story that my ex was helping me write] becomes forfeit and will thus canonically be placed under the whim of Party A.
2 Offences: The body styles, genders, and roles of all characters in [a story that my ex was helping me write] becomes forfeit and will thus canonically be placed under the whim of Party A.
3 Offences: The continued work in regards to [a story that my ex was helping me write] shall be placed on-hold indefinitely.

It isn't satire - he wrote it in unironic seriousness, and then had a meltdown when I refused to follow it any longer after the first week. So glad I got out of there.

 

[BroccoliBrain]

I used to be terrified of coming home when it was just my dad at the house.

I haven't gone back to read your posts but I keep stories like this in my head as a reminder that this sick shit is never okay, no matter how much they try to say it's all love and peace and consent.

Bs, personal experience is that speech got better with age. And good luck getting a young autistic kid to actually do the exercises provided by the therapist. They are repetitive and feels pointless. And I'm of the opinion that strengthening the core muscularity through hitting the gym had more effect.

Maybe he did do them, you don't know what his experience was or what kind of kid he used to be. I never said how old we were when I met him but by the time I did he would've had many years to get better with age. I still chalk his recent transing up to being too open, everyone who isn't blackpilled is picking the ideology up like a hobby.

 

[Sarcastic sockpuppet]

@tacosalad anybody with eyes should be able to fitgure out that this individual is a troon, maybe his audience is mostly chasers

 

[Aunt Carol]

Though I do have something that's fairly to share. Have a "legal document" that he typed up in complete seriousness out of jealous rage that I wanted to maintain an online friendship with someone who told him to his face (online) that he was possessive and toxic to me. In this document, he offers me the "privilege" of continuing to be friends with this person so long as I agree to a large number of favors to his benefit (including sexual RP of his fetishes, drawing him fetish art, spending all my free time with him, etc.):

Spoiler: Actual Insanity

Terms of Agreement: August 8th, 2017

Foreward:
To all concerned;
The following is a contractual agreement between Party A (Monica Marquez) and her wife, Party B (Taco Salad) over the terms and regulations in regards to visitation rights with Party C (Taco Salad's Friend). Upon agreeing to these terms Party B is granting all privilege to go against these terms over to Party A’s discretion, and is thus allowing them to be forfeit. In addition to this, agreeing to these terms and conditions will also be agreeing to their non-disclosure. If this contract, or any of its details, are to be released to anyone other than Party A or Party B, then the Terms of Agreement will be considered breached and the full punishment will thereafter be delivered onto whoever breached the contract.

Terms:
Upon agreeing to these Terms of Agreement, Party A must grant full access to public friendship with Party C. Party A will also grant Party B the following rights and privileges.
Party A will not grow to be either anguished, envious, jealous, or angry openly in regards to Party B’s friendship with Party C.
Party A will allot full and unrestricted play and social time between Party B and Party C whenever Party A is not present at home, up to fifteen minutes after she arrives at home, and after loss of consciousness.
Party A will also agree not to pry into any and all private conversations between Party B and Party C without Party B’s permission, and will no longer grant herself complete and unrestricted access to Party B’s Discord in regards to Party C as long as Party A and Party B remained in accords with this Terms of Agreement.
Party A will do her very best to remain kind and honest to Party B, and will not engage in the following acts;
Despair
Terror
Hysteria
Outrage
Party A will keep her status as a MtF Transgender a secret from her mother and will under no circumstances directly or indirectly inform her mother of her status as a MtF either through direct verbal, written or physical interactions.
Party A will grant Party B a bi-weekly grant of $50USD to be placed towards a tablet of her choice, to be discontinued upon the purchase being made.

Upon agreeing to this contract Party B must oblige by the following:
Party B may not engage in social or play time with Party C after Fifteen(15) minutes of Party A’s arrival home.
Party B shall grant full consent to fulfill the following weekly tasks:
1 Movie Night per week
1 Date Night per two weeks.
1 Anime viewing between 2-3 times weekly.
2 Sexual Interactions weekly (excluding extenuating circumstances), including
Breast Expansion from both parties.
Armpit play involving both parties.
Explicitly described acts of bursting from both parties.
Explicit acts of sexual deviance until Party A is satisfied.
Sleeping at the same time as Party A at least 3 times weekly (excluding extenuating circumstances).
Party B shall begin practicing their Art Forms regularly, at least 3 times weekly (excluding extenuating circumstances), including at least 1 piece of Expansion/Fetish related art as requested by Party A.
Party B shall consent to a long walk with Party A at least 3 times weekly where both parties involved will become involved with discussions in regards to life, existence, and the universe.
Party B will not engage in acts of lying in regards to social or play time with Party C, and Party B will therefore after also no longer consent in slander in regards to Party A.
If Party A begins to play a MMORPG (Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game), then Party B must also consent to playing the same game to the following capacity;
Downloading the game
Creating a Character in the game (if Character Creation is an existing function)
Playing said game with Party A upon inquiry of consent if there is no direct dislike or cause brought against the game itself that Party A is playing (I.E, if Party B dislikes the game.).
Once a week, Party A has access to an additional term that will last for the rest of the day that Party B must consent to (though bargaining can be utilized to change the severity of this request). Party A cannot ask for anything that is physically impossible for this temporary term, and cannot ask for anything with prolonged conditions that have been breached upon this term being brought about due to underlying circumstances.

*Weeks shall be considered to start on Tuesday at 12:00AM and end on Monday at 11:59PM

Breach of Contract:
If the Terms of Agreement are found to be broken or in breach, the following penalties will be set into place in regards to the number of times this contract has been Breached and/or the severity of the Term that has been breached. Once the penalty for a 3rd Offence has been issued, the contract will be rewritten with harsher penalties and requirements for both parties involved in order to promote further sustainability between all Parties involved and the binding contract therein.

Party A:
1 Offence: All Terms placed upon Party B shall become null for the rest of the day.
2 Offences: All Terms placed upon Party B shall become null for the rest of the week.
3 Offences: All Terms placed upon Party B shall become null until the contract is renewed on August 8th, 2018.

Party B:
1 Offence: The breast size of a single character in [a story that my ex was helping me write] becomes forfeit and will thus canonically be placed under the whim of Party A.
2 Offences: The body styles, genders, and roles of all characters in [a story that my ex was helping me write] becomes forfeit and will thus canonically be placed under the whim of Party A.
3 Offences: The continued work in regards to [a story that my ex was helping me write] shall be placed on-hold indefinitely.

It isn't satire - he wrote it in unironic seriousness, and then had a meltdown when I refused to follow it any longer after the first week. So glad I got out of there.

Holy shit. If you ever have a moment of weakness, at least he did you the favor of writing up document to remind you he was not only crazy, but abusive.

It's anticlimactic, but I think that releasing that document is going to make it seem like you're being vindictive. It doesn't need to go into the specifics of you being an ex, for one thing. Too many words, too deep in the process.

If you really wanted to expose him, you could just reply to one of his "I'm not trans" posts with "this you?" <screenshot of full name reveal>
"this your mom?" <screenshot of mom page with last name>
"this you?" <screenshot of pre-trans acnebeast>

However, I completely agree with this:

@tacosalad anybody with eyes should be able to figure out that this individual is a troon, maybe his audience is mostly chasers

One good point is that if he does try to send the Internet after you, you can pull out that "contract" and explain that being trans wasn't the only thing he was trying to hide. Your ex seems like he's in with the old-fashioned coom troons, not the SJW troons, but proof of abuse would keep him from recruiting a personal army of TRAs.

 

[Rod Sterling]

@Taco Salad (sorry I can't quote you either) that contract is legitimately horrifying, I'm glad you got out of there when you could. I'm sorry you did have to experience it however.

I agree with Aunt Carol's post, keeping it more subtle would be the safest way. Though you might run into people who are just that desperate enough to genuinely not care so long as his face isn't shown. Ignorance is bliss after all, yikes. Either that or the more horrifying end would either be people who already knew that, or just gaining more following for people who's fetish is troons. Not easy to win when you have to deal with cumbrains, they will toss their money at anything that remotely satisfies their fetishes.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

I may sound like I'm over reacting, but I'm really worried my best friend of 20 years is heading down a path that might lead him to going trans. Over the past 3 years or so he's showing more and more signs of sexual deviancy. He's constantly "joking" about sharing his wife with me, he's "accidently" shown me nudes of his wife on his phone multiple times. Anytime me and her are together he's trying to goad her into showing me her tits and seemingly trying to get us drunk. This is all really annoying to me since I'm kind of a recovering sexual deviant (although today it would probably be considered "normal") and try to maintain a healthy, sober lifestyle.

I used to just blow it off as him having a weird sense of humor, but then I found out he's been hanging out with a bunch of people from high school who have since become hardcore trans supporters and apparently are into fucking each other. A lot of them were people he had a crush on back then but never got a chance to be with.

Then he randomly decides to get a crazy danger hair style, and seemed upset when I didn't like it. When I asked him why the hell he went through with it (he works in trades, it's not something that is going to endear him to anyone he works with) he just couldn't give me a straight answer, eventually settling on "I'm just having fun!"

I don't know. I know he's been having a lot of trouble at work and friction with his family so I kind of want to just say he's having some weird quarter life crisis, but then I always feel like that's the exact kind of shit that is leading people down these paths.

Am I just being a spaz or should I actually be worried? He was never the type of guy to be into this type of shit, but now I'm wondering if I ever really knew who the fuck he was in the first place...

 

[DumbDude42]

I may sound like I'm over reacting, but I'm really worried my best friend of 20 years is heading down a path that might lead him to going trans. Over the past 3 years or so he's showing more and more signs of sexual deviancy. He's constantly "joking" about sharing his wife with me, he's "accidently" shown me nudes of his wife on his phone multiple times. Anytime me and her are together he's trying to goad her into showing me her tits and seemingly trying to get us drunk. This is all really annoying to me since I'm kind of a recovering sexual deviant (although today it would probably be considered "normal") and try to maintain a healthy, sober lifestyle.

I used to just blow it off as him having a weird sense of humor, but then I found out he's been hanging out with a bunch of people from high school who have since become hardcore trans supporters. A lot of them were people he had a crush on back then but never got a chance to be with.

Then he randomly decides to get a crazy danger hair style, and seemed upset when I didn't like it. When I asked him why the hell he went through with it (he works in trades, it's not something that is going to endear him to anyone he works with) he just couldn't give me a straight answer, eventually settling on "I'm just having fun!"

I don't know. I know he's been having a lot of trouble at work and friction with his family so I kind of want to just say he's having some weird quarter life crisis, but then I always feel like that's the exact kind of shit that is leading people down these paths.

Am I just being a spaz or should I actually be worried? He was never the type of guy to be into this type of shit, but now I'm wondering if I ever really knew who the fuck he was in the first place...

trying to 'share' his wife with you can mean one of two things.
first option: it's his idea, and his wife plays along with it because she feels pressured. that would make him a degenerate cuckold fetishist.
second option: it's his wife's idea, and he plays along with it because he feels pressured. that would make him a spineless little bitch.

either way, both options mean that he's fucked in the head, one way or another. if i were you i'd start distancing myself from the guy emotionally, that will make it easier to cope when he inevitably crashes and burns.
or, depending on how close you are, you could try to have a serious conversation with him, figure out what exactly is going on and if there's a way to help. not sure if that's an option though, might just result in him feeling offended and pushing you away.

 

[NerdShamer]

@Taco Salad That "loss of consciousness" bit got an chuckle out of me; but at the end of the day, you'll be very close to getting into some legal trouble if you go through with your revenge scheme. Sure, it's justified; but what makes him different from every other eWhore who knows how to game their market? Outside of him being your ex?

 

[greenthrowaway]

changed my vote to 3, one of which has been mentioned on this site. Prob going to get blowback when I don’t use the pronouns nor tell them I’ll always be there for them but I will not address their new identity. When all this degeneracy ends in a decade or two and people tell you they weren’t a part of enabling this shit check receipts. Never trust anyone who supported this, they’ll do anything if they think the mob demands it.

Probably going to have to bury one of them in the next two years. All because of a manufactured fetish and that they couldn’t face aging and having the least “special” identity of middle aged white male.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Catching up.

And the kicker. She's just sure her 9 y o daughter is also going to be an enby too. I mean yeah if you start the indoctrination now I dare say she will be. And I dare say I'll end up fostering her in her teens like i did when you fucked up your sons head with your obsessive chasing of toxic men.

People into spiritual things and woo are much more likely to get into gendercult. The magical thinking and talk about the power of genders is already there, sometimes all it takes is a push.

I've stayed out of it, mostly, the kid did post about coming out as gay on coming-out day and I replied to that with a congratulations and wish for their safety and happiness. I haven't replied to my friend's posts and I'm not sure I'll be remaining friends with the family going forward, not every old friend needs be kept

Jesus christ how horrifying. Imagine being the kid trying to say "no, my parents just think I'm trans" to people and worrying about the social fallout of denying the trooning or your parents being batshit on that. But yeah, not every friend needs to be kept.

We stopped being friends because he asked me to testify in court on his behalf but I didn't.

You did the right choice.

Why yes they are stereotypical privileged non working leftists. And I say that as a leftist myself.
I still want wealth disturbutuon and equality of opportunities but I don't want

This is like a generation of being kicked in the balls if you're classically left. I feel you.

Besides, I've found that even users who dislike us tend to leave us be. The worst I've ever gotten was a negrate and a few names. Sure, there are threads about the evils of homosexuality, but I can just not browse them. Why do we need so much censorship when we can just ignore things we don't like? That, and people are allowed to hate the gays. Hell, most gays hate the gays, including themselves!

There's at least 3 rants in the Troon thread that are gays who are sick and tired of the lgbt+ movement I can think of off the top of my head.

There's a number of threads where people irrationally express anger at homos and then 1-5 other people come in and call them dumb. This is usually on lolcow threads where there's no point to politisperging. The threads in say A&H or here are something I don't agree with but don't touch since it's their vent corner.

I posted this already in another thread so I’ll keep it breif here. My cousin Rich was a vulnerable dude but when medicated was amazing. He got to college, nobody was watching his internet history, so he stopped taking his meds and trooned out. He killed himself back when Covid started after he started taking his meds again.

First of all, great username. Second, I read the original post and mam, what a ride. It's still a shame to lose a guy like that early to mental illness. Thanks for sharing.

probably because you hang out with leftist/progressive/woke people

One of the first people to troon out near me was a man who was dyehard red then trooned into a proud hard red womyxn. Friends dubbed him Catylin Jenner. The troon happens to everyone but is more likely in woke circles, I'm guessing drugs or pyramid schemes are the destructive spiral the right usually gets if they aren't seeking therapy for mental illness though.

Considering Kiwifarmers are more likely to hang out with mentally ill people, we're all fucked. The prey of this disease is autists, the mentally ill, those searching for a purpose, and the lonely. Also fetishist but lol.

he's "accidently" shown me nudes of his wife on his phone multiple times.

BIG red flag, maybe not as big for you but for the poor wife. That's a huge personal boundary he keeps crossing. I hope DumbDude is right but I'm guessing it's your friend's prerogative and not his wife.

Am I just being a spaz or should I actually be worried? He was never the type of guy to be into this type of shit, but now I'm wondering if I ever really knew who the fuck he was in the first place...

Worried. Run. Support the wife if she's your friend. This is a sea of red flags and this isn't your depressed or mildly autistic friend you might be able to sit down and offer extra guidance to, this is a guy ready and willing to follow his penis to wherever it leads him - damn the cost, the most dangerous troon type of all. Had he just been getting into fetishes MAYBE you could say something, but actively involving and pressuring both you and his wife shows he doesn't care about others, just getting his dick wet.

I'm not a professional psych by the way, take this with a grain of salt.

 

[gang weeder]

I may sound like I'm over reacting, but I'm really worried my best friend of 20 years is heading down a path that might lead him to going trans. Over the past 3 years or so he's showing more and more signs of sexual deviancy. He's constantly "joking" about sharing his wife with me, he's "accidently" shown me nudes of his wife on his phone multiple times. Anytime me and her are together he's trying to goad her into showing me her tits and seemingly trying to get us drunk. This is all really annoying to me since I'm kind of a recovering sexual deviant (although today it would probably be considered "normal") and try to maintain a healthy, sober lifestyle.

I used to just blow it off as him having a weird sense of humor, but then I found out he's been hanging out with a bunch of people from high school who have since become hardcore trans supporters and apparently are into fucking each other. A lot of them were people he had a crush on back then but never got a chance to be with.

Then he randomly decides to get a crazy danger hair style, and seemed upset when I didn't like it. When I asked him why the hell he went through with it (he works in trades, it's not something that is going to endear him to anyone he works with) he just couldn't give me a straight answer, eventually settling on "I'm just having fun!"

I don't know. I know he's been having a lot of trouble at work and friction with his family so I kind of want to just say he's having some weird quarter life crisis, but then I always feel like that's the exact kind of shit that is leading people down these paths.

Am I just being a spaz or should I actually be worried? He was never the type of guy to be into this type of shit, but now I'm wondering if I ever really knew who the fuck he was in the first place...

Go ahead and get ready to cut all ties.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

I remember a story from when I was in my late teens about how my mother was threatened by a person who was trans. It started when she was in the gas station pumping up gas for her car, when all of a sudden she noticed a man wearing a dress hanging out with two other women (one was slightly fat, thought the other was just somewhat fat – not that unhealthy).

The women were acting all loud and telling all these jokes when my mother was trying to figure out all that noise, and when she saw them, the trans person in question started mean mugging her for no reason at all. She said “she” looked like the person wanted to fight her for just simply looking at ”her” the wrong way.

I remember (though, somewhat) that she came back home in a very scared, though confused mood after that incident. If anything, I think(?) she never had any issue with trans people, let alone LGBT people prior to that point. Now, I don’t know what she thinks.

 

[Kung Pow Cream]

I'm getting very tired of troons. There's this one in my meatspace life that started out as an autistic man that would often make sex jokes and spout spongebob references. Now he says he's trans, named himself after a kid show character, doesn't do anything to pass, and now all he makes are trans jokes, sex jokes, and period jokes. Funny thing is that he still knows nothing about the female anatomy. He thought that tampons breaks the hymen. He's hoping to get bottom surgery done and that's not gonna happen soon because he doesn't have a job. To be quite honest, I never liked him to begin with. He's getting new trans friends so hopefully he'll latch onto them and leave us alone.

It's funny because he does all the stuff that typical TiMs do. He talks about wanting to be an anime girl (he's a nerdy fat man), he has now started to wear a mask in pictures to hide his chin (it doesn't help at all), and he has to wear trans pride colors all the time because HE NEEDS PEOPLE TO KNOW HE'S TRANS. He NEEDS to acknowledge his transness all the time. I'm not sure if it's due to his autistic nature but this definitely reminds me of when autists bring up a certain thing impulsively. For example, this one autistic coworker would always mention the fact that carbonation makes her sick when anything involving a carbonated drink comes into the conversation. It's like they can't help it.

I think that mental help professionals should look more deeply as to examining WHY an individual wants to troon out and treat the underlying causes instead of encouraging unhealthy delusions and body images. How is being trans any different from any other body image disorder? We do not hand bulimics icapec syrup.

There are professionals that would like to do that but they can't anymore because trying to stop someone from transitioning is considered conversion therapy. There are shitty therapists. I've heard of many shitty therapists. But there's also therapists that are legit trying to help you. Transitioning does not help you. It doesn't lessen your dysphoria. It doesn't make you happy. It just increases the dysphoria or shifts the dysphoria to something else.

Let's say you're just tired of your tits. You hate them so much and you want to remove them. The doctor gives you the okay and they lop off your tits. However, your brain isn't fixed so it starts looking for another feminine thing to focus on. Then you get another alteration and then your brain focuses on something else. Again and again until you kill yourself from the repeated agony of your brain constantly reminding you of something distressing, you die from complications of the surgery, or you kill yourself after realizing what you've done to your body. Your body isn't the problem. It's your brain.

I may sound like I'm over reacting, but I'm really worried my best friend of 20 years is heading down a path that might lead him to going trans. Over the past 3 years or so he's showing more and more signs of sexual deviancy. He's constantly "joking" about sharing his wife with me, he's "accidently" shown me nudes of his wife on his phone multiple times. Anytime me and her are together he's trying to goad her into showing me her tits and seemingly trying to get us drunk. This is all really annoying to me since I'm kind of a recovering sexual deviant (although today it would probably be considered "normal") and try to maintain a healthy, sober lifestyle.

I used to just blow it off as him having a weird sense of humor, but then I found out he's been hanging out with a bunch of people from high school who have since become hardcore trans supporters and apparently are into fucking each other. A lot of them were people he had a crush on back then but never got a chance to be with.

Then he randomly decides to get a crazy danger hair style, and seemed upset when I didn't like it. When I asked him why the hell he went through with it (he works in trades, it's not something that is going to endear him to anyone he works with) he just couldn't give me a straight answer, eventually settling on "I'm just having fun!"

I don't know. I know he's been having a lot of trouble at work and friction with his family so I kind of want to just say he's having some weird quarter life crisis, but then I always feel like that's the exact kind of shit that is leading people down these paths.

Am I just being a spaz or should I actually be worried? He was never the type of guy to be into this type of shit, but now I'm wondering if I ever really knew who the fuck he was in the first place...

I've observed and interacted with trans people and I can probably tell you exactly what's happening. He's becoming an autogynephile.

It started with his "friends" indulging his fetishes and letting him fuck them. Then they started to talk about you're either a girl or a boy and girls and boys can only have certain traits. If you're a feminine man, you might be trans. If you like certain things, you might be trans. If you act a certain way, you might be trans. If you have certain fetishes, you might be trans. All they need is to get questioning your identity and then they have you hook, line, and sinker. His family is being terrible and his work is bad but those "friends" are so nice! They're so accepting! And they let him do things that he wants! Plus, he always wanted to be around them when he was growing up so now he'll do many things to stay.

That danger hair is the first sign. Most trans people start modifying their hair and body to feel more comfortable with themselves. He's not "Just having fun", he's starting to becoming something that's going to kill him. I bet he's also constantly talking to them via messages.

If you don't try to disconnect him from that group of people, they're going to keep changing him until he's not your friend that you once knew. He'll probably be needy, aggressive, depressive, and obsessive.

 

[Bob jensen]

The recurring theme I see is that no one wants to be cut off from lifelong friends, family members, their own children.
Stand strong.
Today at family dinner the topic arose of the Supreme Court Biden nominee saying she wasn't a biologist and therefore couldn't define a woman.
My "trans" child came back jestingly with "then I guess I can't define cheese because I'm not a cow".. and she found it ridiculous in every way it is.
Keep fighting. Keep pointing out the ridiculous.
Keep making them see this.
Make them think.

 

[Spangled Drongo]

Noticed several troon-outs from my old high school lately - most notably a person I'd say was my closest friend until suddenly, totally out of the blue, she decided she wanted nothing to do with me or anyone else she'd gotten along with in the past. We haven't spoken since and she's got me blocked on most social media, but recently I stumbled upon a new account she made to show off her art, as she is quite talented when it comes to drawing, and I recognised the name and art style immediately.

She's now non binary with "she/they" pronouns, a furry, Wiccan, and draws porn despite claiming to be asexual. When I knew her she first told me she was bi (which I had no problem with), then later pansexual (still don't understand the difference) and was in fact the one who introduced me to Tumblr, where she took part in all the major fandoms of the time, so I should have seen it coming from a mile away, but it's still quite sad to see someone you deeply cared about fall victim to the gender cult. Though based on the photos she's posted she looks mostly the same as I remember, still dresses incredibly girly (but in more of an urban hippie, flower crown sense), so I don't understand why she's now NB. But from my experience most "she/they"s are socially awkward biological females who want to be special while putting in as little effort as possible, won't get hormones or surgery, but insist they're still valid! due to self identity.

 

[Ukraine is Big Gay]

From my experience with vulnerable friends trooning out, If they are already terminally woketarded and only talk about TRANS RIGHTS TRANS RIGHTS and their profile is a quilt of colors you are basically in the no win scenario, this is the wheezing gaunt stuck in an iron lung phase of the mind virus. If they are still able to crack jokes and not fall into a stereotype loop there's a chance to intervene or them to bounce back from it.

A three pronged truth bomb that destroys the hons from within is simply letting people know in advance how they operate and to watch for the patterns and very carefully word and structure the breakdown of them. No need to even cite exhaustive sources because they are so predictable that the "sisterhood." will out itself on it's own if you plant the seeds of information early enough. Even if they tell you to go fuck yourself and block you. They will run into every last thing you brought up eventually.

1)Aggressive recruitment, no long term support.
The troon introductory phase is often exaggerated shows of verbal support and yass queening each other until you finally go through with it and are suitably trooned out then the love and support dries up as they move on to the fresher batch of converts. Because the persistant reality of the situation does more to harm their ideology and morale than a constant parade of fresh faces and feigned affection. Every unedited tearful twitter breakdown that they can't use for their own means is ignored with gusto and every touch up surgery years down the line curiously has no takers to donate. *Refer to point 2

2)Out with the old in with the new.
And now with more than a handful of their fellow troons now kept at arm's length, isolated with no actual friends to count on- Congratulations. They have been chosen to become a talking point and a springboard without it even being an active decision or acknowledgement. It's baked into the troon cycle. They will have their social media posts screen capped and sob stories passed around as currency and pebbles to throw at the big mean ol hetero-normative system. And yet curiously- no support unless the news cycle or forced trend all but told them to start a donation drive. Every suicide is a 5 minute tragedy and gust of wind in their ideological sails before moving on to tell the next batch how great everything is and no one is ever upset or left behind in the sisterhood and they will never be without support. *Refer to point 1

3)Reality is a stain you can't let set in.
Everything must be happy and bright and welcoming forever - On the surface at least.
It is highly discouraged to tell people about possible side effects or complications of the HRT and SRS process and tacitly forbidden to talk of your OWN experiences with these if you have them.
No serious issue will ever be reflected upon to a point of reasonable solution. No one ever tries to ask for better safer drugs or methods. No one dares bring up that it might be bad optics to keep letting the minimum bar of entry slide ever younger on the age brackets. No one is allowed to suggest someone think things over before making a final decision - No one will mention the lack of self control and bad decisions unrelated to their gender status being their chief causes of their problems. No one will tell people to make gradual improvements in their life first.
And all citations of issues, errors, regrets, bad actors and individuals tied to them are obviously false or never happened if anyone else brings them up, because lord knows no one in the club is going to say a peep about it first.


The troon cycle of welcoming you aboard the drag strip cruise ship of their clubhouse before throwing you overboard to tread water on your own is a symptom of this mindset- Not an intentional process at least. Because people who stop being distracted by the bright colors and weirdly rehearsed introductions might start noticing problems and patterns, and they might start talking about them. And that reminds the others of THEIR problems they're ignoring. So they have to go.
So the only people who remain active and get to stay in the clubhouse are recruits and recruiters at the end of the day- And that's fucking terrifying.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

probably because you hang out with leftist/progressive/woke people


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[Taco Salad]

Noticed several troon-outs from my old high school lately - most notably a person I'd say was my closest friend until suddenly, totally out of the blue, she decided she wanted nothing to do with me or anyone else she'd gotten along with in the past. We haven't spoken since and she's got me blocked on most social media, but recently I stumbled upon a new account she made to show off her art, as she is quite talented when it comes to drawing, and I recognised the name and art style immediately.

She's now non binary with "she/they" pronouns, a furry, Wiccan, and draws porn despite claiming to be asexual. When I knew her she first told me she was bi (which I had no problem with), then later pansexual (still don't understand the difference) and was in fact the one who introduced me to Tumblr, where she took part in all the major fandoms of the time, so I should have seen it coming from a mile away, but it's still quite sad to see someone you deeply cared about fall victim to the gender cult. Though based on the photos she's posted she looks mostly the same as I remember, still dresses incredibly girly (but in more of an urban hippie, flower crown sense), so I don't understand why she's now NB. But from my experience most "she/they"s are socially awkward biological females who want to be special while putting in as little effort as possible, won't get hormones or surgery, but insist they're still valid! due to self identity.

This girl sounds a lot like one of my current roommates - she's nonbinary and going only by they/them, also a talented artist who even makes a little side income out of it, and while not a furry she does have some stuff around the house that suggests she might be into Wicca. She's also self-proclaimed bi, though has only been in relationships with guys to my knowledge. She mentioned that she felt she was bi just because she felt attraction to fictional female characters.
I always thought it was really odd that she identifies as a they/them NB - like your friend, she dresses very feminine, mostly wearing dresses even. In general, she just presents herself as very feminine in every way. She's into cooking, gardening, all that stuff. The only hobbies she's into that aren't outright associated with femininity are fencing and gaming (which she just got into this year). She's got a large friend group with a healthy social life, high academic achievement, and is co-captain of said fencing club. So I don't really understand her need to be a special snowflake. I know she's deep enough into the woke stuff that she flies an LGBT flag on our front window, so maybe she feels the need to push herself into being a part of that crowd rather than just being an ally/supporter, I dunno.

Meanwhile, I'll admit that I have and still dabble with the idea of identifying as NB. Though I don't give a shit about pronouns and think it's ridiculous to try and enforce others to call you by a certain set of them. But in my case, in contrast to my roommate, I've always dressed in a more masculine or neutral way outside of special occasions. In general, I have more male-oriented hobbies and interests, and my behavior/personality is more leaning-masculine or neutral. I consider myself straight, but I hate having to play the role of the female in relationships. Now, could all this be because I had a shitty, emotionally-absent mother and no decent female role models throughout my life? Possibly. I don't know if my masculine-leaning personality & demeanor is truly me, or just the pure product of circumstance. I guess that's the issue for troons, too.
I've never felt gender dysphoria, or any desire to modify my body, because I don't see a reason to. I agree with the general consensus that all that shit does is reinforce prescribed gender roles and expectations. It's what makes me question the whole NB thing, too - I'm only thinking I should be considered NB because I don't fit the stereotypes of being a girl.
For me, calling myself NB has nothing to do with wanting to be a snowflake - I couldn't care less about winning approval points from the often-misguided LGBT community - and more of the idea that NB is a "warning label" telling people not to expect me to act in ways that align with my birth sex.
As absolutely stupid as all this troon shit is, I do think it raises some fascinating questions about prescribed gender roles associated with birth sex, and all that.
It raises a perhaps disturbing question about whether any natural deviation from said sex-assigned gender roles is caused only by things such as failed parenting, as in my case.

That's a whole other rabbit hole, though. Sadly, the vast majority of troons lack the basic self-awareness to even realize those questions at all, much less think about them.