The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[snailslime]

Nah, you're being boring and lazy with the bait. You need to go way harder in on the crazy or actually develop some debate skills, tactics, copy pastas paragraphs, and general all around entertaining shit. You gave up way to fast...

Answer my question.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

let him have his perceived internet victory. please, snailslime, it's all he has.

I also have my humanity intact, don't forget that one!

Answer my question.

How about you answer his, as he asked first:

Would you like to use a different term or will you simply continue to double down with the disingenuous arguments and insults.

 

[Kiwi & Cow]

Because you can't answer them without exposing the obvious immorality of your position. Thanks for the confirmation.

That's what I was talking about when I said you were moralfagging.

Even vegans have a similar position where if you eat animals you're immoral. Are you vegan BTW?

That's an appeal to motive fallacy and totally irrelevant, instead of "deducing" where his arguments stem from or are influenced by,

Not my fault if you're unable to make a good first impression. I could also deduce that snailslime is pornsick from her comments here.

how about you contend with them directly? You can't, nothing he said was incorrect and you can only screech about a religion nobody but you and the baby killer crew keep bringing up.

Of course he isn't wrong when he says that "murder bad", but he's using a moralistic fallacy and it isn't even an objective moralistic fallacy at that.

Does the fetus count as a baby? It's not sapient like a kid is, so is it really? Hell since you too are a bible thumper, I'd like to remind you that there's nowhere in the bible where it says "and thus, god said to his children: thou shalt not kill thy unborn infant".

If you hate "moralfagging" so much then go cry at the baby killing Wokeists. That's the modern version of "moralfagging", calling someone "incel" is just their equivalent of "sinner!!" Every culture will have moral standards and enforce them, which is what they're doing.

I've been called worse lies than that, I've been called a TERF, a Furry, a Paedophile, etc. Hell, there have been people who also seriously thought I was retarded, gay and even accused me of being a Roblox player once.

Anyways as long as people don't take namecalling seriously I'm fine with it. It's really when they start to believe gross things about me that it actually starts worrying me.

Coming from you tho, it's bloody ironic you started calling people "Psychopaths" on this thread which basically amounts to the same as "sinner" or even "incel".

There's plenty of Atheists and Agnostics who are against abortion and argue identically to gang weeder.

Don't care, didn't ask, it's still a non-argument to tell people that they're the devil incarnate if they go through an abortion.

color me shocked that the only people who moan about abortion in this thread are men

Colour me shocked that the only people who support abortion are women and men who are obsessed with sex so much that they bring it up every opportunity.

Instead of practising hedonism, you should try to learn how it affects the economy negatively, but you won't because you're too stuck up to actually learn one or two important things.

https://www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/abortion-impacts-economy/2015/04/16/id/638995/

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Babies also kill mothers, children also kill mothers, teens also kill mothers, fathers also kill mothers, mothers also kill mothers. We should just kill everybody on Earth, problem solved. I'm waiting for the nuke Putin.

Would you like to use a different term or will you simply continue to double down with the disingenuous arguments and insults.

Replying for her: Yes.

It should be pretty obvious by now.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Why are you so obsessed with transing kids because that's all I hear from culture war conservaturds. You all talk about this shit more than any liberal I can even name.

Battered women shelters also talk more about intimate partner violence than violent men do. It comes with the territory that the guilty want to keep things on the down low.

 

[Gamergirl Cleanup Crew]

he's using a moralistic fallacy and it isn't even an objective moralistic fallacy at that.

Hell since you too are a bible thumper, I'd like to remind you that there's nowhere in the bible where it says "and thus, god said to his children: thou shalt not kill thy unborn infant".

I've been called a TERF, a Furry, a Paedophile, etc. Hell, there have been people who also seriously thought I was retarded, gay and even accused me of being a Roblox player once.

You're fucking with me right? That's a pretty good bit. You got me.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

nowhere in the bible it says "thou shalt not kill ".

lol

Unrelatedly, I keep wondering how many Christians do abortionists think to convince that abortion is cool by storming churches at mass, screaming like lunatics that killing a baby is good and that they should pay for it.
My guess is two.

 

[Don't Tread on Me]

How is abortion murder?

Because if you took no action at all, a life would continue on and develop. By your direct action, that life immediately ceases. That is murder.

 

[snailslime]

Because if you took no action at all, a life would continue on and develop. By your direct action, that life immediately ceases. That is murder.

cool, the point of abortion is to get rid of the fetus before it develops life.

Battered women shelters also talk more about intimate partner violence than violent men do. It comes with the territory that the guilty want to keep things on the down low.

what does this have to do with abortion?

That's what I was talking about when I said you were moralfagging.

Even vegans have a similar position where if you eat animals you're immoral. Are you vegan BTW?

Not my fault if you're unable to make a good first impression. I could also deduce that snailslime is pornsick from her comments here.

Of course he isn't wrong when he says that "murder bad", but he's using a moralistic fallacy and it isn't even an objective moralistic fallacy at that.

Does the fetus count as a baby? It's not sapient like a kid is, so is it really? Hell since you too are a bible thumper, I'd like to remind you that there's nowhere in the bible where it says "and thus, god said to his children: thou shalt not kill thy unborn infant".

I've been called worse lies than that, I've been called a TERF, a Furry, a Paedophile, etc. Hell, there have been people who also seriously thought I was retarded, gay and even accused me of being a Roblox player once.

Anyways as long as people don't take namecalling seriously I'm fine with it. It's really when they start to believe gross things about me that it actually starts worrying me.

Coming from you tho, it's bloody ironic you started calling people "Psychopaths" on this thread which basically amounts to the same as "sinner" or even "incel".

Don't care, didn't ask, it's still a non-argument to tell people that they're the devil incarnate if they go through an abortion.

Colour me shocked that the only people who support abortion are women and men who are obsessed with sex so much that they bring it up every opportunity.

Instead of practising hedonism, you should try to learn how it affects the economy negatively, but you won't because you're too stuck up to actually learn one or two important things.

https://www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/abortion-impacts-economy/2015/04/16/id/638995/

Babies also kill mothers, children also kill mothers, teens also kill mothers, fathers also kill mothers, mothers also kill mothers. We should just kill everybody on Earth, problem solved. I'm waiting for the nuke Putin.

Replying for her: Yes.

It should be pretty obvious by now.

imagine thinking that recreational sex is wrong and that abortion is murder

 

[gang weeder]

That's what I was talking about when I said you were moralfagging.

Even vegans have a similar position where if you eat animals you're immoral. Are you vegan BTW?

Is it "moralfagging" to point out to someone that their position justifies infanticide?

I am not vegan. Unlike this Michael pemulis fellow, vegans would not be able to corner me with the clear implication that my non-vegan beliefs could be used to justify infanticide.

Aren't you a moral relativist, by the way? I could be confusing you with someone else, but I feel like I've seen you say that morality is subjective.

 

[Kiwi & Cow]

imagine thinking that recreational sex is wrong

and that abortion is murder

I think you were talking to @Don't Tread on Me, but you forgot to quote him. Whoops

 

[snailslime]

I think you were talking to @Don't Tread on Me, but you forgot to quote him. Whoops

woah, it's almost like healthy consensual sex is a totally different beast than pornography.

 

[Just wandering]

This New York Times article.




You're such a disingenuous retard, but at least you know it.

https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/10.2105/AJPH.2017.304042

disabled javascript go to the link of the study.
first the study is outdated: 2008-2014
The 25% is a estimate based on the tought that every women will fall pregnant wich isn't the case
And that not the sole they deleted clinic who do barely abortion

 

[Kiwi & Cow]

Is it "moralfagging" to point out to someone that their position justifies infanticide?

Define "infanticide", a fetus isn't an infant.

I am not vegan. Unlike this Michael pemulis fellow, vegans would not be able to corner me with the clear implication that my non-vegan beliefs could be used to justify infanticide.

If lives are so important to you why do you care about fetuses while you have no issue with eating meat?

It's a dumb argument either way because neither of them are sapient.

Aren't you a moral relativist, by the way? I could be confusing you with someone else, but I feel like I've seen you say that morality is subjective.

It is subjective, that's why you're arguing that abortion is an abomination and because morals have double standards, you also aren't vegan.

Spoiler: off topic

That's one thing I really don't understand. Why are there vegan abortionists and meat eating pro-lifers.

It'd be a thing if you opposed abortion on the grounds that it has negative effects on society, but you aren't arguing any of that, instead you're relying on moralfagging and expect people to feel bad over this. You're not going to win people to your side by debating like this and certainly not people who aren't Christians and aren't thinking the same way you do.

 

[gang weeder]

If lives are so important to you why do you care about fetuses while you have no issue with eating meat?

It's a dumb argument either way because neither of them are sapient.

This is exactly the point I was making to Mr. Michael, which you seem to have either already forgotten, or maybe never understood to begin with. Infants aren't sapient either, so if that is our qualifier, killing infants is fine.

It is subjective, that's why you're arguing that abortion is an abomination and because morals have double standards, you also aren't vegan.

If it's all subjective then nothing matters and all of these discussions are pointless. You might as well just say that you're fine with infanticide. Since morality is subjective, who is to tell you otherwise?

It'd be a thing if you opposed abortion on the grounds that it has negative effects on society, but you aren't arguing any of that, instead you're relying on a moralistic fallacy and expect people to feel bad over this. You're not going to win people to your side by debating like this and certainly not people who aren't Christians and aren't thinking the same way you do.

Obviously the mass murder of unborn children has all kinds of negative effects on society. I could make a very long list of them if I wanted to. But I am not a utilitarian, nor have I observed utilitarian arguments to ever be more persuasive than moral ones. The fact of the matter is that the morality of killing innocents will always outweigh whatever "negative effects on society" you can dream up. For instance, I could posit that killing all black people in America would have positive benefits such as drastically lowering the murder rate, but we all understand the absurdity of this and that it's a non-starter.

At least, we do if we believe that morality as a concept actually exists, and isn't just made up based on whatever is convenient. If we posit that morality is subjective, maybe it's someone's subjective moral belief that blacks aren't people, after all.

 

[NoTimeToLose]

Answer my question.

this u?

 

[snailslime]

this u?
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This you?

 

[Just wandering]

Because if you took no action at all, a life would continue on and develop. By your direct action, that life immediately ceases. That is murder.

look like you never heard about 'miscariage' Unless you're like EL salvador

 

[Wormy]

Because if you took no action at all, a life would continue on and develop. By your direct action, that life immediately ceases. That is murder.

What about an ectopic pregnancy?

 

[Don't Tread on Me]

What about an ectopic pregnancy?

I have no issue terminating ectopic pregnancies. That's not murder, it's extracting a corpse.

 

[CivilianOfTheFandomWars]

My man was telling me last night his boss, who I honestly dislike for various reasons, was very cut up over the whole leaks thing because she is a classic turbo liberal. Her reasoning never went past ‘my body my choice’, but I realized that if you truly believe that a fetus is not your body, that ceases to be the case. I cannot smother my 2 month old kid and say that it was my body my choice, and the line at which it becomes OK is not defined at all. You ask 20 people and get 20 answers.
But what about the ‘stay out of my personal business’ thing the boss also likes to say because of the evil men? Well, that also doesn’t matter if you believe abortion is murder because the right of a US citizen, or any human, to life is well above your right to pretty much anything. Again I don’t get to smother my child and just say it was my business, and agin the line of when an embryo becomes a separate life is very unclear.
Just some thoughts, I guess.