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Both really but a general answer would do fine.
my mod idea would take place in a fictional universe in space even kinda like that one Star Wars mod where it's a dark comedy farce where everyone is some form of authoritarian asshole or is otherwise acting with ulterior motives and what few "good guy" paths if any would all be trap fail state options that inevitably crumple
 
Currently doing a germany playthrough and im slogging through south America rn to try and take panama, its a pain , lost a full army of armored marines in alaska so hedging all bets on south america, so for mod ideas i think some troops who don't take 8 years to move through forests would be awesome
 
Is South Africa super racist in it's writing? I mean comically bad. All I know is the random evnt to 'dab on the Rhodieboos' by killing Ian Smith for no reason like he was subhuman scum and not a real person.
Ian Smith being killed isn't the worst offense in the writing. If you don't follow TNO lore, the National Party doesn't take power in 1948 so apartheid isn't officially introduced- things like the Cape Franchise still exist for example, but for the most part the writing acts like apartheid is happening exactly the same as it did IRL. The player has two options before the Germans invade: liberalise or crackdown. Both are done poorly.

The liberalisering path legalises the ANC (in the 60's mind you) and integrates them into the armed forces, while doing 90's era policies like total equality in voting. This stops the ANC from revolting but it doesn't make sense, and imo makes the vietnam allegory the devs are doing make even less sense.

The crackdown path is just the "bad guy path" where everything goes wrong, and the ANC will revolt even if you try to suppress them. And the Boers still revolt too- which leads onto the WORST part... the Boers are FUNDING the ANC to accelerate violence in South Africa. Why???? Why would the BOERS give the blacks weapons??? Legit the worst "twist" I've ever seen.

The war isnt much better: the hippies in america for some reason oppose the war, even though theyre fighting nazis. also the writing doesnt take into account what you do as america. it'll give you events of people trying to avoid the draft, even though you haven't implemented a draft. its dogshit, and with the constant reworks that they're doing i imagine this'll be fixed- but who knows, they might fuck it up even more.
 
Ian Smith being killed isn't the worst offense in the writing. If you don't follow TNO lore, the National Party doesn't take power in 1948 so apartheid isn't officially introduced- things like the Cape Franchise still exist for example, but for the most part the writing acts like apartheid is happening exactly the same as it did IRL. The player has two options before the Germans invade: liberalise or crackdown. Both are done poorly.

The liberalisering path legalises the ANC (in the 60's mind you) and integrates them into the armed forces, while doing 90's era policies like total equality in voting. This stops the ANC from revolting but it doesn't make sense, and imo makes the vietnam allegory the devs are doing make even less sense.

The crackdown path is just the "bad guy path" where everything goes wrong, and the ANC will revolt even if you try to suppress them. And the Boers still revolt too- which leads onto the WORST part... the Boers are FUNDING the ANC to accelerate violence in South Africa. Why???? Why would the BOERS give the blacks weapons??? Legit the worst "twist" I've ever seen.

The war isnt much better: the hippies in america for some reason oppose the war, even though theyre fighting nazis. also the writing doesnt take into account what you do as america. it'll give you events of people trying to avoid the draft, even though you haven't implemented a draft. its dogshit, and with the constant reworks that they're doing i imagine this'll be fixed- but who knows, they might fuck it up even more.
Holy shit it is worst than I imagined. Glad I never wasted time playing South Africa even when it was a demo. Does it even have any post-war content yet?
 
Holy shit it is worst than I imagined. Glad I never wasted time playing South Africa even when it was a demo. Does it even have any post-war content yet?
no post war content besides the boer republic, it can either join the UP or not. thats it
 
Wow what a great mod. South Africa has had content since the demo and still isn't finished.
There's been no real new content since the Cutting Room Floor update. That was almost 2 years ago and just added Novosibirsk and the Red Army in Mongolia
 
Ian Smith being killed isn't the worst offense in the writing. If you don't follow TNO lore, the National Party doesn't take power in 1948 so apartheid isn't officially introduced- things like the Cape Franchise still exist for example, but for the most part the writing acts like apartheid is happening exactly the same as it did IRL. The player has two options before the Germans invade: liberalise or crackdown. Both are done poorly.

The liberalisering path legalises the ANC (in the 60's mind you) and integrates them into the armed forces, while doing 90's era policies like total equality in voting. This stops the ANC from revolting but it doesn't make sense, and imo makes the vietnam allegory the devs are doing make even less sense.

The crackdown path is just the "bad guy path" where everything goes wrong, and the ANC will revolt even if you try to suppress them. And the Boers still revolt too- which leads onto the WORST part... the Boers are FUNDING the ANC to accelerate violence in South Africa. Why???? Why would the BOERS give the blacks weapons??? Legit the worst "twist" I've ever seen.

The war isnt much better: the hippies in america for some reason oppose the war, even though theyre fighting nazis. also the writing doesnt take into account what you do as america. it'll give you events of people trying to avoid the draft, even though you haven't implemented a draft. its dogshit, and with the constant reworks that they're doing i imagine this'll be fixed- but who knows, they might fuck it up even more.
This is something you realize very quickly with alt-history "writers", and even good ones like Turtledove, instead of making their own world with its own history, they quickly bog themselves down trying to take real history and shoe-horn it in, even if it doesn't make sense. I guess it's either inability to imagine or, more realistically, trying to make their own godawful political opinions and fantasies a reality.

We now have two large and popular HOI4 mods with shitty, atrocious Vietnam allegories, Kaiserreich with Germany somehow taking Vietnam and France's East Asia colonies even though it makes no sense whatsoever, and TNO with its retarded South Africa war thats beyond improbable and not well thought out.
 
This is something you realize very quickly with alt-history "writers", and even good ones like Turtledove, instead of making their own world with its own history, they quickly bog themselves down trying to take real history and shoe-horn it in, even if it doesn't make sense. I guess it's either inability to imagine or, more realistically, trying to make their own godawful political opinions and fantasies a reality.

We now have two large and popular HOI4 mods with shitty, atrocious Vietnam allegories, Kaiserreich with Germany somehow taking Vietnam and France's East Asia colonies even though it makes no sense whatsoever, and TNO with its retarded South Africa war thats beyond improbable and not well thought out.
i like the idea of the South African War imo- but it needs to be able to stand alone as its own conflict. other lore though has to go. iran still having a coup in the 50's is uninspired and socialism should be much less influential globally. the subideologies they recently added have an absurd amount of leftist movements, while liberalism has like three. at that point they should be making a mod about all the leftist movements that have ever existed rather than an axis victory one
 
which leads onto the WORST part... the Boers are FUNDING the ANC to accelerate violence in South Africa. Why???? Why would the BOERS give the blacks weapons???
I can tell you exactly why this happened, because that's Current Year accelerationist logic. Which is fairly common in this day and age because most of the people who feel that way are spending time on the internet, where they can say and encourage shit like that without putting themselves directly in harm's way.

Obviously in a world where you have a high chance of getting shot because you armed the wrong group, especially if they're your god damned next door neighbors both figuratively and literally, almost nobody would dare do something that stupid no matter how much they fucking hated niggers/the gubmint.

This mod is becoming a parody of how Zoomers are terminally online and can't even conceive of how to do anything offline.
 
We now have two large and popular HOI4 mods with shitty, atrocious Vietnam allegories, Kaiserreich with Germany somehow taking Vietnam and France's East Asia colonies even though it makes no sense whatsoever, and TNO with its retarded South Africa war thats beyond improbable and not well thought out.

German East Asia in KR makes sense because it makes no sense. It's retarded "Place in the Sun" colonialism, which is one of the favorite past times of Imperial Germany.

TNO is just fucking retarded.
 
There's been no real new content since the Cutting Room Floor update. That was almost 2 years ago and just added Novosibirsk and the Red Army in Mongolia
CRF was supposed to be what was in the first release, Toolbox Theory was supposed to be what was in the first release. Now they are making TT3 for some awful reason. I feel like this is gonna be how TNO dies: Reworking the same update (Toolbox Theory) into the ground over and over again. I think Penelope's Web (Mediterranean Update) was supposed to come out first? But again, most of the updates have been delayed into the next year as always. TNO itself suffered through this syndrome before release, flowing from one year to the next as things got reworked over and over again. I don't know if they can really break it without the central leadership of someone like Panzer.
 
The war isnt much better: the hippies in america for some reason oppose the war, even though theyre fighting nazis. also the writing doesnt take into account what you do as america. it'll give you events of people trying to avoid the draft, even though you haven't implemented a draft. its dogshit, and with the constant reworks that they're doing i imagine this'll be fixed- but who knows, they might fuck it up even more.
Why would 1960s hippie American liberals be against America stopping a Nazi invasion of South Africa? This is not the same as a movement spurn from the American media reporting every American casualty and atrocity while treating North Veitnamese back guerillas as a faceless enemy and anger over the draft. You just can't put parts of the real life cold war and put them in a different context. Then have them act them the same and act like it somehow makes sense.
 
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Why would 1960s hippie American liberals be against America stopping a Nazi invasion of South Africa? This is not the same as a movement spurn from the American media reporting every American casualty and atrocity while treating North Veitnamese back guerillas as a faceless enemy and anger over the draft. You just can't put parts of the real life cold war and put them in a different context. Then have them act them the same and act like it somehow makes sense.
Maybe they're the south park hippies who just want an excuse to smoke weed and smell bad?
 
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CRF was supposed to be what was in the first release, Toolbox Theory was supposed to be what was in the first release. Now they are making TT3 for some awful reason. I feel like this is gonna be how TNO dies: Reworking the same update (Toolbox Theory) into the ground over and over again. I think Penelope's Web (Mediterranean Update) was supposed to come out first? But again, most of the updates have been delayed into the next year as always. TNO itself suffered through this syndrome before release, flowing from one year to the next as things got reworked over and over again. I don't know if they can really break it without the central leadership of someone like Panzer.
they're basically in a rework death spiral since all the big updates are also some sort of rework on a major aspect
Maybe they're the south park hippies who just want an excuse to smoke weed and smell bad?
that's always been what hippies were really about
 
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Every focused-on nation having a viable "win condition" for every political path available to them, where they can succeed in whatever their national goal is if the player is skilled enough to pull it off. Even if it's difficult to do, it should be possible within the bounds of the game. It's lame to have dev-forced losses like in TNO where Germany's economy collapses and you get insane negative modifiers no matter how well you run it.
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Basically my view as well. There should be different aesthetics/effects depending on the path but no unavoidable failstates. If there are any failstates it should be because of player choice/failure.

I don’t mind some paths being more difficult than others but there should be a victory scenario either way.

Also please no good/bad endings. Moralizing over a map game mod is fucking gay. We already have enough political masturbation in this scene as is.
 
devs are making their own fucking fanfics at this point... UPDATE THE MOD FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. A DEMO, A HOTFIX, SOMETHING.
HE PUT AN ARCHIVE OF OUR OWN IN THE LINK BELOW
OH NO NO NO TNOBROS
 
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